Breakdown on Romo contract - really 4 for 65.5

[Floatyworm]

Each time you restructure you increase the dead money that will be due when the player is off the team, provided they don't play out the entire contract. This in addition to raising the cap price for each of the following years. They'd be better off to just have him play it out.

Can you imagine a 40 year old Romo playing behind this line?????

 

[Floatyworm]

You show absolutely no understanding of the mechanics of the cap. The Joneses have been manipulating it for years. It's all about setting up the contracts right so there's a balance in dropping players off the cap (and absorbing the dead money) and adding players or extending contracts.

One day my hope is that people around here will understand that. Clearly, today is not that day.

I think I have clearly demonstrated Jerry Jones has no concept of evaluating talent and paying for it accordingly.

Only time will tell if your a moron or you have knowledge beyond your years.

 

[gimmesix]

... You do realize that we had plenty of cap room last year, right? We signed 1 big FA deal and a couple mid-level ones... And carried like 5M over... All with a 5M penalty???


????

Any time Dallas has absolutely wanted to make a move it made a move.

A couple of years ago, we were supposed to have no cap space and Dallas was suddenly about to sign Nnamdi Asomugha to a big deal (glad that didn't work out).

Last year, as you stated, we added a high-priced corner and several other free agents.

Dallas has not been in cap hell since the earliest parts of free agency. It has been manipulating the cap ever since, working and reworking contracts to absorb dead money and open up space when it wants to.

The example this year is how it went about opening up space. It restructured contracts to absorb the penalty hit and get under the cap. Then it restructured deals to tag Spencer, re-sign Ladouceur and Sims. Then when it decided to add a couple of FAs, it made more moves to sign Durant and Allen on the cheap.

Now, I don't know if the Cowboys pressed forward with the Romo deal because it has its eyes on other FA or just because that's how it worked out, but now Dallas is $5 million out of "cap hell" and might not even spend it. (That's not counting the $2 million they get in June for cutting Spears.)

 

[supercowboy8]

with only 55 million guaranteed and a 25 million signing bonus, we have 30 million left in guaranteed

2013: $1.5 million
2014: $13.5 million
2015: $17 million

32 million so all the guarntees are paid in the first three years, cutting Romo after 2015 will be around a 10 million cap hit saving 5 million so he probably stays the 2016 year and he released after 2016

 

[gimmesix]

I think I have clearly demonstrated Jerry Jones has no concept of evaluating talent and paying for it accordingly.

Only time will tell if your a moron or you have knowledge beyond your years.

I know that it's you're not your, so I guess that's your first clue.

 

[Echo9]

Any time Dallas has absolutely wanted to make a move it made a move.

A couple of years ago, we were supposed to have no cap space and Dallas was suddenly about to sign Nnamdi Asomugha to a big deal (glad that didn't work out).

Last year, as you stated, we added a high-priced corner and several other free agents.

Dallas has not been in cap hell since the earliest parts of free agency. It has been manipulating the cap ever since, working and reworking contracts to absorb dead money and open up space when it wants to.

The example this year is how it went about opening up space. It restructured contracts to absorb the penalty hit and get under the cap. Then it restructured deals to tag Spencer, re-sign Ladouceur and Sims. Then when it decided to add a couple of FAs, it made more moves to sign Durant and Allen on the cheap.

Now, I don't know if the Cowboys pressed forward with the Romo deal because it has its eyes on other FA or just because that's how it worked out, but now Dallas is $5 million out of "cap hell" and might not even spend it. (That's not counting the $2 million they get in June for cutting Spears.)

You're fighting a losing battle, albeit a valiant one. You make some very good arguments. Maybe you'll get through to some folks, but don't count on it. If someone is dead set on thinking something, facts don't change their minds.

 

[EPL0c0]

Romo on contract.........http://t.co/xPZj2y9Dpk

How about that chromed-out Cowboys helmet on the table? Something like that w/ a shiny blue star would look pretty cool

 

[DeaconBlues]

This is literally the most inaccurate and illogical post I've ever encountered on this board.

You haven't met Floaty???

 

[T-RO]

I get so tired of people believing the Joneses are idiots when it comes to the cap. Manipulating the cap, and setting themselves up for future manipulations, is one of the things they've shown themselves to be good at.

Let's just forget the dust bowl Jerry created the last time he did this, right?

 

[gimmesix]

Let's just forget the dust bowl Jerry created the last time he did this, right?

When are you talking about? Are you talking about the years after it signed players like Deion Sanders?

If so, then that's when Dallas didn't have a handle on the cap. The Cowboys as much as admitted it and since then have worked contracts in such a way as to keep it from happening again. They actually said there were mistakes and learned from it.

Those mistakes stemmed from Dallas' success in the early 1990s. When the salary cap came about, the Cowboys were trying to hold on to their expensive (at the time) core group while adding a few high-priced pieces for one more shot at glory.

As I said, they've become good at manipulating the cap since then.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

But your are not able to post arguments against it ?

Derrrrrrr....how was that argument.

Let's just forget the dust bowl Jerry created the last time he did this, right?

You'd apparently rather he sit on his hands under his wallet, because many Owners do just that.

The Salary Cap truly doesn't exist in Big D. :laugh2:


Dallas refused to sit idle with Nagy, Costa, Free, Kowaloski and Arkin even applauded that they signed Berny plus Livings.

Yes so far it's been a "No Go" and a big huge BUST all over the OL save, Tyron Smith, the concept just didn't work out like it did for the G-Men or for the 91' Dallas Cowboys.

This Offseason or Draft has yet to play out...one should choose to let the Front Office have that rope to hang themselves, even though they have been flailing for 17 years and counting.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matts4313

Here’s the breakdown of Romo’s contract, not including the $25 million signing bonus:

2013: $1.5 million base salary, $11.818 million cap figure
2014: $13.5 million base salary, $21.773 million cap figure
2015: $17 million base salary, $25.273 million cap figure
2016: $8.5 million base salary, $15.135 million cap figure
2017: $14 million base salary, $19 million cap figure
2018: $19.5 million base salary, cap figure
2019: $20.5 million base salary, cap figure

With the high cap figures in 2014-15, the Cowboys can lower Romo’s base salaries to the league minimum and turn the difference into signing bonus. Such a move in 2014 could save the Cowboys $10 million in cap space but add $2.5 million to the cap figures in each of the remaining years.

[View Full Quote] In the first three years of the deal, Romo will make $57 million for a $19 million average. In the first four years of the deal, he will make $65.5 for a $16.38 average.

Without seeing the specific language, Romo was able to do well in the first three years and the team was able to do well over the first four years. Both sides would call that a win-win deal.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowbo...romos-contract


The last few years are fluff. When we get to 2016, he will have 5M left in bonus money and will be 37 years old. Much better contract when you actually know the details.

This is not a god contract for us and i don't like it.

- I doubt Romo will play with 37 at a level he played 2 years ago.
- This deal is set up to be restructered next year. We will push $10mill at min. to SB. The following years looks the same. So even if we cut him in 2016 we will have to eat alot more then $5mills. Make that between $10 and $17.5mills and you are close.
- What will we do if he delines in two years ?

Really bad contract for us. No point where we are able to pull the rip cord. I have to admit i never really liked Romo as a player (way too funny and not serious enough about his job). But i was ok with his play for the most part of his career.

Romo never was a great QB in my eyes but i thought of him as a team player and a good human beeing. I guess i have no more arguments for that kind of view anymore. With the way the whole contract negotiations went and when i have to look at the contract details i have to admit this guy did everything to get rid of my sympathy for him.

But thats what happens when you don't mangage your cap well. You make yourself so dependent that you are at the mercy of your players. And that's never good.

You can't be serious can you because if you are give us all some stock tips and next years Super Bowl winner. Your entire post was written as if Romo retired five years ago.

I do agree he could been more serious when he was younger but if I was him now aI would want to stick it to a whole lot of people. Lets get hIm a line and let it play out.

 

[Picksix]

Can you imagine a 40 year old Romo playing behind this line?????

That'll be eight years from now. The only person still playing on the OL by that time will be Smith. Doubtful even Romo will still be playing.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Can you imagine a 40 year old Romo playing behind this line?????

Yep, we are going to have the same OL in 7 years from now, even though not one is signed to that length of a contract.

 

[Hoofbite]

Lower his base salaries for 14 and 15 makes the deal longer than 4 years unless the team wants to carry a bunch of dead money after those 4 years.

 

[gimmesix]

Lower his base salaries for 14 and 15 makes the deal longer than 4 years unless the team wants to carry a bunch of dead money after those 4 years.

It increases the bonus cap hit for each year, then will either be redone after four years or Romo will be cut/retire and the cap hit will be absorbed by other restructured deals.

It's a cycle of restructures.

 

[Hoofbite]

It increases the bonus cap hit for each year, then will either be redone after four years or Romo will be cut/retire and the cap hit will be absorbed by other restructured deals.

It's a cycle of restructures.

Yeah, but reduce 14 and 15 and we're talking about a cap hit probably above $15M to cut him or have him retired.

 

[gimmesix]

Yeah, but reduce 14 and 15 and we're talking about a cap hit probably above $15M to cut him or have him retired.

It's possible. Considering the price of the position, he'll probably be designated a June 1 cut to split the cost, then we'll restructure a player like Tyron Smith to turn a $12 million base (or something like that) into bonus the first year and Dez Bryant the next, or something like that.

What will make it easier is we'll either draft that year or have drafted a quarterback who will cost hardly anything capwise during those years, if Dallas does it right.

Where it will get more difficult is if Dallas doesn't find a replacement in the draft during Romo's final year or so. Then it will take more creative restructuring to pay for a FA quarterback and Romo.

This contract is clearly set up to restructure 2014 and 2015 for the cap next year, and others' contracts will be set up to be restructured to help when it's time to release Romo.

 

[fortdick]

OMG

You have got to be kidding me

I take it you think Jerry learned his lesson from the early 2000's???

Let's just say....People are gonna wish for 5-11 seasons of hope after this is over.

I expect the year 2020 to see the light of day after this year.

Hopefully Jerry will be gone and the new ownership will reign.

You show absolutely no understanding of the mechanics of the cap. The Joneses have been manipulating it for years. It's all about setting up the contracts right so there's a balance in dropping players off the cap (and absorbing the dead money) and adding players or extending contracts.

One day my hope is that people around here will understand that. Clearly, today is not that day.

Gimme, do you mean to tell me that you understood that gibberish? The post made no sense! I am still trying to figure out why I will be wishing for 5-11 seasons.

 

[DIAF]

Lower his base salaries for 14 and 15 makes the deal longer than 4 years unless the team wants to carry a bunch of dead money after those 4 years.

This post right here. It's amazing people think that simply restructuring all that money to signing bonus, that it just magically goes away. It still has to be paid.