Breaking down Coaching options

[tico]

The key is who the HC will bring in as DC. My choice is going with a young with McDaniels and bringing in Wade Phillips or Teryl Austin as the DC. The defense needs fixed,

McDaniels and Wade Phillips or Teryl Austin.... getter done Jerry.

I truly would want Harbaugh if I got my way. He built a SB team from nothing, and got fired unfairly. I believe he can develop Dak into the next level. He coaches like Jimmy Johnson. I know he has unfinished business in the NFL. JJ needs to pay and let him due his magic

 

[quickccc]

I’m interested in what McCarthy has learned in his year off but his choice of DC would be key. His defenses in GB were pretty much the only ones in the league worse than Dallas 2011-15

-thats' my leading concern with Mccarthy - hes' a one track pony that keeps his focus on offense only and he stayed with an awful out dated DC (dom capers) for way too long.
if you can convince a McCarthy to hire on marvin Lewis as the DC, then maybe that concern can work itself out with a experienced,
past successful DC.

--the others about M&M?
i heard that he's been scrutinized for being old schooler that never evolves in expanding his offense repeiotre - he stays with the same book and works it
like novocaine - keep at it until it eventually sets in and works. - And weve seen how that worked with Scott Linehan.

-also he ran a pass offense - but do we know how much will he emphasize zeke and the run game ?

 

[aikemirv]

Before we start lemme say these are largely subjective.
Everyone's stomach for various faults or preferences for certain characteristics will be slightly different.
That doesn't mean we can't agree on some basic truths tho so let's get rolling.

The Departed:
Ron Rivera -- Rivera is a tad overrated. He only had 3 seasons out of 9 where he finished at .500 or better, umm that's kinda terrible. He did have some real highs int here like the 15-1 season. But in the 4 season's since then 6,11,7,5(through 13 weeks when fired).
That's simply not very good results but he does know defense and he does bring in a team toughness.
Paired with a great offensive mind good things could happen.

Jason Garrett -- Redball had 10 seasons and only finished below .500 ONE TIME! That's actually very impressive. But there are some "issues". Lack of playoff success is ultimately the key one but he also was simply pretty bad as the offensive mind except where Romo really called the game via audible. As a walk-around CEO type in Dallas you are really managed by a "Board". In short, walk-around CEO types are not ideal in Dallas. JG will land somewhere but it better not be as head coach in Dallas. I'm honestly not sure why he would want that thankless job anyway. Its no win for him.

The Known interviews:
Marvin Lewis -- Lewis is 60 and has been around forever. He has a .500ish record for his career but an 0-7 playoff record. Coaching that long and not getting a single playoff win is really hard to do. Hiring him would result in your stadium being burned in most NFL cities. BUT he does have some elite defensive ties. He came up as the LB coach in Pittsburgh than the DC for the Elite Ravens defense. If Lewis was coming in to be the DC and you could place a Sean Lee under him as LB coach and DC in waiting that is a very Cowboys type move. And no one burns the stadium down. Not much to say here except this was either meet the Rooney Rule, drive the fanbase further crazy for fun, or to discuss defensive openings.

Mike McCarthy --- MM has to be called Eninem if he gets hired here right? He's by far the most decorated coaching candidate having went to 4 NFC Champ Games and winning 1 Lombardi trophy. Now any Packers fan will gladly rattle off how glad they were he's gone. But I dare say they are more than a bit spoiled having been the best NFC team during the period MM coached them.
All that said there's always warts. No one this battle-tested has come though without some.
McCarthy is an "old-head". He had a 13 year run in GB. He is going to be tied to offense from the 90s because we move on quickly. He was under .,500 his final two seasons in GB. Aaron Rodgers hated him at the end.
All that said, AR hates everyone including his own family. His dip in play hasn't vanished with a new hire they've simply relied on him far less.
He did have a year off which I like. It refreshes people and lets them clear their heads. He took some of that time to seriously study analytics. He learned about the data that is collected and became a BIG FAN. He has a full on required data department anywhere he goes.

The Hopefuls:
Wink Martindale -- Wink is the DC for the Baltimore Ravens who appear poised for a long playoff run. His defense has been excellent. Issues? Galore for me.
Wink has been a DC only 2 seasons. Any DC would look pretty good with Baltimore running the ball and controlling the clock at the rate they have this year. I'm a fan of a possible defensive coach hire but this bird needs some more seasoning imho.

Greg Roman -- Staying in Baltimore the offensive there is a thing of beauty. Lamar is picking people apart with legs and arm to the tune of NFL MVP status. Easy to love what Roman has done. But he's been the OC only 1 season. And he has a pretty sad run in NY with the Jets. He does have some skins however and was solid with Kaep in San Fran a decade ago. Roman will get a shot somewhere but I'm not a huge fan of one year mega leaps.

Josh McDaniels -- Josh is a very bright offensive mind. He's been able to appease a demanding Belichek for a long time. He's won lots of Lombardi's in Boston. All that said he comes with warts as well. He was pretty bad in Denver as a Head Coach and then backed out on the Indy job which cost us our DC.... He's also a pretty surly guy who learned his media approach from BB.

The Longshots:
Calling all college coaches longshots as we've been told they aren't on the immediate radar.

Urban Meyer -- My gut says Urban chatter is all driven by his agent. He is a big name but has no real NFL ties and a tarnished compliance rep w the NCAA. But he is a big-time winner. He's won at every stop and does so quickly. If you want a cut throat nothing matters but winning guy he's a good option. You simply have to put up with any NCAA to NFL learning curve.

Lincoln Riley -- Lincoln I know well enough from afar. He was a Red Raider walk on and is an Air Raid protege of Mike Leach. He's likable and very hard working. He's had OU atop the Big 12 for his entire tenure on that campus both as OC then as HC. Warts are relative youth and how heavily OU has relied on it's offense to win games. Something you really can't do in the NFL. Right now he feels like an Andy Reid ceiling type guy. Really good but never great.

Matt Rhule -- Matt would actually my choice of college hires. He was a Penn St Linebacker that has grown into an offensive coach. He has brief NFL experience has been a program maker. He elevates all areas of the programs he takes over O, D and ST. I suspect he is hired very shortly but not in Dallas.

My gut has said for a while now(before we knew he'd be interviewed) that Mike McCarthy would be the choice. He's got the skins on the wall Jerry respects and he has a properly crafted interview speech with slideshows about how he'd innovate and use data. But again those warts that Green bay fans see aren't lost on Jerry and Stephen. I'm just not sure the Jones' can have such a high bar as to take all that success for granted.

Nice work!

 

[Blast From The Past]

Nice write up.
Thing is there are no perfect candidates available

And no crystal ball available to see how each would fair. It's all a crap-shoot really

 

[Seven]

But I thought Urban Meyer wanted to be home with his family..had heart problems.. had migraines?

It's a Christmas miracle!!

He and Kubiak we could dub the Green Mile........

 

[Oneiros]

The Hopefuls:
Wink Martindale -- Wink is the DC for the Baltimore Ravens who appear poised for a long playoff run. His defense has been excellent. Issues? Galore for me.
Wink has been a DC only 2 seasons. Any DC would look pretty good with Baltimore running the ball and controlling the clock at the rate they have this year. I'm a fan of a possible defensive coach hire but this bird needs some more seasoning imho.

Greg Roman -- Staying in Baltimore the offensive there is a thing of beauty. Lamar is picking people apart with legs and arm to the tune of NFL MVP status. Easy to love what Roman has done. But he's been the OC only 1 season. And he has a pretty sad run in NY with the Jets. He does have some skins however and was solid with Kaep in San Fran a decade ago. Roman will get a shot somewhere but I'm not a huge fan of one year mega leaps.

Either of these two candidates would be my top choice if I had a say.

My preference of the two would be Martindale as he's always fielded a darn good defense and I prefer a defensive minded HC this time around.

Plus, I was intrigued by who he was rumored to want as his choice of OC in Joe Brady. Sadly after the recent leak that it looks like our next HC isn't going to get a say in the offensive staff I see him possibly slipping away to the Giants.

Roman would be an interesting choice given his success in SF and now the job he's been doing with Lamar. If we're to continue riding the Dak train going forward then maybe he might be able to bring that success here as well and turn Dak back into more of a dual threat again who doesn't simply rely on his arm which remains inconsistent.

However, my gut feeling is starting to leave me to believe that it's going to be Mike McCarthy who I'm torn on. I know there's been a lot of debate on whether or not he's a good coach, and much debate on him only having the record that he does due to Rodgers. To be fair, the same could be said about Payton who has had the benefit of Brees.

If we ultimately go in that direction I'm hoping that a year away helped to re-energize him and that he's actually learned from the analytics study that he seems to be learning from.

My concern here is what will happen if he has no control over his staff. Hopefully, at the very least, he'll get a say on who he wants running the defense as it needs an overhaul.

 

[jterrell]

of course we’ll throw in those 5 crap wins from 2010 that meant absolutely nothing and those week 17 games where no one gives a flying crap about it but him. That records a facade. Case in point. 2019. Needed the win in Philly against their practice squad? Nope beat up on the Commanders after the fact. typical Jason Garrett right there. Tacking on a win% that ultimately leads no where at all but a worse draft pick. Guys a clown and people still defend him with this garbage? lol

Don't be a total dolt. Every coach has meaningless week 17 games that factor in their records.
As Bill Parcells once said, "you are what your record says you are".

If you gotta lie to yourself about Garrett maybe the issue is with you.

JG has plenty of obvious shortcomings without lying.

 

[TheHerd]

He only had 5 winning seasons in 10 years and that includes the partial season when he took over for Wade.

Otherwise you could say he had 4 winning seasons out of 9 in which he was the HC for a full season. Not impressive.

Or you could say he finished 8-8 as often as he finished with a winning record. Not good any way you slice it.

 

[jterrell]

Either of these two candidates would be my top choice if I had a say.

My preference of the two would be Martindale as he's always fielded a darn good defense and I prefer a defensive minded HC this time around.

Plus, I was intrigued by who he was rumored to want as his choice of OC in Joe Brady. Sadly after the recent leak that it looks like our next HC isn't going to get a say in the offensive staff I see him possibly slipping away to the Giants.

Roman would be an interesting choice given his success in SF and now the job he's been doing with Lamar. If we're to continue riding the Dak train going forward then maybe he might be able to bring that success here as well and turn Dak back into more of a dual threat again who doesn't simply rely on his arm which remains inconsistent.

However, my gut feeling is starting to leave me to believe that it's going to be Mike McCarthy who I'm torn on. I know there's been a lot of debate on whether or not he's a good coach, and much debate on him only having the record that he does due to Rodgers. To be fair, the same could be said about Payton who has had the benefit of Brees.

If we ultimately go in that direction I'm hoping that a year away helped to re-energize him and that he's actually learned from the analytics study that he seems to be learning from.

My concern here is what will happen if he has no control over his staff. Hopefully, at the very least, he'll get a say on who he wants running the defense as it needs an overhaul.

I think this will be the popular take across fanhood among NFL guys.
Baltimore has created magic this year.

But there are things I really dislike about going w either BALT guy.
With Wink it is brevity of service. He's been a DC for only 2 years.
We have zero record of him over time or at higher level of coaching.

John is a really good head coach who often elevates others under him.

Roman has a history of good performances with mobile QBs. But he did have a pretty bad NY Jets stint as well.
I think a lot of OCs would look good with Lamar Jackson right now.
He's as or more elusive than any RB in football and gives you at least replacement level passing to boot.
That's an awful fun toolset to deploy.
But QBs can't repeatedly get hit or they wear down like RBs do.
We won't deploy Dak as some 1000 yard rusher.
If we did his career arc would probably look much like Cam Newtons.
Dak is more a Ben R type guy minus bathroom stall hook ups with young girls.

So I'm not out of those dudes personally but I don;t see enough to say OK cool I'll wait on them to be finish their season.

 

[jterrell]

Or you could say he finished 8-8 as often as he finished with a winning record. Not good any way you slice it.

That's not bad.
8-8 is average.
He had 4 average seasons, 4 above average seasons and 1 BAD season. He won 3 division titles in his final 6 years.

He was an average to above average NFL head coach.

That is far better than most and should be acknowledged.
But he wasn't elite or special and that is what the team is shooting for.
This is a ready-made contender provided they fix Special Teams.

 

[jterrell]

Nice work!

ty sir. I had a lot of free time with the cowboys not playing

 

[LocimusPrime]

McCarthy got the job. Close thread