Breaking Down the NFC East

[the kid 05]

I think you're nutso if you'd take Eli over Tony.

Yeah, there's the Super Bowl thing, but that doesn't make Brad Johnson better than Tony.

Hostile didn't state he would take Eli over Romo, its seemed to me from this list he was putting them in order through the division, which it all seems accurate to me. Eli won them the super bowl and won the SB MVP, Romo has won the couch MVP, untell other wise you can't argue other wise

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Link?
Who wrote this Peter King? What an idiot





JK

 

[DallasDomination]

Plaxico over Owens?

Eli over ROMO?

Besides that good list.

 

[Sarge]

Eli over Romo? You're not well.

 

[Little Jr]

I couldnt take Plax and Toomer over TO and Crayton. Toomer and Craytons #'s are similar. Toomer has 9 more rec. and 63 more yards but Crayton ypr is slightly more and he had 4 more TD's. I would think most would take TO over Plax. There #'s combine are better and that's with them having a TE with 90+ rec. I have no problem upgrading the 2nd WR spot but it isnt really that bad. Im really not a stat guy so even if I ignore the stats I still cant see anyone taking Plax and Toomer over TO and Crayton.

I would take Romo over Eli every day but I do understand the SB thing. I still cant believe he has a ring and a mvp.

 

[starfrombirth]

Exactly! Tony does have to learn how to win. But at the same time, the team has to learn how to win together! Offensively and defensively!

Eli had his defense do most of the walking. Eli did have clutch throws, but you can't say that Romo couldn't have made the same type of throws had the team as a whole put him in the same position that the Giants put Eli in.

Just wait till this coming season!

The only problem I have with this is that Tony hit at least 2 throw in that playoff game that should have been caught and win the game, but they weren't. And after the half he was running for his life on almost every stop. I don't hold this against Tony at all. Fasano, Crayton, and the Oline I fault but not Tony.

 

[dooomsday]

The only problem I have with this is that Tony hit at least 2 throw in that playoff game that should have been caught and win the game, but they weren't. And after the half he was running for his life on almost every stop. I don't hold this against Tony at all. Fasano, Crayton, and the Oline I fault but not Tony.

We got "lucky" vs. Buf. and Det. during the season winning on final drives. But both year play off years we failed on the last drive. Shame the 2 that didnt count are the ones we pulled out. I think its best we avoid that situation. No one scores in that situation every time. And vs. a D like the Gints in a pressure filled game the % go down.

Tony made his share of errors. Still could have won. But on closer look there were other plays as well on which we could have scored and he made mistakes too.

 

[lspain1]

Romo is the best quarterback in the division. Eli played well in the playoffs last year, but it is no coincidence that it happened to coincide with great defensive play.

I also think Romo is better, but Eli stopped making mistakes late last season and that was NOT due to the defense getting better. We'll see what happens this year but IMO Eli's play is what makes the Giants the biggest threat to the Cowboys in the NFC East.

 

[Hostile]

Plaxico over Owens?

Eli over ROMO?

Besides that good list.

I didn't say Plaxico is over Owens. I said the Giants tandem is better because we have questions marks at #2. If that were settled without a doubt I would switch that order. If I were going 11 positions against 11 positions this list would look different.

I like Romo tons better than Eli. I'm just giving the man credit. Sorry that chaps so many rear ends.

 

[Givincer]

I didn't say Plaxico is over Owens. I said the Giants tandem is better because we have questions marks at #2. If that were settled without a doubt I would switch that order. If I were going 11 positions against 11 positions this list would look different.

I don't think Toomer is better than Crayton at this point. Certainly, even if he was, the difference isn't big enough to account for ranking the Burress/Toomer tandem over the Owens/Crayton tandem. I don't think anyway. They had a very similar year last year. Toomer had 9 more catches, and Crayton had 4 more touchdowns. So, if Toomer and Crayton are essentially a wash, and Owens is better than Burress, then Owens/Crayton > Burress/Toomer.

I like Romo tons better than Eli. I'm just giving the man credit. Sorry that chaps so many rear ends.

You don't have to vastly overrate him to give him credit for being on a team that won a superbowl.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

very good read....thanks

 

[Little Jr]

I didn't say Plaxico is over Owens. I said the Giants tandem is better because we have questions marks at #2. If that were settled without a doubt I would switch that order. If I were going 11 positions against 11 positions this list would look different.

I like Romo tons better than Eli. I'm just giving the man credit. Sorry that chaps so many rear ends.

I really dont see the question mark at 2. Like I said I would love to upgrade the postion with RW, CJ or AB but I dont see a big question mark at 2. It's Craytons job and his #'s favor very well to Toomers. Are #2 is no more in question than the Giants.


I hate giving Eli credit but he does have the ring and SB mvp.

 

[dooomsday]

I really dont see the question mark at 2. Like I said I would love to upgrade the postion with RW, CJ or AB but I dont see a big question mark at 2. It's Craytons job and his #'s favor very well to Toomers. Are #2 is no more in question than the Giants.


I hate giving Eli credit but he does have the ring and SB mvp.

Toomer plays in a power/running O so I am not sure the numbers are comparable other than on paper. Toomer makes big catch after big catch. He's a 5 time 1,000 yard WR. Pat will be lucky to have Toomers career.

 

[WilmingtonHeel]

There is ONLY one receiver in TO's league and we all know who that is. The difference is bigger between TO and Plax(Who is good) than Amani and Pat

 

[Little Jr]

Toomer plays in a power/running O so I am not sure the numbers are comparable other than on paper. Toomer makes big catch after big catch.

Crayton plays in a system with a TE that had 90+ rec. Toomer plays in a O that had more passing attempts per game than Craytons O. Might be hard to believe but its true. Again I'm not big stat guy but I wouldnt take Plax and Toomer over Owens and Crayton on paper or on the field.

He's a 5 time 1,000 yard WR. Pat will be lucky to have Toomers career.

Yes he WAS. He was also a go to guy at one time but he is not now. He he is a # 2. If we're going by career stats then I would look at it different. But we're not. Your right, Crayton will be luck to have Toomers career but Crayton will never be the #1 guy like Toomer was at one point in his career. As of right now they are both # 2's with very similar #'s.

 

[Little Jr]

There is ONLY one receiver in TO's league and we all know who that is. The difference is bigger between TO and Plax(Who is good) than Amani and Pat

Exactly. Toomer and Crayton is a wash. That leaves TO and Plax. I would think most would choose TO.

 

[dooomsday]

Crayton plays in a system with a TE that had 90+ rec. Toomer plays in a O that had more passing attempts per game than Craytons O. Might be hard to believe but its true. Again on a paper/stat guy. I wouldnt take Plax and Toomer over Owens and Crayton on paper or on the field.

He's a 5 time 1,000 yard WR. Pat will be lucky to have Toomers career.

Yes he WAS. He was also a go to guy at one time but he is not now. He he is a # 2. If we're going by career stats then I would look at it different. But we're not. Your right, Crayton will be luck to have Toomers career but Crayton will never be the #1 guy like Toomer was at one point in his career. As of right now they are both # 2's with very similar #'s.

Well you took it right back to stats and I will say again, you cannot compare them. The 2 QBs were a 1,000 yards apart in passing yards. Ours is better and more prolific. Eli didnt show up until the post season.

Until Shockey went down he was one of Eli's primary targets & well and was on pace for another big year. So they are not dissimilar in the use of TE either. Wits numbers went up when Glenn went down. If not we'd have still had 2 1,000 yard WRs I bet.

When you get past stats there is no comparison. Toomer is a far superior player. I dont know why you say WAS? Toomer was better last year. With another 280 and 3 TDs, 2 vs. us on the road in the post season.

 

[Zaxor]

I didn't say Plaxico is over Owens. I said the Giants tandem is better because we have questions marks at #2. If that were settled without a doubt I would switch that order. If I were going 11 positions against 11 positions this list would look different.

I like Romo tons better than Eli. I'm just giving the man credit. Sorry that chaps so many rear ends.

Crayton

50 Rec for 697 yards 13.9 average and 7 TD's

Toomer

59 Rec for 760 yards 12.9 average and 3 TD's


Owens > Burress and with what Witten did... I would take Crayton over Toomer without remorse or regret



Romo/Manning


36 TD / 23 19 INT's / 20 4,211 Yards / 3,336 97.4 rating / 73.9

these two QB's are not even in the same neighborhood...it certainly wasn't the NYG offense that won those games for the team

 

[Kilyin]

Romo is up there with Brady and Peyton Manning during the regular season. Until he manages to win a playoff game though, there's always going to be that cloud of doubt hanging over his head.

I still can't believe Opie Manning has a Superbowl ring.

 

[Givincer]

Romo/Manning


36 TD / 23 19 INT's / 20 4,211 Yards / 3,336 97.4 rating / 73.9

these two QB's are not even in the same neighborhood...it certainly wasn't the NYG offense that won those games for the team

Lol.

So, Romo threw for 900 more yards, had 13 more touchdown passes, yet still one less interception?

Not in the same neighborhood is right. Maybe an understatement.