Breaking Down the NFC East

[Woods]

That was a good list.

However, trying to put my bias aside, I honestly think Romo > E Manning.

If I were going to start a franchise tomorrow, and I had the opportunity to choose one of them, I take Romo.

That said, I think that Manning grew as a QB in the post-season and clearly earned everything he got.

 

[malone1970]

Newman and Henry above Samuel and Shephard? No way.

Yea Newman and Henry are above Samuel, Brown and Shepard and for one simple reason Samuel, Brown, and Shepard have yet to play together to prove themselves. As for Newman and Henry they have established themselves and an effective, and dangerous team. Yea they do need to stay healthy, but if they don't our corners behind them (A. Jones, M. Jenkins) will get the job done.

 

[JonJon]

I also think Romo is better, but Eli stopped making mistakes late last season and that was NOT due to the defense getting better. We'll see what happens this year but IMO Eli's play is what makes the Giants the biggest threat to the Cowboys in the NFC East.

Maybe I am in the minority, but I am not buying the Eli Manning improvement that the media was trying to portray. Did everyone forget that the Patriot defensive backs had a severe case of the dropsies and there were many passes, even on that final drive, that should have been intercepted??? Manning was extremely lucky.

Also, the Giants coaching staff should get the credit, not Eli, for limiting his chances of making mistakes by game planning for shorter passes and quick releases.

 

[Robbieac]

Maybe I am in the minority, but I am not buying the Eli Manning improvement that the media was trying to portray. Did everyone forget that the Patriot defensive backs had a severe case of the dropsies and there were many passes, even on that final drive, that should have been intercepted??? Manning was extremely lucky.

Also, the Giants coaching staff should get the credit, not Eli, for limiting his chances of making mistakes by game planning for shorter passes and quick releases.

 

[ctrous25]

I like our Middle backers more than any other team in the nfc east Bradie James is underrated

 

[kinderwords51]

Yea Newman and Henry are above Samuel, Brown and Shepard and for one simple reason Samuel, Brown, and Shepard have yet to play together to prove themselves. As for Newman and Henry they have established themselves and an effective, and dangerous team. Yea they do need to stay healthy, but if they don't our corners behind them (A. Jones, M. Jenkins) will get the job done.

Okay. and Pacman, Jenkins, Scandick, have never played together either. They are at opposite ends of the field and cover their own targets. whats your point?

 

[AbeBeta]

That was an initial thought of mine, but getting open has never really been a problem for Crayton. Several coaches have commented on it (past and current regime). Perhaps it becomes more of a problem when teams focus on him as a #2, but he still put up admirable numbers despite teams knowing all season that he was the #2 receiver. I think he's just targeted less because of Owens and Witten (which should get a "DUH!" response).

Your targeted less comment was my first thought -- but Burress/Shockey is not a slouch combo either so you could argue that some of the same forces work against Toomer

 

[Clove]

Romo needs to take more sacks and cut back on the INTs, if he does that he will darn near own not only the NFC east, but the NFL.

 

[malone1970]

Okay. and Pacman, Jenkins, Scandick, have never played together either. They are at opposite ends of the field and cover their own targets. whats your point?

Yes that is true but the question was about Newman and Henry I am just saying if Newman and Henry were to go down then Pacman, Jenkins, and Scandick and get the job done. Now also look at it in this light, if Samuel, Brown, and Shepard go down who will replace them? Just because they got Asante Samuel Wow!!! Big Deal!! Let's not forget the Superbowl and how the Giants tore his A** up. And how he dropped a sure pick. Plus Shepard is disgruntled now because he is not starting. All I am saying is our CB's pound for pound are better than the Eagles Corners any day.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Romo needs to take more sacks and cut back on the INTs, if he does that he will darn near own not only the NFC east, but the NFL.

With Felix and/or my dad possesing great hands, he wont have to take too many sacks. Them and Witten should provide a nice safety net.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think you're nutso if you'd take Eli over Tony.

Yeah, there's the Super Bowl thing, but that doesn't make Brad Johnson better than Tony.

No kidding! It also doesn't make Trent Dilfer better than Romo either!

 

[superpunk]

Quarterback
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1. Eli Manning. Defending Super Bowl MVP.
2. Tony Romo. I think he will be the best once he learns to win in the Post Season.

Wrong place to pull "pedigree".

Tight End
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1. Jason Witten. Probably the best overall TE in the NFL.
2. Chris Cooley. Emerging as a true threat and is solid.
3. Jeremy Shockey. Injuries, attitude issues, trade or no trade, and a load of unrecognized talent.
4. LJ Smith. In many divisions would be much higher. Don't think this means he isn't good. He is.

Where is "defending super bowl champion" Kevin Boss?

 

[theogt]

Your targeted less comment was my first thought -- but Burress/Shockey is not a slouch combo either so you could argue that some of the same forces work against Toomer

Of the passes targeted at Owens, Witten, and Crayton, 22% were thrown to Crayton.

Of the passes targeted at Burress, Shockey, Boss, and Toomer, 30% were thrown to Toomer.

There's no way of showing it, of course, but I do think that's more a reflection of the #1 WR and TE combo moreso than the #2 WR. I also think a good bit of it is attributable to the Jason Garrett offense.

 

[AbeBeta]

Of the passes targeted at Owens, Witten, and Crayton, 22% were thrown to Crayton.

Of the passes targeted at Burress, Shockey, Boss, and Toomer, 30% were thrown to Toomer.

There's no way of showing it, of course, but I do think that's more a reflection of the #1 WR and TE combo moreso than the #2 WR. I also think a good bit of it is attributable to the Jason Garrett offense.

Sure. But you might also say that the yards per attempt numbers were more reflective of Romo's efficiency. His passer rating was almost 25 points higher than Manning's. Similarly, Romo's YPA was tops in the NFC and 2nd in the NFL. whereas Manning was tied for the worst YPA among NFC starters.

Of course, we aren't going to be able to settle any argument here because there are far too many legitimate interpretations possible for these data. But it really does speak to my initial point -- a single statistic presented without context doesn't tell you very much.

 

[theogt]

Sure. But you might also say that the yards per attempt numbers were more reflective of Romo's efficiency. His passer rating was almost 25 points higher than Manning's. Similarly, Romo's YPA was tops in the NFC and 2nd in the NFL. whereas Manning was tied for the worst YPA among NFC starters.

Of course, we aren't going to be able to settle any argument here because there are far too many legitimate interpretations possible for these data. But it really does speak to my initial point -- a single statistic presented without context doesn't tell you very much.

That may be true, but in 2006 his YPA was much higher despite having a Bledsoe half the season and an up and down Romo for the 2nd half of the season. It was also much higher in 2005.

22,000!

 

[Hostile]

That may be true, but in 2006 his YPA was much higher despite having a Bledsoe half the season and an up and down Romo for the 2nd half of the season. It was also much higher in 2005.

22,000!

Congrats.

 

[TheSkaven]

The Romo vs Eli debate is certainly subjective. The stats, I believe, absolutely prove that Romo is the better quarterback. Of course, I am a lifetime Cowboys homer, and as we all have learned from the, ahem, safety debate around these parts, statistics can be misleading (OK - will shut that Pandora's box now).

Giants' fans I talk to would take Eli. He led them to a Superbowl. They call our quarterback the choke artist. I sure hope Tony proves them wrong this season, but at this point it is a purely subjective debate.

My opinion, as I've voiced, is that Romo is head and shoulders above Eli, and I believe it will be proven out over the course of this coming season.

 

[AbeBeta]

That may be true, but in 2006 his YPA was much higher despite having a Bledsoe half the season and an up and down Romo for the 2nd half of the season. It was also much higher in 2005.

22,000!

Of course, you are talking now about a 3rd or 4th WR's productivity - he had better YPA averages in those years -- 8.6 in 2007, 10.75 in 2006, and 9.7 in 2005.

Now compare that to the actual #2 in 2006, TG. He had 9.5 YPA.

Looking at that I'd say, that PC is actually performing worse now that the QB is better and that he's not as good at #2 as he was at #3.

 

[TwentyOne]

Safeties

1. Ken Hamlin & Roy Williams. Let the squawking begin.
2. Brian Dawkins & Quintin Mikell. Dawkins is the best in the bunch, that's why they are so high.
3. Laron Landry and Reed Doughty. Doughty played well in replacement of Sean Taylor. They can climb this list.
4. Sammy Knight & James Butler. How long before Kenny Phillips takes one of the spots?

wooooot :laugh2:

i can't tell how much i love that one!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Per pass is fine but that statistic doesn't exist in a vacuum - Crayton he does well with the chances he's given, yes. But that 81 target stat also tells us something -- PC isn't getting as many opportunities as other 2nd WRs - and there is a reason for that....

(before people label me anti-Crayton -- note that I like what he brings to the team and see him as a decent #2)

Romo likes to look to Witten and TO