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[baj1dallas]

Amar'e is tops for scoring because he's the only real option on that team. He's not a top 10 player in the league imo and Carmelo is not top 5. There is more to playing in the NBA than scoring, and especially if you want to win playoff games. This is a very overrated deal for NY imo, they will struggle this season and they will have a difficult time convincing CP3 to sign for less than a max contract next season after the new CBA implements a hard cap. They can probably draft a big since they'll be drafting in the upper half of the first round this season and hopefully get somebody to run the floor and play defense and rebound in the 5 spot but they are not guaranteed of getting CP3 and I think the New Yorkers that are so busy congratulating themselves and putting the Knicks in the category of Boston and Orlando and maybe Miami are going to be sorely disappointed unless they get some breaks.

OTOH I think the Nuggets made out like bandits, they got younger, they got pieces that they can use to get better, and if they spend this year and next off season retooling and figuring things out, they will be back to being competitive in the West, which is harder to do than it is in the East.

 

[baj1dallas]

If they get CP3 this summer, look out. Role players are like money, they make more everyday.

But Bigs are not and the Knicks have one. You can NOT win a title without two bigs and the Knicks are going to need some luck to get another.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

They are already going to be paying Amare and Melo about $45M each. The cap is $58M right now and expected to come down $8M-$10M.

They chose the sure thing right now over the hopes of CP3 or Deron Williams and only gave up Gallinari in the process. Smart move.

Theres even a small chance at a dispersal draft for the Hornets players

na, amare and melo will be making about 40 mil combined in 2012. As far as the cap reducing, I doubt it. That's not really the problem. Garunteed contracts are and teams feeling forced to give max contracts to guys like Rudy Gay and Joe Johnson are the problems.

 

[Temo]

Amar'e is not a top 10 player. Debateable if Anthony is (though I think he is).

Still, good trade for Knicks, they're instantly at least the 5th best team in the East, and they can beat the Magic and Bulls now (#3 and #4, in some order).

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

na, amare and melo will be making about 40 mil combined in 2012. As far as the cap reducing, I doubt it. That's not really the problem. Garunteed contracts are and teams feeling forced to give max contracts to guys like Rudy Gay and Joe Johnson are the problems.

chadfordinsider Chad Ford Note to Knicks fans: It's not "hating" on the Knicks to point out they don't have cap space in 2012 to sign CP3 or DWill


Yes, Im that petty.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

chadfordinsider Chad Ford Note to Knicks fans: It's not "hating" on the Knicks to point out they don't have cap space in 2012 to sign CP3 or DWill


Yes, Im that petty.

Any and everyone that thought Melo would end up in NJ, believed so because they thought max contracts were gonna drop. I believe you yourself said as low as 11 or 12 million. After including Mozgov in the melo deal, the NY Knicks have less than 44 mil committed to 2012. This is assuming that Landry Fields cap hold is less than 1.5 mil and we can add in another 1.5 mil for our first rounder this year in the second year of his deal. Still lets say 46 mil committed to 2012. That still leaves 12 million assuming that cap doesn't go up, which I think it will.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Amar'e is not a top 10 player. Debateable if Anthony is (though I think he is).

You'll be hard pressed to name 10 players who are currently better than A'mare. A guy like Blake Griffin may have more upside and guys like KG may have been better in their prime, but 10 guys are are better than A'mare is tough.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

How can the cap go up when the NBA is bleeding money?

I think those stars are so commited that Melo may take a pay cut though. If not hes a chump

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Look at that backpedal, he should be a DB

 

[Manwiththeplan]

How can the cap go up when the NBA is bleeding money?


I think those stars are so commited that Melo may take a pay cut though. If not hes a chump

With the exception of 2009-2010, the cap has gone up every year. As revenue goes up, so will the cap (I'm thinking like 60 mil, while it's currently at 58 mil. not a huge jump). As far as how that can happen when teams are losing money? Max contracts are reduced by 5% for each group. That happens, it lowers the MLE and overall players salaries will soon follow. Also, have contracts ungarunteed beyond 3 years (4 if you resign with old club).

 

[Manwiththeplan]

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Look at that backpedal, he should be a DB

C'mon, let's not be jealous :laugh2:

 

[dargonking999]

You'll be hard pressed to name 10 players who are currently better than A'mare. A guy like Blake Griffin may have more upside and guys like KG may have been better in their prime, but 10 guys are are better than A'mare is tough.

Lebron James
Dwayne Wade
Kobe Byrant
Kevin Durant
Chris Paul
Derrick Rose
Dirk Nowtizki
Dwight Howard
Deron Williams
Carmelo Anthony
Russell Westbrook

And that's leaving most of Vets off that I would normally go with.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Lebron James
Dwayne Wade
Kobe Byrant
Kevin Durant
Chris Paul
Derrick Rose
Dirk Nowtizki
Dwight Howard
Deron Williams
Carmelo Anthony
Russell Westbrook

And that's leaving most of Vets off that I would normally go with.

I need to see Westbrook do something in the playoff like Amare did crapping all over Tim Duncan before hes above Amare.

 

[peplaw06]

You'll be hard pressed to name 10 players who are currently better than A'mare. A guy like Blake Griffin may have more upside and guys like KG may have been better in their prime, but 10 guys are are better than A'mare is tough.

Kobe
LeBron
Durant
Melo
Wade
Howard
Dirk
Ginobili
Rose
Paul

Yeah, near the end there, it's arguable. I think Amare's numbers are gonna fall a bit with Melo there. He's had to be so much of the focus in NY that his numbers have taken off. But the last couple of years in Phoenix just left a bad taste in most people's mouth about Stoudemire.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Lebron James
Dwayne Wade
Kobe Byrant
Kevin Durant
Chris Paul
Derrick Rose
Dirk Nowtizki
Dwight Howard
Deron Williams
Carmelo Anthony
Russell Westbrook

And that's leaving most of Vets off that I would normally go with.

I disagree with Russell Westbrook. He's a good player, but the 2nd option on his team which includes Kevin Durant and Jeff Green. Can he carry a team with no star the way Amar'e has this season? He has a lot of upside, but I don't think he's a top 10 player.

Also, and I'm gonna catch a lot of heat for this, but I think Amar'e is better than Dirk. Amar'e is the better scorer at this point in their careers. Better rebounder and STAT gets you 2.2 Blocks per game. I'm not under the illusion that Amar'e is a great defensive player and blocks can be a bit over rated kinda like ints, but 2 per game is a solid number, while Dirk is less than 1 per game

 

[Manwiththeplan]

IMO, the Knicks have 2 guys in the top 10, and hopefully can add a 3rd top 10 player in CP3 or Derron.

The Heat have 2 top 5 players and another guy who is likely either top 15 or just outside of that.

 

[DFWJC]

Juuust one minor detail...Stoudemire is still a Knick.

You know Raymond Felton is bummed.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

If the new CBA still has the MLE its going to be a war between the Knicks and Heat for those free agents.

I think Id lean towards the Heat b/c of the weather, taxes, attitude of the players, and age. But its close

 

[Manwiththeplan]

If the new CBA still has the MLE its going to be a war between the Knicks and Heat for those free agents.

I think Id lean towards the Heat b/c of the weather, taxes, attitude of the players, and age. But its close

I probably would too, but the MLE can only be used once, so it won't matter that much.

 

[DFWJC]

I disagree with Russell Westbrook. He's a good player, but the 2nd option on his team which includes Kevin Durant and Jeff Green. Can he carry a team with no star the way Amar'e has this season? He has a lot of upside, but I don't think he's a top 10 player.

Also, and I'm gonna catch a lot of heat for this, but I think Amar'e is better than Dirk. Amar'e is the better scorer at this point in their careers. Better rebounder and STAT gets you 2.2 Blocks per game. I'm not under the illusion that Amar'e is a great defensive player and blocks can be a bit over rated kinda like ints, but 2 per game is a solid number, while Dirk is less than 1 per game

Hard to compare Westbrook and Stoudemire as far as carrying a team because Westbrook's teams is 14 more games over 500 than Amare's....giant difference. But I can see that argument, it's just very hard to prove.

Also, Felton was playing lights out. A huge part of Amare's points came from Felton assists. Plus he was averaging about 17 ppg to boot.

It's okay if you're in the 10-15% of those who (wrongly ) think that Stoudemire is better than Dirk.
Stand proud!

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I probably would too, but the MLE can only be used once, so it won't matter that much.

You can use it every year though. Its the average salary of NBA contracts. Should be some decent quality depth available that way. Maybe a Kendrick Perkins type big man when he shakes loose and Boston is rebuilding. Good fit for Miami and the Knicks

Hard to compare Westbrook and Stoudemire as far as carrying a team because Westbrook's teams is 14 more games over 500 than Amare's....giant difference. But I can see that argument, it's just very hard to prove.

Also, Felton was playing lights out. A huge part of Amare's points came from Felton assists. Plus he was averaging about 17 ppg to boot.

It's okay if you're in the 10-15% of those who (wrongly ) think that Stoudemire is better than Dirk.
Stand proud!

IDK about alll that. Felton was a mediocre player for years until he hooked up w/ Amare.

Amare has proven he doesnt need a set up man. Hes a go to 1 on 1 scorer.