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DFWJC;3854013 said:
Hard to compare Westbrook and Stoudemire as far as carrying a team because Westbrook's teams is 14 more games over 500 than Amare's....giant difference. But I can see that argument, it's just very hard to prove.

And how much of that is Kevin Durant? We can atleast agree that Amar'e didn't have a player of Durant's abilities to play with, right?

DFWJC;3854013 said:
Also, Felton was playing lights out. A huge part of Amare's points came from Felton assists. Plus he was averaging about 17 ppg to boot.

Felton was playing well, but he's still the same guy the bobcats didn't think was good enough to hold onto. His shooting was just too inconsistent.

DFWJC;3854013 said:
It's okay if you're in the 10-15% of those who (wrongly:D ) think that Stoudemire is better than Dirk.
Stand proud!

I'd be willing to bet outside of Texas that % is bigger than 10-15%. Dirk may be better, w/o looking it up he probably turns the ball over far less and obviously shoots better, but Dirk is on the downside of his career, while STAT is still in his prime
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;3854021 said:
You can use it every year though. Its the average salary of NBA contracts. Should be some decent quality depth available that way. Maybe a Kendrick Perkins type big man when he shakes loose and Boston is rebuilding. Good fit for Miami and the Knicks

Yeah but you wouldn't have Perkins' bird rights till 3 years of consecutive play. Or his partial bird rights till 2 years of playing for you. So you would still need to use the MLE on his for 3 years or so to keep him. While he would be a great option for both teams, there would be someone out there comparable.
 

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casmith07;3853753 said:
Dwight Howard won't be in Orlando for long, and Boston is just about done.

It'll be New York, Miami, and Chicago at the front of the East. LAL, Dallas, and San Antonio at the front of the West, with OKC trying to crack in there.

lol Boston won't be "done". They might have to spend a year rebuilding, but they'll be back at the top. They're already set at two positions for a long time.
 

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Manwiththeplan;3853957 said:
That still leaves 12 million assuming that cap doesn't go up, which I think it will.

Which is not even close to what CP3 will want or get offered.
 

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baj1dallas;3854043 said:
Which is not even close to what CP3 will want or get offered.

that may be the new max deal for players w/ 7 years exp. Or it may be enough for him to sign a long term deal with an opt out after 3 years, when we'll have his bird rights. At this point, it's safe to assume Melo, Amar'e and CP3 have atleast talked about joining up like LeBron/Wade and Bosh and he may be willing to take a bit less.
 

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Manwiththeplan;3854024 said:
And how much of that is Kevin Durant? We can atleast agree that Amar'e didn't have a player of Durant's abilities to play with, right?
No doubt



Felton was playing well, but he's still the same guy the bobcats didn't think was good enough to hold onto. His shooting was just too inconsistent.
I don't think he is the same player. He needed be going up-tempo...that is his game. Someone said before that he's a mediocre player. I don't think so. The light has come on and it is obvious how to best use him...plus he is far more confident now.
But certainly he would not be near the top in the league in assits without Stoudemire.



I'd be willing to bet outside of Texas that % is bigger than 10-15%. Dirk may be better, w/o looking it up he probably turns the ball over far less and obviously shoots better, but Dirk is on the downside of his career, while STAT is still in his prime
Okay. 10-15% was bit tongue-in-cheek.:D
I think Dirk is better, but it's not too far-fetched to prefer Amare.
 

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DFWJC;3854060 said:
Okay. 10-15% was bit tongue-in-cheek.:D
I think Dirk is better, but it's not too far-fetched to prefer Amare.

Two different players. Dirk's problem is his post game is weak. Virtually no post offense and subpar post defense.

When the playoffs roll around guys like Gasol, Bynum, Duncan, Amare own Dirk in the post.

As a SF, though, Dirk is among tops at the position, if you count him as a SF, which I do despite being a 7-footer.
 

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casmith07;3854067 said:
Two different players. Dirk's problem is his post game is weak. Virtually no post offense and subpar post defense.

When the playoffs roll around guys like Gasol, Bynum, Duncan, Amare own Dirk in the post.

As a SF, though, Dirk is among tops at the position, if you count him as a SF, which I do despite being a 7-footer.
For sure...two different players.
So then Dirk owns them outside the post and now often off the dribble.

Plus Dirk's game is greatly improved inside anyway--by all accounts.

Plus Dirk is not asked to guard Duncan or Bynum inside, just like they are not asked to guard him outside.

Dirk's game actually elevates in the playoffs with higher scoring and rebounding averages.

I'm not going to argue whether or not Dirk is better than Amare. I like them both, but prefer Dirk. But as you said, they are two different players.

I agree, you can count him as either a PF or SF and not be out of line. He is a nightmare to match up with regardless. All coaches will tell us that with no exceptions.
 

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DFWJC;3854077 said:
For sure...two different players.
So then Dirk owns them outside the post and now often off the dribble.

Agreed, but he's not clutch and not an elite swingman like LeBron, Wade, or Kobe. They also don't have anyone else on the roster that is.

Plus Dirk's game is greatly improved inside anyway--by all accounts.

Plus Dirk is not asked to guard Duncan or Bynum inside, just like they are not asked to guard him outside.

...which leaves him getting beaten by smaller, quicker wing players, and leaves the Mavs to get punished on the boards and in the post in playoff time by longer, bigger teams.

Dirk's game actually elevates in the playoffs with higher scoring and rebounding averages.

I'm not going to argue whether or not Dirk is better than Amare. I like them both, but prefer Dirk. But as you said, they are two different players.

I agree, you can count him as either a PF or SF and not be out of line. He is a nightmare to match up with regardless. All coaches will tell us that with no exceptions.

Yet the Mavs are among league leaders in early playoff exits. That one year they went to the Finals was an anomaly.

Look, I'm not saying that Dirk isn't a great player, because he is. I just think that the Mavs as a team are flawed, even if he's the best guy on the roster. They don't match up well against any of the other elite Western Conference teams. I can really only see them beating Phoenix or Oklahoma City.

If Dirk were to really get a strong post game, and be more willing to bang the boards and clean up the garbage down low instead of playing from the wing, the Mavericks would find more success in my opinion. That's why the Celtics, Lakers, Magic, and Spurs are so successful - they play inside out. The Mavs try to play outside in, with the tallest guy shooting threes. I'll let Dirk shoot threes all day if it means the only 7 foot tall guys in the post are Gasol and Bynum to grab boards.
 

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Dirk is a top 7 player right now, and BY FAR the best player on his team.

He's got the best jump shot in the game right now (55.7% eFG% on jump shots) and has the best clutch stats of anyone in the league (50.5 Points per 48 minutes of clutch time on 60% shooting).

He's 15th in the league in 3 point shooting, 9th in free throws, 11th in PER.

True, he's not great defensively and he's not a league leader in rebounding-- though he gets his fair share. Tyson Chandler is the team's post man, why should Dirk even bother posting up when he's one of the league's most efficient scorers already?

Nowitzki is the last thing wrong with the Mavericks. It's the dearth of talent elsewhere that's holding them back.
 

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Manwiththeplan;3853960 said:
You'll be hard pressed to name 10 players who are currently better than A'mare. A guy like Blake Griffin may have more upside and guys like KG may have been better in their prime, but 10 guys are are better than A'mare is tough.

Right now, for this year only? (unordered)

1. LeBron James
2. D-Wade
3. Dwight Howard
4. Chris Paul
5. Kevin Durant
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Kevin Garnett (his defense this year has been amazing)
8. Paul Pierce (close to debateable...)
9. Derrick Rose
10. Russel Westbrook
11. Deron Williams
12. Dirk Nowitzski
13. Pau Gasol
14. Tim Duncan (I trust he'll turn it on in the playoffs)

Those are the ones I know I'd take over him for sure. You could make a case for LaMarcus Aldridge, Kevin Love (a stretch), Rajon Rondo, Steve Nash, Zach Randolph (another stretch), and Manu Ginobili (criminally underrated).
 

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Temo;3854128 said:
and has the best clutch stats of anyone in the league (50.5 Points per 48 minutes of clutch time on 60% shooting).

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The clutch part is where so many people whiff on evaluating Dirk. I think I'll puke next time I here some clueless (and heavily biased anti Dirk) person say he is a choker. It's the opposite actually....both in the playoffs and the regular season, his numbers and efficiency go up during cluth time.
 

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Temo;3854143 said:
Right now, for this year only? (unordered)

1. LeBron James
2. D-Wade
3. Dwight Howard
4. Chris Paul
5. Kevin Durant
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Kevin Garnett (his defense this year has been amazing)
8. Paul Pierce (close to debateable...)
9. Derrick Rose
10. Russel Westbrook
11. Deron Williams
12. Dirk Nowitzski
13. Pau Gasol
14. Tim Duncan (I trust he'll turn it on in the playoffs)

Those are the ones I know I'd take over him for sure. You could make a case for LaMarcus Aldridge, Kevin Love (a stretch), Rajon Rondo, Steve Nash, Zach Randolph (another stretch), and Manu Ginobili (criminally underrated).


I dont even think you are being serious with that
 

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I hope the people downing Dirk realize that they're being every bit as superficial and uninformed as the people who trash Romo.
 
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Temo;3854143 said:
Right now, for this year only? (unordered)

1. LeBron James
2. D-Wade
3. Dwight Howard
4. Chris Paul
5. Kevin Durant
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Kevin Garnett (his defense this year has been amazing)
8. Paul Pierce (close to debateable...)
9. Derrick Rose
10. Russel Westbrook
11. Deron Williams
12. Dirk Nowitzski
13. Pau Gasol
14. Tim Duncan (I trust he'll turn it on in the playoffs)

Those are the ones I know I'd take over him for sure. You could make a case for LaMarcus Aldridge, Kevin Love (a stretch), Rajon Rondo, Steve Nash, Zach Randolph (another stretch), and Manu Ginobili (criminally underrated).

Quite possibly the worst list I've ever seen. You should watch more basketball bro.
 

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Dallas Cowboys Fan;3854299 said:
Quite possibly the worst list I've ever seen. You should watch more basketball bro.

lol, seriously...Garnett top 10? This isn't 2002.
 

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Temo;3854143 said:
Right now, for this year only? (unordered)

1. LeBron James
2. D-Wade
3. Dwight Howard
4. Chris Paul
5. Kevin Durant
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Kevin Garnett (his defense this year has been amazing)
8. Paul Pierce (close to debateable...)
9. Derrick Rose
10. Russel Westbrook
11. Deron Williams
12. Dirk Nowitzski
13. Pau Gasol
14. Tim Duncan (I trust he'll turn it on in the playoffs)

Those are the ones I know I'd take over him for sure. You could make a case for LaMarcus Aldridge, Kevin Love (a stretch), Rajon Rondo, Steve Nash, Zach Randolph (another stretch), and Manu Ginobili (criminally underrated).

Everyone else has knocked this list so I don't need to go into huge detail but there is literally no case to be made for Zach Randolf, Manu Ginobili or anyone else in that last paragraph. Most either failed as #1 options or are like #3 options or worse. Kevin Love is a #1 option on the arguably the worst team in the league. On a successfull team he needs to be a #3 option at best.

As far as your 1-14, far too many players are past their prime. TD and KG have had better careeres, but are role players now. Very good role players, but role players none the less. Paul Pierce is laughable and Pau Gasol is another guy who had limited success as a #1 option who gets vastly overated now that he's on the Lakers.
 
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