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[Manwiththeplan]

I hope the people downing Dirk realize that they're being every bit as superficial and uninformed as the people who trash Romo.

I'd say Romo isn't a top 10 player in the league, not really downing him to say that.

 

[peplaw06]

Everyone else has knocked this list so I don't need to go into huge detail but there is literally no case to be made for Zach Randolf, Manu Ginobili or anyone else in that last paragraph. Most either failed as #1 options or are like #3 options or worse. Kevin Love is a #1 option on the arguably the worst team in the league. On a successfull team he needs to be a #3 option at best.

As far as your 1-14, far too many players are past their prime. TD and KG have had better careeres, but are role players now. Very good role players, but role players none the less. Paul Pierce is laughable and Pau Gasol is another guy who had limited success as a #1 option who gets vastly overated now that he's on the Lakers.

I don't agree with a whole lot on that list... That being said, I'd rate Ginobili higher than Amare. He's what makes the Spurs go and they have the best record in the league. And I'm not a Spurs fan at all.

 

[Kangaroo]

What!? Amare's top 10 now?

Hell there's so much talent in the nba today it's a question whether Melo's even top 5.

Yea but think about it what are teams going to be afraid of with the Knicks they can score so what you can get a layup on them at will. They are about to become the Suns of the past all offense and what the hell is defense and always lose out in the playoffs because they can not make a stop when they need one.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I don't agree with a whole lot on that list... That being said, I'd rate Ginobili higher than Amare. He's what makes the Spurs go and they have the best record in the league. And I'm not a Spurs fan at all.

meh, role player imo. very good one, but still imo a role player. swap Amar'e and Ginobili and it's possible neither team gets better, but one team gets a lot worse.

Really and truly, no GM would rate Ginobili higher than STAT. Dirk as I've said is debatable, but Ginobili isn't close.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Yea but think about it what are teams going to be afraid of with the Knicks they can score so what you can get a layup on them at will. They are about to become the Suns of the past all offense and what the hell is defense and always lose out in the playoffs because they can not make a stop when they need one.

I agree that right now, the roster is too flawed to beat Miami or Boston. I think we could possibly pull off a first round upset over Chicago, Atlanta or Miami, but that's it.

But 2 things win in the playoffs. Defense (which we lack) and an efficient half court offense, and imo with Stoudamire, Melo and Billups we have a better half court offense than Phoenix ever did.

 

[peplaw06]

meh, role player imo. very good one, but still imo a role player. swap Amar'e and Ginobili and it's possible neither team gets better, but one team gets a lot worse.

Really and truly, no GM would rate Ginobili higher than STAT. Dirk as I've said is debatable, but Ginobili isn't close.

Role player? That's ridiculous. Ginobili's the best player for the Spurs. He is the guy who does everything for his team. Amare plays on one end of the court.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Role player? That's ridiculous. Ginobili's the best player for the Spurs. He is the guy who does everything for his team. Amare plays on one end of the court.

I think they would miss Duncan a lot more than Ginobili. Duncan makes everyone on that team a better defender because they know Duncan has their back. On top of that he's a great passer for a center. His offensive numbers are down, but I still think he's what makes the offense go. Remove him and everyone struggles. Remove Ginobili and yes the Spurs struggle but I don't think you see a huge drop off in the individual play of the other guys.

And once again, Amar'e isn't KG or Duncan on the defensive end, but he's not Dirk or Kevin Love. 2.2 bpg is nothing to brush off.

 

[casmith07]

na, amare and melo will be making about 40 mil combined in 2012. As far as the cap reducing, I doubt it. That's not really the problem. Garunteed contracts are and teams feeling forced to give max contracts to guys like Rudy Gay and Joe Johnson are the problems.

Not really - teams giving ludicrous contracts to guys like Drew Gooden is the problem.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Not really - teams giving ludicrous contracts to guys like Drew Gooden is the problem.

Believe it or not, but he makes slightly more than the MLE (averege NBA salary). So imo, this is a symptom of the problem, rather than the actual problem

 

[Temo]

I said the list was unordered. I just numbered for counting purposes.

A lot of the players on that list that people have a problem with are on there because of defense. Amare doesn't play it.

 

[Temo]

Everyone else has knocked this list so I don't need to go into huge detail but there is literally no case to be made for Zach Randolf, Manu Ginobili or anyone else in that last paragraph. Most either failed as #1 options or are like #3 options or worse. Kevin Love is a #1 option on the arguably the worst team in the league. On a successfull team he needs to be a #3 option at best.

As far as your 1-14, far too many players are past their prime. TD and KG have had better careeres, but are role players now. Very good role players, but role players none the less. Paul Pierce is laughable and Pau Gasol is another guy who had limited success as a #1 option who gets vastly overated now that he's on the Lakers.

I don't understand the love for Amare. With him as the "#1 option", the Knicks were the #6 team in the EAST, barely above .500.

Zach Randolph rebounds, plays defense, and scores. His #2 guy is Rudy Gay, and Memphis has a better record than NY in the WEST. That said, I think Amare is better. But no case? nah

Manu Ginobili is on the best team in the league and is doing a ton of the work for that team.

 

[Temo]

lol, seriously...Garnett top 10? This isn't 2002.

He's not top 10, again, the list is unordered. Just numbering players I'd take over Amare. His defense has been spectacular this year. With him off-court, the Celtics aren't nearly as good defensively, and that's their trademark as a franchise.

 

[Temo]

Quite possibly the worst list I've ever seen. You should watch more basketball bro.

Any particular problems, other than the fact that it's unordered?

 

[casmith07]

He's not top 10, again, the list is unordered. Just numbering players I'd take over Amare. His defense has been spectacular this year. With him off-court, the Celtics aren't nearly as good defensively, and that's their trademark as a franchise.

You should order the list. Having a list be "unordered" makes absolutely no sense for the purposes of this discussion.

 

[Temo]

You should order the list. Having a list be "unordered" makes absolutely no sense for the purposes of this discussion.

Why? The question was "how many players can I name that are better this year than Amare". Just started listing players as I thought of them, and numbered it so it's easier to count.

I guess I could order it, but that goes beyond the question. Here we go though:

1. LeBron James
2. Dwight Howard
3. Kevin Durant
4. D-Wade
5. Derrick Rose
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Dirk Nowitzski
8. Russel Westbrook
9. Carmelo Anthony
10. Deron Williams
11. Chris Paul (highly dependent on how his knee holds up...)
11. Pau Gasol
12. Tim Duncan
13. Kevin Garnett

Rough ordering. These are the guys I'd probably take over Amare. A few guys I'm on the fence. I'm comfortable saying Amare is a top 15 player, this year only. Not top 10.

For reference, Bill Simmons' trade value article had Amare at 20. Of course, some of the guys ahead of Amare are there due to contract (Wall, Alridge, Love, Rondo, Griffin) and some others I disagree with (Pierce, Ginobili... though I'm close on both), and he doesn't value Garnett as highly as I do (evidently no one here does, so be it ) but I don't think my ranking of Amare is far out there at all...

 

[DFWJC]

:laugh2:
Talk about a no-defense playing team.
The Knicks are going to make the 2006 Mavs look like defensive juggernauts!