Brian Waters

[CowboyMike]

Stash, we obviously wanted a cheaper player and one who wouldn't be a progress stopper for the type of OL Garrett is trying to put together. Watters likely didn't want to play on those terms. It seems pretty obvious to me.

Thank you.

 

[Stash]

Stash, we obviously wanted a cheaper player and one who wouldn't be a progress stopper for the type of OL Garrett is trying to put together. Watters likely didn't want to play on those terms. It seems pretty obvious to me.

If that's what you'd like to see, that's your prerogative.

But the Dockery signing goes directly against that, especially when they put him in the starting lineup about a week after signing him and only took him out when he got injured.

Like many other teams in the league, the Cowboys incorrectly assumed that Waters had little to nothing left.

And, like the rest of the league they were wrong and now the Patriots will reap the benefits of that mistake.

 

[kmd24]

But the Dockery signing goes directly against that, especially when they put him in the starting lineup about a week after signing him and only took him out when he got injured.

Dockery played because Nagy was injured. He probably would have returned to the bench once Nagy returned.

Not only that, but the line was pretty banged up when we signed Dockery.

Like many other teams in the league, the Cowboys incorrectly assumed that Waters had little to nothing left.

If this is true, and I think it probably is, it is certainly a mistake, but not a very big one. It hardly seems worth all the vitriol.

 

[CowboyMike]

[/list]Arkin? Who's he? He's been an afterthought since week 2 of the preseason.
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I said Nagy and/or Arkin. Good job picking and choosing what you want to respond to. It's pretty clear they haven't given up on Arkin. He just needs more development time and weight room training.

You mean like keeping Montrae Holland around for all of the preseason?

If they released him while he was injured they would have had to give him an injury settlement. They kept him until he was healthy, then put him out to pasture when they had Dockery. Good business.

So we just shopped off the bargain rack?

Yes.

"Just go cheap baby!"

Yes again. We're trying to develop a young line, not fill in holes with higher priced free agents like we have the last few years. How did that work out for us? Were you also criticizing Jerry for signing Colombo and Davis to high priced FA contracts? Can't have it both ways.

Waters was in New England before Dockery came to Dallas.

That doesn't change the possibility that the Cowboys still inquired with Waters and he simply didn't want a minimum one year deal.

One more year at least than Dockery!

Dockery is three years younger.

It was the same garbage spewed from people when he was available.

"He's old"

"He's washed-up"

"He can't play"

"If he's so good, why is he available?"

And, just like Mickey Spagnola, they were wrong, wrong, wrong.

But right about oh so many free agent failure the past few years all around the league. Waters may be having a decent season up in NE right now, but he doesn't have much left in the tank. He's a stop-gap for them. He probably wanted one last shot at a title, while Dockery was fine being an insurance policy for us.

 

[supercowboy8]

Maybe a report like this (among others):

Most likely it's the former and the word out of Dallas is that they're "kicking the tires" on Waters, good news for the Texas product as it would provide a homecoming of sorts at the end of a career. Richie Whitt of the Dallas Observer writes, "At 34, he's still got a little tread on the tire and I hear he has a desire to finish his career close to home in Dallas. The Cowboys haven't made him a contract offer, but a source last night told me his name comes up daily in conversations."

Born and raised near Dallas,grew up near Dallas, college in Texas, but, nah, why would he want to play there?

you act like every player in the NFL that grew up in or around dallas wants to play for the cowboys, there are several players that have been free agents that grew up in or around Dallas that never played for Dallas.

And if your going to go off one report where all the guys says is that since he is form Dallas then he wants to play for Dallas. I never heard or seen any quote from Waters that said where he wanted to play for Dallas. It was all speculation and media.

 

[Picksix]

Yeah, pieces like Derrick freakin' Dockery.

Real 'building block' there...

It was a good question and the Cowboys should be second-guessed on it.

The guy wanted to come 'home' to play in Texas and the Cowboys screwed-up and didn't sign him, instead choosing to keep a fat bum like Montrae Holland around for weeks until he proved many of us correct and was sent packing.

And now Waters is a key contributor to the machine that is the New England offense.

And Dockery looked terrible in his one game of action and then got hurt and missed significant time.

But the apologists of course want to 'move on'.

:cop:

Well, what else are we supposed to do? Constantly rue and complain over decisions that didn't work out? What good does that do? Does it make anything better?

And even with all the coverage we get these days, we still only know a small fraction of how things really went down. Anything else is just pure speculation.

 

[bsheeern]

There's clearly a consensus among NFL scouts and gm's that he played bad last year. So many here cried and moaned about a old aging oline and now you are crying because we Didnt sign a 34 year old lineman who is cOming of his worst season as a rookie for a team that made the playoffs........

Does this not have Flozell all over it? Gurode? Colombo?

Some of you need to make up your minds. Are you fans or crybabies.......

I've said it 1,000 times, some should stick to being cheerleader fans then critical fans and it shows.

 

[HanD]

It is a non answer, leading to the perception you never really thought about the guy so you gave a vague non answer to cover your arse.

I bet jg and most coaches dont give a rats *** about how arm chair qbs and mediots perceive them. I know I dont and wouldnt.

 

[bsheeern]

It is a non answer, leading to the perception you never really thought about the guy so you gave a vague non answer to cover your arse.

Guess he fooled you then...or maybe you just ASSumed.....


Most likely it's the former and the word out of Dallas is that they're "kicking the tires" on Waters, good news for the Texas product as it would provide a homecoming of sorts at the end of a career. Richie Whitt of the Dallas Observer writes, "At 34, he's still got a little tread on the tire and I hear he has a desire to finish his career close to home in Dallas. The Cowboys haven't made him a contract offer, but a source last night told me his name comes up daily in conversations."

 

[CCBoy]

Guess he fooled you then...or maybe you just ASSumed.....


Most likely it's the former and the word out of Dallas is that they're "kicking the tires" on Waters, good news for the Texas product as it would provide a homecoming of sorts at the end of a career. Richie Whitt of the Dallas Observer writes, "At 34, he's still got a little tread on the tire and I hear he has a desire to finish his career close to home in Dallas. The Cowboys haven't made him a contract offer, but a source last night told me his name comes up daily in conversations."

I guess that some are still looking for someone who no longer fits into a size 16 skirt...

 

[Doomsay]

Stash, we obviously wanted a cheaper player and one who wouldn't be a progress stopper for the type of OL Garrett is trying to put together. Watters likely didn't want to play on those terms. It seems pretty obvious to me.

Would Kyle Kosier be considered a progress stopper as well?

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Would Kyle Kosier be considered a progress stopper as well?

If we were bringing him in as a free agent rather than as an in-house re-signing, yes. Since he's already on the roster in a year without an offseason, he's definitely not.

 

[Doomsay]

If we were bringing him in as a free agent rather than as an in-house re-signing, yes. Since he's already on the roster in a year without an offseason, he's definitely not.

For a 3 year deal, the already on the roster consideration, seems trivial.

 

[Arch Stanton]

We should have gone after Logan Mankins and Brian Waters.

 

[Stash]

If we were bringing him in as a free agent rather than as an in-house re-signing, yes. Since he's already on the roster in a year without an offseason, he's definitely not.

Kosier gets a 3-year deal yet isn't a 'progress stopper' for the young guys who at that point hadn't shown anything at the NFL level - and apparently neither Holland nor Dockery would have either.

But somehow, some way, Brian Waters, a multi-time Pro Bowler would have been.

Logic never gets twisted quite as much as it does here when folks will do whatever it takes to defend their beloved Cowboys.

 

[Stash]

Well, what else are we supposed to do? Constantly rue and complain over decisions that didn't work out? What good does that do? Does it make anything better?

No, sweeping mistakes under the rug works much better. I know pretending I never made a mistake always works out better for me.

And even with all the coverage we get these days, we still only know a small fraction of how things really went down. Anything else is just pure speculation.

Yeah, Texas born and raised, Texas schooled, lives in Texas.

But yeah, to actually think he'd want to play football there? Pure 'speculation'.

Again, amazing the leaps in logic folks will try to make to defend their Cowboys...

 

[Stash]

Guess he fooled you then...or maybe you just ASSumed.....

So let's get this straight, this part of the report is not accurate:

Most likely it's the former and the word out of Dallas is that they're "kicking the tires" on Waters, good news for the Texas product as it would provide a homecoming of sorts at the end of a career. Richie Whitt of the Dallas Observer writes, "At 34, he's still got a little tread on the tire and I hear he has a desire to finish his career close to home in Dallas.

While this part of the same report is accurate:

The Cowboys haven't made him a contract offer, but a source last night told me his name comes up daily in conversations."[/quote]

Wow...

 

[Doomsay]

We should have gone after Logan Mankins and Brian Waters.

Yup, just think how much of a win win that would be against Sunday's opponent. :

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Dude it was a dumb question and it got a coach speak answer. Of course they do due diligence, but with the offensive line playing as well as it is who gives a crap about Brian Waters?

This.

And unless Waters is playing All-Pro level football, I don't see how not signing was a bad move by the Cowboys.

 

[dmq]

Dockery came here as an injury based starter/back up. Waters would have been here to start. Dallas simply wanted to play the promising youth and you have a problem with this?