Briefly why Joneses should have Romo at top of their list, and why Tony should listen

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I wouldn't want Romo as HC. No way. He doesn't have the experience. IF he wanted to be stupid and drop his lucrative deal with short hours, he should start as a QB coach for a few years, then move up to OC for a few years, then MAYBE HC....but while I think he'd make a great OC after a few years of training as a coach, I think he'd be a poor HC. No more jumping the gun and promoting people that are nowhere near ready for the position.

And Romo would be a fool to work for Jerry again. He has a sweet job that lets him spend tons of time with his kids. Who would give that up?
 

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yeah, definitely not HC material, at least not in the NFL to start his career. maybe if he coaches in college first.

as an OC??? no, not yet...maybe as a consultant. Designing and calling plays does require some real talent...and needs some bit of experience
I mean, he pretty much was the OC when he played under Garrett lol
 

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Indeed, he made a lot of calls at the LOS, and look how well that worked out for us

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It probably would’ve been worse with actually running the plays Garrett had called. Remember when Jerry tried to prop Garret prior to letting him go? He paraphrased that Garrett would have no problem finding another HC job in the NFL.
 

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Cool. One or two people responded to the thread I began early this a.m. :laugh:


Here's Tony Romo to David Moore, January 2019, before calling Super Bowl LIII:

"I'm sure one day I'll coach. Right now, I'm happy with where I'm at. I'm enjoying it and I'm lucky to be in this position calling the Super Bowl. You know, I have three young boys at home that I want to be around them and watch them grow up.''

Romo stressed he's "many years away'' from a coaching career. While he doesn't know what it's like to compete in the Super Bowl as a player -- a topic that came up on several occasions Tuesday -- he hopes to project the human side of what a game like this means to the franchises, coaches, players and wives and family involved.

Is taking part in Sunday's game as a broadcaster instead of a quarterback just a different version of the same dream?

"I don't know,'' Romo said. "I never got there. It is one of my biggest disappointments. I wasn't able to do that. You leave your whole body, your heart and everything into it and you try. It's something you have to live with. You give everything you've got and, like anything, you move on.

"I don't look back a ton. Just kind of move on to the next step and next phase and try to make that as great as it can possibly be. You try to be as good as you can be at the next thing.

"When you move on, you just keep doing that. That makes life enjoyable, your ability to improve and get better and be as good as you can be at whatever it is you're doing.''




What to take from this that challenges some of the things I've read in these 10 pages:

1. Yes, in fact, Tony does envision himself coaching eventually.

Now? Maybe not. Probably not. His boys are still pretty young (ages 7, 10 and 12).


2. The failure to get to a Super Bowl is one of his biggest disappointments, straight up. That's not really any surprise to most of us, but apparently to some. He won't get a second chance to get there as a player. But putting 2 and 2 together, it goes without saying that he's imagined a path to still yet get to wear a championship ring.


3. At least as important as any of that... and both of those points are important... is the last part. People have credibly asserted that it's a widely held opinion that Tony's fallen off his broadcast analyst game a bit this past year. Perhaps 2019 Tony just explained to us why that may have been the case... maybe he feels he's "been there done that"... maybe he feels he's gotten to the top of that mountain, and the dopamine rush has faded...

Maybe it's time for "the next thing." No, really. I think we see indicators that Tony's mind is ready to turn to the next chapter.


Don't argue with me. I'm just reading what the man said.

And in fact, to the credit of so many as I read what's accumulated here today in this thread since I posted ahead of a road trip I had scheduled... (home now, thank you... ) you haven't argued with me.

You've protested. Sure. Some of the Romo haters predictably so, and/but some of the Romo-friendly fans also have been less than enthusiastic. And in my best David Helman voice... "It's fine." :p

But very few of the comments I just read argued with something I actually pointed out in the OP. Again. To your credit. Because, indeed, it's hard to argue with anything I said in the OP, other than maybe argue that Jerry doesn't want another Super Bowl win so bad that he'd think about cutting Romo a piece of Dallas Cowboys equity as contractual obligation/incentive clause.

That one, I can't argue because who really knows. I tend to think it's plausible but that the real debate would be more about what the precise percentage would be acceptable to the Joneses (almost certainly microscopic, but even microscopic could be considerable, of course).

"Well, why would he do that for Tony, though?" I propose two reasons combine to answer that, both fundamentally important, neither sufficient on their own.

1. Tony is special in the Joneses' eye. They have a lot of affection for a lot of players and coaches over the decades, sure, but the mutual affection that is held between Tony and Jerry is at least as strong as any, and I propose, strongest of any. Troy, Emmitt and Michael have been sons to them, but those sons have been at times a little contentious toward the Joneses... Jason Garrett was a son to them, okay, absolutely... but Tony? Tony, in my opinion, is the favorite. Tony is Eastern Illinois. Tony is undrafted free agent. Tony is can-do, competitor, you're not going to keep me down for as long as my back lets me, but/and when you replace me, I'm going to make a classy speech and have my say, then sit down and let the rookie take over. They love everything about Tony Romo, and that's reciprocated.

2. Tony makes a lot of money as-is. There is a legit theory that says Tony's not like a lot of us... it's not all about how much he's being paid. He sees life in a bigger picture than just economic. He's made a lot. He's not hurting, and if he ever did hurt, it's not as-if he couldn't get another TV gig again down the road if that's what he chose. Still, it seems unlikely you could expect him to accept such a sizable pay cut without some built-in opportunity to get in the ballpark of what CBS is contractually-bound to pay.

Enter Jerry, who just spent some time dropping hints that he rather likes the idea of constructing a HC contract that employs incentive compensation. And in a sense, for Tony, Tony's more like Jerry's "other much younger" son... this would amount to something like an inheritance... giving the adopted son a piece of the gargantuan pie, rewarding him in a signficant way depending on the significance of that son's success.

What I'm asserting is, in concept, there is solid reason for both sides to think about the framework... though what I'm not asserting is that I know that there is a number that both sides would consider to be adequate.... waaaay too much mind reading beyond me to claim capable of.


Finishing the thought... I think you give the keys to Tony, have his pal Jason running the offense with some help from position coaches they both feel confidence in, based on their experience and insight... and you appeal to Zimmer to come back and serve as DC and, concurrently, a veteran head coach ready and able to give input and guidance early and often... that's a compelling triad. And I suppose to my point... it's not like you have some incredibly better option anyhow. The opportunity cost is low simply because there is no hands-down no-doubter candidate to plug in. Together, these guys would bring high football IQ, wild competitiveness, and/but moreover, as intense a passion to correct the wrong of their playing days as can be found among mere mortals... Romo and Witten in particular hunger/thirst to be able to add Super Bowl to their resume's there can be no objective doubt.

The timing is right to do something very different... very wildcat oilman like.


That's how I see it.
 

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The one downside to a coach search is the crazy suggestions for who we should hire.

In no world should Tony Romo be considered for HC. Yeah, he's great at diagnosing plays on TV. He knows offense. But that's not enough to be a coach. He has zero experience running a college or pro program. He has zero experience running a positional group as an assistant at any level. Can he set up an offseason program? How are his time management skills?

There is so much that goes into being a HC at the NFL level that to think one can be one without having experienced doing any part of running a team. Just because he played and were around coaches doesn't mean you should hand off a major NFL job to him with literally zero coaching experience.
30 years later Jerry has no experience as being a GM.
 

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Why Call
- Few with a higher football IQ than Tony Romo--he is a coach at-heart and always has been, and even more so than Kellen Moore, oh by the way
- Highly relatable, which is why he's an analyst in the first place, which is going to translate to the job
- Parcells disciple, but really exposed to so much more given his analyst job for the past 8 years
- No one could possibly... not even Prime... come into the job with a greater flourish and public enthusiasm
- Probably the one guy who would be able to attract Jason Witten to come along side him as an OC
- No one could be more passionate about putting a Super Bowl ring on his finger (after having lost out as a player) than Tony Romo... maybe as passionate, no one more so.

Why Listen
- No one could be more passionate about putting a Super Bowl ring on his finger (after having lost out as a player) than Tony Romo... maybe as passionate, no one more so.
- He's made a lot of money. He doesn't need to be hung up on the money thing. He can afford it.
- Did I mention he's a coach at-heart? This is a very unique moment in his life, and a very unique opportunity to fulfill something really so much more special than being a TV analyst could ever be.
- Jerry should offer Tony a piece of equity in the Dallas Cowboys as a bonus to winning a Super Bowl... that would seal any deal, imo
Nah not as HC, OC would be the best job for Romo
 

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Allow me to add...

Sample size is so very small in football, that it's statistically irrelevant, but it has happened in other sports that guys have not only been successful without previous top dog experience, but on occasion, coming straight out of the broadcast booth.

Some of you already knew that. Some didn't. One of my favorite examples was Larry Dierker. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dierker-nl-manager-of-the-year/

But that's only cited to assert that it's not the most mindblowing and destined-to-fail idea. There are no hidden magic tricks that they only teach you if you've been a coach.
 

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You said Belichick wasn’t a leader amongst men. Are you serious? No coach wins Super Bowls if they can’t lead a group of men. To say he would’ve won Super Bowls with Romo is laughable. :laugh:
So now we’re shifting goal posts, huh. No player can be a starting QB unless he’s a “leader of men” on the field. After all, that’s why the metonym for a QB is “field general”.

What’s laughable is someone thinking Dak — a far worse choker than Romo ever was — is a better QB than Romo.
 

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People like you? Cheap shot.

I remember people like you saying it's not true, but no semblance of truth or logic to back it up.
That's correct...not true until I actually hear/see it from the source.

"people like you"...not a cheap shot...it's an observation. Some of my best...critics..accuse me (and others) of Dak hating but never seem to show us evidence. They'll say something like..."you know".

Um...nope. No I don't.

I am reluctant, of course, to lump you in exactly with them. I just think when something like "his team mates said he was a poor leader and didn't like him"...that is a serious, and provable, accusation...or else how would you know?
 

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yeah, definitely not HC material, at least not in the NFL to start his career. maybe if he coaches in college first.

as an OC??? no, not yet...maybe as a consultant. Designing and calling plays does require some real talent...and needs some bit of experience
It's been said Tony called a lot of his own plays in the huddle/audibles. Not sure of the validity of that but...possible.
 

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That's correct...not true until I actually hear/see it from the source.

"people like you"...not a cheap shot...it's an observation. Some of my best...critics..accuse me (and others) of Dak hating but never seem to show us evidence. They'll say something like..."you know".

Um...nope. No I don't.

I am reluctant, of course, to lump you in exactly with them. I just think when something like "his team mates said he was a poor leader and didn't like him"...that is a serious, and provable, accusation...or else how would you know?
Oh gads. Please stop basing your posting on that stupid Dakspew crapp. It's starting to flavor your posts in a very bad way.

Last sentence: Then don't.

My source: True story, I am friends w/ a lady who was dating an employee of the Dallas Cowboys. I talked w/ him frequently to get the inside scoop. And aside from this, the stories about said topic came out frequently. Didn't help when Romo joined one of the little cliques of the team. The QB of the team can absolutely not afford to do so.
 

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It's been said Tony called a lot of his own plays in the huddle/audibles. Not sure of the validity of that but...possible.
Pretty impossible.

In today's NFL, a QB is generally given a few plays to option to. I'd guess offhand that it's 2-5 or so. There are very very few QB's who call their own plays. PManning was prolly the last one. I don't think any QB today calls their own plays. It's just not done.
 

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The only thing Romo could teach this team is how to "go Hollywood" and go "study in Cabo" during the playoffs.

Oooh, and how to be a gutless, disrespectful prick who breaks up with his girlfriend on her birthday.

Yeah, what a tough guy. Exactly what this team needs as a leader of men.

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
 

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Most currently successful candidates are not in play because they will want to bring a specific system of operation with them, the one that helped them to succeed. Jerry has never adhered to specific rules of operation. In addition, Jerry will not allow a HC to make personnel decisions as to the assistant coaches and players.

Jerry will not share GM duties and even strips his HCs of many elements of traditional authority like media communication and roster decisions.
I know you live in a social media world ,but you're wrong you're getting your information from Twitter/FB/SM/HERE and it becomes third party and then ten party and then a thousand party like playing telephone and information is typically not the same as when it started as the last person to tell the information too, and make it a fact!! all narratives are not facts most are rumor, hyperbole, and not always true.

but here's a fact,

about a month ago could be six weeks ago, Mike McCarthy himself said he had more power here about the roster than he ever had in Green Bay at any time, how is that possible?

If all these narratives were 100% true not saying jerry never did this, i'm sure way back when the dave campo years in the chan years , he was a lot more meddling and involved he is not that meddling and is involved as people want to keep placing on him... I'm not saying he doesn't do any of this or sometimes he does it, and other times he don't because I know what you're going to do, you're going to bring up the Trey Lance trade but as a GM, we're talking about a third string quarterback that did not affect this roster at all this year, because they didn't force him on the field ,they didn't make him play they just put him on the roster as a possible developmental guy but everyone's going to keep pointing to one thing here and there and then make it a always thing....​
No, there's not an always thing, so at this point it doesn't matter but I hate to break it to you Mike McCarthy himself said he had more power here than in Green Bay when it came to the roster....​
I don't care about the media, who talks, we can ignore that,​
you're talking about stripping there's no strip in whenever you go to a new job and many corporate jobs are really jobs have their own unique set of rules, you know the employee handbook, the things they want from you and expect from you in each position can have a different set of responsibilities from one job to the next ,even if it shares the same title... I hate to break it to you but as much as you guys hate Jerry he was right about Mike McCarthy in 2020 he was the absolute best hire, its been proven but you all hated it, results speak for themselves.​
apparently as bad as Jerry must because you say he's the worst GM in the league, that's what people say ,which I just can't get on board with that because I don't think you can win 36 games, 2 division titles, go to the playoffs 5 out of the last 8 years is being the worst?​
I mean when someone says the worst, I'm thinking of about 15 or 20 other teams that can't get it right and they can't even beat the Dallas Cowboys... Yes, I understand it's regular season win percentage we didn't do anything in the playoffs, but you can't have it both ways if the GM puts enough talent on the team for an allegedly mid coach or an errand boy or a yes man coach that he strips him of all power how did they win all those games??? How did they do something other teams wish they could do, the Cleveland Browns haven't won a division title since 1989 . we're talking about just a basic division title around here, it doesn't mean anything to win a division title, apparently because if you don't follow it up with a Super Bowl run it's deemed as a failed season.​

So I'm saying yes Jerry does a lot of things that are annoying, he says a lot of things that are annoying, he doesn't always do things the way some people feel are normal or natural ,but he's not as bad as you all say because Mike McCarthy himself and this is how I know,


also he allows his coordinators and his head coaches have input on draft day and sometimes that's bad and he also allowed Mike McCarthy to hang himself 2 words Mike Nolan, that was a hire by Mike McCarthy I prefer Dan Quinn that was a Jerry hire, also Mike McCarthy hired himself as the next offensive coordinator, and when he wasn't going well instead of demoting himself he allowed the team to lose and we saw his coaching style lose games his unaggressive don't lose a game attitude instead of being aggressive trying to win games this was on the head coach the failures here can't all be blamed on Jerry, because I don't know how many times we have so many players in the top 100 ,pro bowlers, all pros, and yet we have the worst GM in the league? I mean that's what you're saying the worst GM in the league that never does anything right maybe not the trade for Amari Cooper in 2018 that turned that team around are you saying that was coaching move that Jason Garrett made that trade and Jerry had nothing to do with it and Jason Garrett was 100% against it but Jerry did it anyway??


So, what is it you give him credit for the move, or you don't that's what's the problem around here? I called Jerry a mid, very average GM ,a bit better owner but he not the worst GM..

So can we stop putting Jerry in 100% narratives like it's all or nothing there's no Gray area there is Gray area but the fans don't allow it there are far worse teams in this league that I would rather not be a fan of and I mean a lot of them there's probably 20 of them what's happening is Jerry's being held up against the standard which is above average elite type GM's like in Philadelphia and the aggressive nature of with the Rams and some of the all in teams like San Francisco or some of the ones that are making a little bit bigger moves well that's like 5 that's like 5GMs that are clearly better than Jerry...

The League doesn't see it like fans do, I mean they see it from my perspective how does a team that has top 6 IN regular season win percentage the last decade, that are constantly in prime time, they're constantly talked about that means they're relative, you can't be relative if you really suck so bad...

I mean if you really put this the way the fans viewed Jerry we'd be at the bottom of the league all the time we'd be picking in the top of the draft all the time that's what bad teams look like that are constantly picking in the top five and even in the top ten the Cowboys are very rarely in this position we're in this year and we suck so bad we still tripped in the seven wins and end up down at 12... And that's where the deleted roster where 60% of our salary cap was on the injured reserve list literally our best players we were on like medical alert using practice squad players in one seven games there are teams out there that wish they could win seven games right now people around here saying we're in for like a big downturn and we're going to only win one to three games next year because that's what they are assuming but that hasn't happened around here in a very long time..

So again, I'm not saying I agree with Jerry or any of his moves or the way he does business and I also agree with some of what you said in the sentiment towards Jerry but some of it is so slanted towards hate and disdain that we use the wrong types of words ,you're typecasting Jerry as the worst GM in the league and is not actually the truth..
 

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The only thing Romo could teach this team is how to "go Hollywood" and go "study in Cabo" during the playoffs.

Oooh, and how to be a gutless, disrespectful prick who breaks up with his girlfriend on her birthday.

Yeah, what a tough guy. Exactly what this team needs as a leader of men.

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
yeah he needs to demolish mansions and build more rich places like Dak
 

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Cool. One or two people responded to the thread I began early this a.m. :laugh:


Here's Tony Romo to David Moore, January 2019, before calling Super Bowl LIII:

"I'm sure one day I'll coach. Right now, I'm happy with where I'm at. I'm enjoying it and I'm lucky to be in this position calling the Super Bowl. You know, I have three young boys at home that I want to be around them and watch them grow up.''

Romo stressed he's "many years away'' from a coaching career. While he doesn't know what it's like to compete in the Super Bowl as a player -- a topic that came up on several occasions Tuesday -- he hopes to project the human side of what a game like this means to the franchises, coaches, players and wives and family involved.

Is taking part in Sunday's game as a broadcaster instead of a quarterback just a different version of the same dream?

"I don't know,'' Romo said. "I never got there. It is one of my biggest disappointments. I wasn't able to do that. You leave your whole body, your heart and everything into it and you try. It's something you have to live with. You give everything you've got and, like anything, you move on.

"I don't look back a ton. Just kind of move on to the next step and next phase and try to make that as great as it can possibly be. You try to be as good as you can be at the next thing.

"When you move on, you just keep doing that. That makes life enjoyable, your ability to improve and get better and be as good as you can be at whatever it is you're doing.''




What to take from this that challenges some of the things I've read in these 10 pages:

1. Yes, in fact, Tony does envision himself coaching eventually.

Now? Maybe not. Probably not. His boys are still pretty young (ages 7, 10 and 12).


2. The failure to get to a Super Bowl is one of his biggest disappointments, straight up. That's not really any surprise to most of us, but apparently to some. He won't get a second chance to get there as a player. But putting 2 and 2 together, it goes without saying that he's imagined a path to still yet get to wear a championship ring.


3. At least as important as any of that... and both of those points are important... is the last part. People have credibly asserted that it's a widely held opinion that Tony's fallen off his broadcast analyst game a bit this past year. Perhaps 2019 Tony just explained to us why that may have been the case... maybe he feels he's "been there done that"... maybe he feels he's gotten to the top of that mountain, and the dopamine rush has faded...

Maybe it's time for "the next thing." No, really. I think we see indicators that Tony's mind is ready to turn to the next chapter.


Don't argue with me. I'm just reading what the man said.

And in fact, to the credit of so many as I read what's accumulated here today in this thread since I posted ahead of a road trip I had scheduled... (home now, thank you... ) you haven't argued with me.

You've protested. Sure. Some of the Romo haters predictably so, and/but some of the Romo-friendly fans also have been less than enthusiastic. And in my best David Helman voice... "It's fine." :p

But very few of the comments I just read argued with something I actually pointed out in the OP. Again. To your credit. Because, indeed, it's hard to argue with anything I said in the OP, other than maybe argue that Jerry doesn't want another Super Bowl win so bad that he'd think about cutting Romo a piece of Dallas Cowboys equity as contractual obligation/incentive clause.

That one, I can't argue because who really knows. I tend to think it's plausible but that the real debate would be more about what the precise percentage would be acceptable to the Joneses (almost certainly microscopic, but even microscopic could be considerable, of course).

"Well, why would he do that for Tony, though?" I propose two reasons combine to answer that, both fundamentally important, neither sufficient on their own.

1. Tony is special in the Joneses' eye. They have a lot of affection for a lot of players and coaches over the decades, sure, but the mutual affection that is held between Tony and Jerry is at least as strong as any, and I propose, strongest of any. Troy, Emmitt and Michael have been sons to them, but those sons have been at times a little contentious toward the Joneses... Jason Garrett was a son to them, okay, absolutely... but Tony? Tony, in my opinion, is the favorite. Tony is Eastern Illinois. Tony is undrafted free agent. Tony is can-do, competitor, you're not going to keep me down for as long as my back lets me, but/and when you replace me, I'm going to make a classy speech and have my say, then sit down and let the rookie take over. They love everything about Tony Romo, and that's reciprocated.

2. Tony makes a lot of money as-is. There is a legit theory that says Tony's not like a lot of us... it's not all about how much he's being paid. He sees life in a bigger picture than just economic. He's made a lot. He's not hurting, and if he ever did hurt, it's not as-if he couldn't get another TV gig again down the road if that's what he chose. Still, it seems unlikely you could expect him to accept such a sizable pay cut without some built-in opportunity to get in the ballpark of what CBS is contractually-bound to pay.

Enter Jerry, who just spent some time dropping hints that he rather likes the idea of constructing a HC contract that employs incentive compensation. And in a sense, for Tony, Tony's more like Jerry's "other much younger" son... this would amount to something like an inheritance... giving the adopted son a piece of the gargantuan pie, rewarding him in a signficant way depending on the significance of that son's success.

What I'm asserting is, in concept, there is solid reason for both sides to think about the framework... though what I'm not asserting is that I know that there is a number that both sides would consider to be adequate.... waaaay too much mind reading beyond me to claim capable of.


Finishing the thought... I think you give the keys to Tony, have his pal Jason running the offense with some help from position coaches they both feel confidence in, based on their experience and insight... and you appeal to Zimmer to come back and serve as DC and, concurrently, a veteran head coach ready and able to give input and guidance early and often... that's a compelling triad. And I suppose to my point... it's not like you have some incredibly better option anyhow. The opportunity cost is low simply because there is no hands-down no-doubter candidate to plug in. Together, these guys would bring high football IQ, wild competitiveness, and/but moreover, as intense a passion to correct the wrong of their playing days as can be found among mere mortals... Romo and Witten in particular hunger/thirst to be able to add Super Bowl to their resume's there can be no objective doubt.

The timing is right to do something very different... very wildcat oilman like.


That's how I see it.
thank you for putting so much time into this.

That interview with Romo pretty much said it all about him. He realizes living is what is morst important. And that your family is the most important part of ones life.
 
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