Brittle talent makes for murky decisions

[erod]

Dez usually hurts himself?

News to me.

He fights for every inch on every play. It beats him up. Last year alone, he had the broken foot, a bad ankle, and a bad knee. He toughed it out, but he was close to useless.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

He fights for every inch on every play. It beats him up. Last year alone, he had the broken foot, a bad ankle, and a bad knee. He toughed it out, but he was close to useless.

Yes. He was injured last year.

Do you know what the word "usually" means?

 

[Stash]

Draft a QB, he'll sit, learn, improve, then be ready. To leave. -Osweiler

Fine, then give me the same two Super Bowl appearances and one championship that Denver got out of it if that's the comparison we're going to make.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

That's the one thing that concerns me about Garrett. No matter how much he learns or what he does...this team doesn't stay healthy under him. Even in 2014, the offense stayed healthy but the defense was a mess with injuries. I like what the San Antonio Spurs have done where they have actually conducted legitimate scientific and statistical research on injuries. They know how to preserve their players and they know how to train their players in order to prevent injuries. It seems like in the NFL, coaches just say 'don't have them play or practice if you want to prevent injuries.' That's their big plan in the entire thing which isn't much of a plan.








YR

 

[Idgit]

That's the one thing that concerns me about Garrett. No matter how much he learns or what he does...this team doesn't stay healthy under him. Even in 2014, the offense stayed healthy but the defense was a mess with injuries. I like what the San Antonio Spurs have done where they have actually conducted legitimate scientific and statistical research on injuries. They know how to preserve their players and they know how to train their players in order to prevent injuries. It seems like in the NFL, coaches just say 'don't have them play or practice if you want to prevent injuries.' That's their big plan in the entire thing which isn't much of a plan.
YR

You do have to wonder if there's not something we could be doing to put ourselves in a better injury position. We dumbed down the defensive scheme to make it easier to pick up. We've gone about putting together a younger team. I don't know the actual numbers, but it doesn't feel like it's paid off in terms of getting healthier the last few seasons.

 

[dfense]

Fine, then give me the same two Super Bowl appearances and one championship that Denver got out of it if that's the comparison we're going to make.

That argument makes no sense. What Manning accomplished has almost nothing to do with Osweiler.

When Romo hits the wall, the Cowboys will go 3-13 or worse. Then they will be in position to draft a top 5 QB.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

You forgot: while he hasnt been brittle, the starting TE is a geezer in football years.

yes true.


But I walk out Jason Witten at age 50., if the guy still wants to play...

Spell him, get Hanna and Swaim and , did Escobar leave yet? , out there every chance you get,


But Witten is our starting TE. He wants to play at age 60, I try to talk him out of it, but he is my starter if he wants to play.

 

[Stash]

That's the one thing that concerns me about Garrett. No matter how much he learns or what he does...this team doesn't stay healthy under him. Even in 2014, the offense stayed healthy but the defense was a mess with injuries. I like what the San Antonio Spurs have done where they have actually conducted legitimate scientific and statistical research on injuries. They know how to preserve their players and they know how to train their players in order to prevent injuries. It seems like in the NFL, coaches just say 'don't have them play or practice if you want to prevent injuries.' That's their big plan in the entire thing which isn't much of a plan.








YR

And it makes you wonder even more when former Cowboys like Ware are singing the praises of other training staffs and their innovative ideas in terms of training and exercise.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Sadly, I think the organization stops at your first two sentences and thinks last year was just a bad dream.

They have an amazing ability to ignore warning signs and overrate the talent on the roster, plus their mortality. That has been an on-going and prevalent tendency for the culture forever. I doubt they are preparing in the slightest for the "unexpected". That would be way outside their narrow scope of thought.

this has been proven to be the case. I think the 12-4 team was the aberration. We are closer to a 7-9 , 8-8 team. And without a QB, were lucky to win 4 freaking games.

 

[Stash]

That argument makes no sense. What Manning accomplished has almost nothing to do with Osweiler.

When Romo hits the wall, the Cowboys will go 3-13 or worse. Then they will be in position to draft a top 5 QB.

Sure it does. But you'd like to cherry pick one player and one situation while trying to leave out all of the other components to it.

And then you'll try to point to your absolute scenario that is likely to never happen and try to pass it off as a given.

Neither argument holds up.

 

[dfense]

In their defense, they have a significant amount of money tied up in Dez, Lee, Romo, Crawford, etc.

They kind of have to bet on their health and contribution, or what's the point of even keeping them. And it is plausible that they could be healthy again this year. Every team gets decimated by injuries certain years.

But I think we all feel the tipping point that exists with this team. We just hold our breath.

And the previous years 12-4 is a product of a fairly healthy all season team. Sometimes the injury bug bites hard.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

That argument makes no sense. What Manning accomplished has almost nothing to do with Osweiler.

When Romo hits the wall, the Cowboys will go 3-13 or worse. Then they will be in position to draft a top 5 QB.

Hopefully, when Romo hits the wall, were going to have a young 2nd/3rd year QB who has been developed over a period of time, to step in and win ball games. And then jell with our OL , WR and hopefully an improved D. and maybe even "win". Instead of going 3-13.......

 

[dfense]

Sure it does. But you'd like to cherry pick one player and one situation while trying to leave out all of the other components to it.

And then you'll try to point to your absolute scenario that is likely to never happen and try to pass it off as a given.

Neither argument holds up.

What's cherry picking? What hand did Osweiler have in Denver's success the last 3 years other than playing in a couple games this year?

 

[JoeBoBBY]

What's cherry picking? What hand did Osweiler have in Denver's success the last 3 years other than playing in a couple games this year?

other than keeping the team in the race for the playoffs?

 

[Richmond Cowboy]

Based on your analysis I think we should draft the best player available who does not have an injury history, is not a bonehead, and provides both immediate and long term impact.

 

[Alexander]

this has been proven to be the case. I think the 12-4 team was the aberration. We are closer to a 7-9 , 8-8 team. And without a QB, were lucky to win 4 freaking games.

We won three with one.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

We won three with one.

I am letting that "really" sink in. And the other win was that goofy game against Wash.


I know the line is thin in the NFL. But you almost have to "try" and be that bad.

 

[dfense]

Hopefully, when Romo hits the wall, were going to have a young 2nd/3rd year QB who has been developed over a period of time, to step in and win ball games. And then jell with our OL , WR and hopefully an improved D. and maybe even "win". Instead of going 3-13.......

I agree, but a QB in another round would be better. Marriota got 21 million as the #2 overall. It's hard for a franchise to pay a guy that money to sit on the bench. Draft a QB in the 2-5 round range, let him learn for a while. Seems to have worked pretty good for Romo.

 

[Stash]

What's cherry picking?

Your 'scenarios' where you want to paint Denver and the Osweiler situation as a cautionary tale when the fact is that the team played in two Suoer Bowls and won one. But you'd like to ignore that fact and paint a picture of something else.

What hand did Osweiler have in Denver's success the last 3 years other than playing in a couple games this year?

As much as he needed to. Or is your next attempt to hold it against him that he was playing behind one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time?

 

[JoeBoBBY]

other than keeping the team in the race for the playoffs?

just wanted to add a comment about Osweiller. I think he does well in Houston. That team is building and , I think so at least, getting ready to challenge the AFCs best teams.