Brittle talent makes for murky decisions

[Stash]

other than keeping the team in the race for the playoffs?

No, he wants to disregard all of that and just try to somehow make Osweiler this 'cautionary tale' for not drafting a quarterback. And he fails.

 

[Stash]

just wanted to add a comment about Osweiller. I think he does well in Houston. That teams is building and , I think so at least, getting ready to challenge for the AFCs best teams.

I'm not sure how well he'll do, but he's likely an improvement, and with that defense now playing well, a great running back addition, and a top receiver in Hopkins, the Texans should easily contend for a weak AFC South.

 

[Stash]

I agree, but a QB in another round would be better. Marriota got 21 million as the #2 overall. It's hard for a franchise to pay a guy that money to sit on the bench. Draft a QB in the 2-5 round range, let him learn for a while. Seems to have worked pretty good for Romo.

Yeah, because the NFL is full of guys like Tony Romo. They grow on trees.

 

[Alexander]

Yeah, because the NFL is full of guys like Tony Romo. They grow on trees.

I bet if Dallas drafts Prescott, someone will think pretty quick, "hey, that's like Romo".

 

[erod]

Yes. He was injured last year.

Do you know what the word "usually" means?

Multiple foot injuries, back problems, knee issues, a broken ankle, a broken hand......

Yes, yes I do.

 

[erod]

That's the one thing that concerns me about Garrett. No matter how much he learns or what he does...this team doesn't stay healthy under him. Even in 2014, the offense stayed healthy but the defense was a mess with injuries. I like what the San Antonio Spurs have done where they have actually conducted legitimate scientific and statistical research on injuries. They know how to preserve their players and they know how to train their players in order to prevent injuries. It seems like in the NFL, coaches just say 'don't have them play or practice if you want to prevent injuries.' That's their big plan in the entire thing which isn't much of a plan.
YR

I think part of the problem is type of player Dallas drafts.

I'm always leary of guys like Sean Lee, who have to work out like banshees to put on weight. If Lee didn't play football and work out all the time, he'd look like just a normal guy. Same for Randy Gregory. Their skeletal structures don't hold that extra weight well without it stressing their frame toward injury. It happened to Tiger Woods, too.

I prefer players like Emmitt or Witten. Just big dudes that are naturally built for the game and can handle the load of it all. Ezekiel Elliott is built like that.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Multiple foot injuries, back problems, knee issues, a broken ankle, a broken hand......

Yes, yes I do.

I'm going to need you to use facts. Before last year Dez had played in 16 games 3 straight years. If you go back another year he played 15 games. His rookie year 6 years ago he did only play in 12 games.

If you're going to call Dez injury prone...you're going to have a tough sell given that over the previous 4 years before last he played in 63 of 64 games for us.

I do hate when facts get in the way of a good rant and metaphor. Bull in the chute. Loved it.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I think part of the problem is type of player Dallas drafts.

I'm always leary of guys like Sean Lee, who have to work out like banshees to put on weight. If Lee didn't play football and work out all the time, he'd look like just a normal guy. Same for Randy Gregory. Their skeletal structures don't hold that extra weight well without it stressing their frame toward injury. It happened to Tiger Woods, too.

I prefer players like Emmitt or Witten. Just big dudes that are naturally built for the game and can handle the load of it all. Ezekiel Elliott is built like that.

I have major questions about the training because of the massive hamstring problem we had for years. It appears to have stopped recently, but something that was so bad that we couldn't prevent for years makes you wonder what else is going on.





YR

 

[erod]

I'm going to need you to use facts. Before last year Dez had played in 16 games 3 straight years. If you go back another year he played 15 games. His rookie year 6 years ago he did only play in 12 games.

If you're going to call Dez injury prone...you're going to have a tough sell given that over the previous 4 years before last he played in 63 of 64 games for us.

I do hate when facts get in the way of a good rant and metaphor. Bull in the chute. Loved it.

He's been hurt a lot, and he's getting older. I didn't say he doesn't play with pain. The dude would play in a full body cast if they'd let him. That's not the point.

But far be it from me to obstruct one of your contrarian mood swings.

 

[erod]

I have major questions about the training because of the massive hamstring problem we had for years. It appears to have stopped recently, but something that was so bad that we couldn't prevent for years makes you wonder what else is going on.

YR

I think PEDs have a major effect on this stuff. And let's face it, half this league is using something.

Some frames can take on weight and muscle, and some can't. I would draft accordingly.

 

[Redball Express]

In their defense, they have a significant amount of money tied up in Dez, Lee, Romo, Crawford, etc.

They kind of have to bet on their health and contribution, or what's the point of even keeping them. And it is plausible that they could be healthy again this year. Every team gets decimated by injuries certain years.

But I think we all feel the tipping point that exists with this team. We just hold our breath.

Yep.

Fragile is as fragile does.

When you watch Romo play..

we all look to see his facial expressions to try to figure out if his back or his shoulder has been effected.

Its a constant drama.

And I just know that one of these days he is going to do that patented move of his where he drops back and turns his back to the defense doing his reverse pivot to get free..

and he's going to be blasted by somebody and that will be it.

He's narrowly missed it happening in the past and he is not getting quicker.

So either we prepare for the possibility or we don't.

I would think the other 52 players would like management to take less risks with their careers by getting some help at the QB position so they at least have a chance to win if Romo doesn't get it done.

They may not have the huge contract a Romo has..but they are no less invested in the team than Romo.

They want the money, endorsements and fame that comes with winning, too.

But if everytime Romo gets hurt out the window goes victory..

..as its said..

"Houston we have a problem.."

 

[big dog cowboy]

I have come to the conclusion that Tony Romo is now not the answer for the present and definitely is a progress - stopper if we don't take a QB with our #4.

 

[dfense]

Your 'scenarios' where you want to paint Denver and the Osweiler situation as a cautionary tale when the fact is that the team played in two Suoer Bowls and won one. But you'd like to ignore that fact and paint a picture of something else.



As much as he needed to. Or is your next attempt to hold it against him that he was playing behind one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time?

It's hard to hold anything against a guy who played in like 5 games and got 72mil out of it. He's my freakin hero.

The entire point of the post reply was Denver drafted, invested time and training in, and then watched him leave. That was all. I'd hate to see the same happen to the Cowboys.

 

[erod]

It's hard to hold anything against a guy who played in like 5 games and got 72mil out of it. He's my freakin hero.

The entire point of the post reply was Denver drafted, invested time and training in, and then watched him leave. That was all. I'd hate to see the same happen to the Cowboys.

Denver decided Osweiler is just a guy. I think they're right. He's Checkdown Charlie just like Weeden and Cassel.

Houston keeps stabbing in the dark at these guys, and falling flat on their face. This time will be an expensive fall.

 

[Stash]

It's hard to hold anything against a guy who played in like 5 games and got 72mil out of it. He's my freakin hero.

The entire point of the post reply was Denver drafted, invested time and training in, and then watched him leave. That was all. I'd hate to see the same happen to the Cowboys.

Yeah, but Denver wasn't helpless. They could have locked Osweiler up long term ahead of this year if they wanted to, and could gave tagged him as well if they worked out a deal with Miller. I see them as a team that put a value on a guy they drafted, developed, and knew well and they weren't going to go beyond those numbers.

Him getting paid what he did furthers shows me how truly valuable the position is. He got all that money based on 7 games work, because he plays a position teams struggle to fill.

 

[Redball Express]

Ok..

You know I am open-minded with my contrarians..

But this is my belief..

I have followed this team for like 50 years.

Never have I ever seen it double down so much on one QB.

He's been here for 10 years and he's convinced the owner he's a phenom..

and he's made himself a multi-millionaire and won THREE playoff games.

Danny White did that well his first year after taking over from Staubach.

So I say what I say with history to support it. And Danny White was not the best QB we had with the Franchise.

So regardless of what people think of Romo..10 years to commit to him is extraordinary in the history of the Franchise or the league for that matter.

when Meredith was around..he replaced Eddie LeBaron after Landry made the move to play him.

Landry drafted Craig Morton and replaced Meredith when Meredith couldn't play due to injuries.

Landry drafted Staubach to prepare him to replace Morton eventually..

Jimmy Johnson drafted Aikman and Steve Walsh to see who could help him win in Dallas.

So I think the natural thing to do is to find Romo's replacement now while the team has a competitive chance to win.

With or without Romo.

Having Romo can't be a Franchise Stopper. It must be an enabling thing.

our chances of winning only go up..not down..if we draft a QB at 4..

That's my point.