Broaddus breaks down Sam

[morasp]

For what its worth, the rams have a good front 4 on defense.

Definitely. I don't even think Aaron Donald was starting for them at the end of the preseason.

 

[Tenkamenin]

The kid has a motor, I presume if he bulks up and gets another yr under his belt he'll see time. I think this will turn out to be a steal.

 

[gimmesix]

I don't have high hopes for Sam, because he doesn't look special to me. But at least in his case, there is a good extenuating reason for teams to have passed on him. He's not your typical 7th rounder that also happened to be available after cut downs. There are guys out there--Vontaze Burfict is probably the best recent example--who are just football playing dudes who's production defies their draft classification. I'm not saying Sam is likely to be one of those guys. Well, I guess I am saying he has a chance to be, and that it just likely wouldn't be at that level. I think he's a guy you have a hard time putting in your defensive rotation, but, if you're thin enough that you actually do, you probably get surprising production from him.
We're so thin at DE, I'll take a look at whatever we can get right now.

Yes, I'm not against that at all, and like the pickup for that reason. There's just no reason for high expectations.

I mean, you never say never with any player because we just don't know, but you can say not likely.

 

[gimmesix]

While I do not think you are wrong; I do think this is a situation where extenuating circumstances could exist.
In short I think Sam was a r4 or r5 value and those guys do turn into legit NFL starters more than rarely.
At one point the Cowboys DL was strong enough that Jason Hatcher was a back up.
The Rams are much stronger than that right now.

We always put different round values on players than when they are taken. The reality is he was a late Round-7 pick, didn't make the Rams' roster and wasn't even picked for their practice squad.

The possibility of him turning into a legit starter is very low, but it doesn't mean it can't happen. I just can't see any reasons to have high expectations. High hopes maybe, but not high expectations.

 

[jterrell]

We always put different round values on players than when they are taken. The reality is he was a late Round-7 pick, didn't make the Rams' roster and wasn't even picked for their practice squad.

The possibility of him turning into a legit starter is very low, but it doesn't mean it can't happen. I just can't see any reasons to have high expectations. High hopes maybe, but not high expectations.

not sure your post is saying anything.

you posited that because a player was a 7th round pick they have a low success ratio. --no disagreement there.
i posited that sam was an outlier and outliers have different draft grades. thus like josh brent(off-field) or even jay ratliff(tweener with 'tude) he may not really be a 7th rounder.

we've already covered not making the rams hardly means you can not play DE in this league this year, much less ever.
making the Rams practice squad could have been by design for Sam but even if it wasn't STL has basically every other positional group on the field besides DL to worry about.
stashing Sam was probably not a major goal.
the Rams rolled out a practice squad that includes two linebackers, two offensive linemen, a quarterback, two safeties, two receivers and a defensive tackle. Their 53-man roster is lighter than normal at all those spots save defensive tackle.

but by all means feel or think whatever you want.
just don't act as if no one suggested sam could play provided he does end up proving himself.
his pre-season work, current team fit and collegiate success say he has a far greater chance than most PS guys.
the guy is actually getting paid to work with rod marinelli which is about as good as it gets for a DE player needing development.

 

[gimmesix]

not sure your post is saying anything.

you posited that because a player was a 7th round pick they have a low success ratio. --no disagreement there.
i posited that sam was an outlier and outliers have different draft grades. thus like josh brent(off-field) or even jay ratliff(tweener with 'tude) he may not really be a 7th rounder.

Wasn't trying to argue with you, because I think we're essentially in agreement. Players can definitely play to a higher level than where they are picked, or a lower level for that matter. Just because he's a seventh-round pick doesn't mean he shouldn't have been picked sooner or possibly not at all. (I do think that I misread your post, believing you were saying he should have been a fourth- or fifth-round pick when we certainly cannot say that's the case.)

We'll see how it plays out.

 

[Echo9]

Right now I would place him on the 53 man roster and release Spencer. Cowboys should make a statement and releasing Spencer and putting Sam in his place would be a good move IMO.

This is the kind of recommendation that can stick with a poster on this board. I haven't slightest idea of how to begin

That would literally accomplish nothing. First off they could've let Spencer walk after the 2013 season since he was franchise tagged and they had no commitment in 2014. They then signed him to a one year, incentive based, low risk, team friendly deal.

What in the world would they gain by releasing him now, after seeing his rehab through and being only a couple weeks away from him playing on Sundays?

In what backwards world does that make any sense at all?

And the Sam signing has NOTHING to do with Spencer's situation.

Right now he's simply a PS guy. The only way he gets called up to the 53 is if he proves he's better than one of the guys already there. Or if someone else gets injured. And that's the way it should be.

Thanks for the reply Proximo. You did a far more polite job than I'd have been able to muster with my palm stuck to my face.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Was this some sort of joke? Statement? What?

What joke? Like Spencer milking the team for up to 10 million a year without playing a down last year? The joke is on the Cowboys who keeps paying for players that don't perform and count for dead money. Too bad its no laughing matter.

 

[ConstantReboot]

That would literally accomplish nothing. First off they could've let Spencer walk after the 2013 season since he was franchise tagged and they had no commitment in 2014. They then signed him to a one year, incentive based, low risk, team friendly deal.

What in the world would they gain by releasing him now, after seeing his rehab through and being only a couple weeks away from him playing on Sundays?

In what backwards world does that make any sense at all?

And the Sam signing has NOTHING to do with Spencer's situation.

Right now he's simply a PS guy. The only way he gets called up to the 53 is if he proves he's better than one of the guys already there. Or if someone else gets injured. And that's the way it should be.

That would literally accomplish nothing. First off they could've let Spencer walk after the 2013 season since he was franchise tagged and they had no commitment in 2014. They then signed him to a one year, incentive based, low risk, team friendly deal.

What in the world would they gain by releasing him now, after seeing his rehab through and being only a couple weeks away from him playing on Sundays?

In what backwards world does that make any sense at all?

And the Sam signing has NOTHING to do with Spencer's situation.

Right now he's simply a PS guy. The only way he gets called up to the 53 is if he proves he's better than one of the guys already there. Or if someone else gets injured. And that's the way it should be.

Will see. Yes I can admit I'm wrong. I just can't stand that we put so much money into Spencer and has not produced for us for several years since his injury.

 

[BIGDen]

What joke? Like Spencer milking the team for up to 10 million a year without playing a down last year? The joke is on the Cowboys who keeps paying for players that don't perform and count for dead money. Too bad its no laughing matter.

So cutting Spencer THIS year, when he's on the verge of returning, somehow sends a message? What?

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Instead of a player who was released and not picked up by anybody on waivers or quickly added to a practice squad.

I always hope for the best for anyone Dallas signs, but the possibility of Sam turning out to be the player some are guaranteeing he will be is very low. There's always an exception or two, but I wouldn't count on it.

Would love to discover the next KGB, but not many of them are out there.

The point of the video analysis was to show what he does bring to the table from a positive viewpoint.

I am not sure who you are referring to as guaranteeing anything about Sam. Haven't seen anyone with expectations of him being great...just being good enough to contribute in a spot where we are weak. If anything, he is most likely a designated pass rusher that will get 10-15 snaps a game, IF he makes it to the active roster.

 

[xwalker]

Will see. Yes I can admit I'm wrong. I just can't stand that we put so much money into Spencer and has not produced for us for several years since his injury.

He was out 1 year (2013). He had 11 sacks in 2012. One year is not several.

 

[gimmesix]

The point of the video analysis was to show what he does bring to the table from a positive viewpoint.

I am not sure who you are referring to as guaranteeing anything about Sam. Haven't seen anyone with expectations of him being great...just being good enough to contribute in a spot where we are weak. If anything, he is most likely a designated pass rusher that will get 10-15 snaps a game, IF he makes it to the active roster.

Fair enough. I haven't seen any expectations of greatness, but there have been some guarantees of him getting on the 53-man roster. Maybe with this sorry group of defensive linemen, he has a chance. After all, Jakar Hamilton and Cameron Lawrence started off last year on the practice squad and neither of them was even drafted.

I'll tone down my naysaying.

 

[Wayne02]

Yes, I'm not against that at all, and like the pickup for that reason. There's just no reason for high expectations.

I mean, you never say never with any player because we just don't know, but you can say not likely.

Blaine Gabbert is never going to be a good player.

 

[gimmesix]

Blaine Gabbert is never going to be a good player.

OK, maybe sometimes you do say never.