Broaddus: "Hearing the club is working the phones right now in an attempt to move a couple of guys"

[Risen Star]

Once again, you're missing the mark by a wide margin because you overvalue everybody else's OL depth.

We *had * to get an OC last season. We were crippled on offense as it was playing our fourth choice there. Getting a healthy guy with starting reps who could pass protect was really, really important.

What we got from Cook could be had on the scrap heap. He was a terrible player. He offered no value. You don't have a hand in the worst performance in team history and be worth any draft pick. We threw that pick away.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Yes, sir, I do. If Romo goes down, god forbid, we are done.

I asked if you had a plan if Romo missed a start or two and this is your answer?

 

[Idgit]

What we got from Cook could be had on the scrap heap. He was a terrible player. He offered no value. You don't have a hand in the worst performance in team history and be worth any draft pick. We threw that pick away.

Right. Which player was it you wanted in his place, or had he not been available as a free agent again?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

What we got from Cook could be had on the scrap heap. He was a terrible player. He offered no value. You don't have a hand in the worst performance in team history and be worth any draft pick. We threw that pick away.

Tyron Smith. Not worth a draft pick. According to Risen anyways.

 

[Risen Star]

Right. Which player was it you wanted in his place, or had he not been available as a free agent again?

You seem to not get my point. Any player could have done what he did. David Arkin could have started at C last year and been just as effective.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

That's ridiculous and short sighted. What if Romo goes down in week 16 during a win or go home game and we're behind by 14?

In that scenario?

We lose.

 

[Idgit]

You seem to not get my point. Any player could have done what he did. David Arkin could have started at C last year and been just as effective.

Sorry, you're confusing my seeming not to get your point with you actually having one. David Arkin obviously could not have been as effective starting at OC last season, and we all saw it. 'Any player other than the one we played' sure sounds nice to a handful of angry fans who are going to be mad at what the team does no matter what, but it's not a constructive criticism.

Ryan Cook is obviously very limited as a player. That's not the same thing as him not being worth a 7th round pick the following season given the circumstances we were in heading into week one last season.

 

[perrykemp]

Tyron Smith. Not worth a draft pick. According to Risen anyways.

Not yet -- but he can still justify that top 10 pick by becoming an elite LT this season.

 

[Risen Star]

Sorry, you're confusing my seeming not to get your point with you actually having one. David Arkin obviously could not have been as effective starting at OC last season, and we all saw it. 'Any player other than the one we played' sure sounds nice to a handful of angry fans who are going to be mad at what the team does no matter what, but it's not a constructive criticism.

Ryan Cook is obviously very limited as a player. That's not the same thing as him not being worth a 7th round pick the following season given the circumstances we were in heading into week one last season.

It's real simple. Sorry if it offends your delicate psyche. The level of play that Ryan Cook played at last year can be obtained with a street free agent. Any backup OL on your roster can pinch hit at C for you and be just as awful. He didn't hold the line together. It fell apart. We accomplished nothing in that trade other than to give away a draft pick.

As for having a rational point, I'll file this one away with your AOA wasn't a bust gem.

 

[Hardline]

Idgit clearly won this debate.

 

[Idgit]

It's real simple. Sorry if it offends your delicate psyche. The level of play that Ryan Cook played at last year can be obtained with a street free agent. Any backup OL on your roster can pinch hit at C for you and be just as awful. He didn't hold the line together. It fell apart. We accomplished nothing in that trade other than to give away a draft pick.

As for having a rational point, I'll file this one away with your AOA wasn't a bust gem.

If you're going to make stuff up, at least go to the trouble to find a random C who was cut last year and pretend that's the guy you'd prop up, instead. I mean, somebody better than David Arkin, since we all saw David Arkin play C and we know that's pure reactionary bunk.

But, at least pick a name. I won't be able to disprove it, because it's so easy to be critical and hide out in an unprovable hypothetical. But it's generally considered good form to at least pull a players name out of your backside if you're just making things up.

Then, I can say that player would have been worse, and you can say he would have been so much better, and wouldn't have cost us a pick, and we'll be at our regular healthy impasse.

 

[Idgit]

Idgit clearly won this debate.

You know, rereading everything carefully, and trying to be as objective as possible, I have to say that this post is highly accurate. Risen Star, however, might think that anybody could have won that debate. And that's tough to disprove.

 

[Risen Star]

If you're going to make stuff up, at least go to the trouble to find a random C who was cut last year and pretend that's the guy you'd prop up, instead. I mean, somebody better than David Arkin, since we all saw David Arkin play C and we know that's pure reactionary bunk.

But, at least pick a name. I won't be able to disprove it, because it's so easy to be critical and hide out in an unprovable hypothetical. But it's generally considered good form to at least pull a players name out of your backside if you're just making things up.

Then, I can say that player would have been worse, and you can say he would have been so much better, and wouldn't have cost us a pick, and we'll be at our regular healthy impasse.

I'm not saying any player would be better. I'm saying nobody you put in there would have been worse than Cook. There has to be a drop off from Cook to a street free agent to justify the trade. There wasn't.

You have to be able to say, it's a good thing they got Cook or else......what? It was the worst OL performance in team history. What did he do for the team? Absolutely nothing.

That might be your definition of a good trade (if the team wears the right colors of course), but it's not mine.

 

[LarryCanadian]

Risen, we were decimated at Center in particular and had (still have) very questionable depth across entire oline. We picked up a veteran player in Cook that could play every position across the oline (and I think he played center and OT for us during season - or at least pre-season).
Wasn't Cook our starting center against the Giants in our impressive Game 1 Victory last season, after little to no time to prepare. That alone was worth a 7th round pick. I remember he had an EXCELLENT game against NY Game 1.
I think the Cook move was well worth it last year. At least the guy could snap! Sheesh.

 

[Little Jr]

What we got from Cook could be had on the scrap heap. He was a terrible player. He offered no value. You don't have a hand in the worst performance in team history and be worth any draft pick. We threw that pick away.

that makes no sense.

 

[Fredd]

Nate Livings was moved to IR, freeing up a spot for Jones.

I thought Livings was one of the guys put on IR to help get to the 53? ih? as long as they got their 53 and can still tweak it

 

[Fredd]

IMO, Cook was certainly worth a 7th round pick....he did play well in Game #1 last year without ANY camp with the team...he also was (is) able to play multiple positions as a back-up (not starter material)

IMO, what else were we going to do with that 7th round pick? Was that going to be the OL savior pick? There was no one at that spot that was going to make Cook look expendable either in 2012 or in the future....you can get lucky with a 7th round pick so getting value isn't unheard of, but most 7th rounders are just that, a 7th rounder that you never hear from...at least we got minimal value from cook

 

[onlyonenow]

Risen you are wrong about Cook. We got a guy that was serviceable for a 7th and got him just in time. Best deal we made last year.

Now he is only a backup and that is all but a very versatile one. Sometimes you miss the forest for the trees.

and you are also wrong about Arkin being able to start; even after one more offseason of work he still is not a starter or frankly close to it. You do know there is a reason he has never been active, right?