Broaddus on Arkin

[CoCo]

As an aside, the first few posts in this thread are good examples of how "positive" posters can be very negative.

Agreed. The "it can't be so because I read on cowboyszone... " posts are just more fuel for the fire.

Love couchscouts quote that goes something like... "Treat everyone like a gentlemen. Not because they are, but because you are." Tough to do, but a very wise saying nonetheless.

 

[baj1dallas]

Whatever. Everything I saw was NOT impressive. The guy might not have been beaten instantly every play but he did NOTHING good. And being a step above horrible is not going to win you games in this league.

I don't get why people want to act like Arkin is some great player. He's not. If he were the starting center for the Cowboys this season, they would be bad. Period.

 

[Kangaroo]

I tried to temper the anti-Arkin mob last night (I mean the dude's only been playing center for over a week) in the game thread, but of course, all the GM's had him cut by the end of the 1st quarter.

Which is why they are not a GM or a scout they have to much invested emotionally into the team it is snap judgements and while they scream for player development which is fools gold they lack the patient to let it develop. A lot of people had Church run out of town the last two years and yet they brought him a long in a steady development and he has contributed in a positive manner for the last several years.

 

[Kangaroo]

Whatever. Everything I saw was NOT impressive. The guy might not have been beaten instantly every play but he did NOTHING good. And being a step above horrible is not going to win you games in this league.

I don't get why people want to act like Arkin is some great player. He's not. If he were the starting center for the Cowboys this season, they would be bad. Period.

What they see is a guy that can develop into a good player which is what you want to see a guy progress. If you get a 4th round pick to contribute in any fashion in the draft it is a win and if they ever start and contribute at a solid level it is a double win.

 

[baj1dallas]

For a guy from a small school, in his maybe 80th preseason snap, first time playing against starters? Average is great given that he is bound to improve.

So if Arkin is the starting center week 1, do we expect the opposing nosetackle to back off a little, maybe give a count of 3 mississippi before he starts rushing, since Arkin is really a year away?

 

[skinsscalper]

Strum doesn't exactly share Broaddus' view on Arkin. I posted the entire link in the news zone, but the reports are polar opposites.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm a little suspicious of Broaddus. He's been a huge Arkin fan from the time we drafted him, and he's not the type to be very objective once he's formed an opinion.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So if Arkin is the starting center week 1, do we expect the opposing nosetackle to back off a little, maybe give a count of 3 mississippi before he starts rushing, since Arkin is really a year away?

Yeah that's what I was saying.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm a little suspicious of Broaddus. He's been a huge Arkin fan from the time we drafted him, and he's not the type to be very objective once he's formed an opinion.

He's been dogging Arkin on Talking Cowboys for the last 3 weeks.

 

[Kangaroo]

Strum doesn't exactly share Broaddus' view on Arkin. I posted the entire link in the news zone, but the reports are polar opposites.

I will trust couchscout on this one but that is me.

 

[Frosty]

I'm a little suspicious of Broaddus. He's been a huge Arkin fan from the time we drafted him, and he's not the type to be very objective once he's formed an opinion.

Arkin did a heck of lot better during the Raider's game then he was doing in practice. During practice he kept fumbling the snap. So what ever the coaches or Romo did, must of worked for the game.

 

[cowboysooner]

Please sign holland. A frontline of livings bernadeux and holland is experienced and might root out some defensive linemen.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

If it came down to Costa or Arkin, I'll go Arkin.

Got to agree at this point.

Now that could just be because I'm completely bias against Costa because I absolutely can't stand him and have zero faith in his ability to play well.

 

[jjktkk]

Whatever. Everything I saw was NOT impressive. The guy might not have been beaten instantly every play but he did NOTHING good. And being a step above horrible is not going to win you games in this league.

I don't get why people want to act like Arkin is some great player. He's not. If he were the starting center for the Cowboys this season, they would be bad. Period.

I'm having trouble finding who exactly on here said Arkin was a great player? And how exactly were you expecting Arkin's 1st game, ever, playing center to turn out?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

My rule of thumb on player evals is to ignore what is said on this site unless it comes from a credible poster.

A rule of thumb in discerning credible posters is to ignore those posters who are adamant, no doubt, worst this, worst that, etc. The same can generally be applied to people who declare a player best this, best that, etc.

Discuss player evals with people capable of having reasonable and respectful discourse. Ignore all others.

You just have to ignore the knee-jerk folks. There are no two ways about it. Don't try to change their mind. Ignore them.

Excellent post.

 

[Dhragon]

What a cherry picking crowd some of you are. I refer you to the Sturm article also posted in the news zone "The Morning After: Center of Attention." Quote from it:

Now, on to the meat of this post. Let's talk center:

First of all, I am really enjoying the thoughts and reviews of so many in the media on Twitter or websites that indicate that David Arkin did a nice job last night. I believe this is generally because he did not have any sloppy snaps and limited moments where he stopped the game because of a penalty. I also believe our bar around here for what constitutes a good job from the center position must be very low.

He did not play very well. He was overpowered at the point of attack on several occasions.

It goes on. Read the article yourselves. Of course, since some just want to be happy fans, they will say Sturm is stupid but Broadass is a genius to validate their own opinion. There can be different opinions. Some of you will go with the Broadass, some with the Sturm. I side with Sturm.

 

[Kangaroo]

What a cherry picking crowd some of you are. I refer you to the Sturm article also posted in the news zone "The Morning After: Center of Attention." Quote from it:

Now, on to the meat of this post. Let's talk center:

First of all, I am really enjoying the thoughts and reviews of so many in the media on Twitter or websites that indicate that David Arkin did a nice job last night. I believe this is generally because he did not have any sloppy snaps and limited moments where he stopped the game because of a penalty. I also believe our bar around here for what constitutes a good job from the center position must be very low.

He did not play very well. He was overpowered at the point of attack on several occasions.

It goes on. Read the article yourselves. Of course, since some just want to be happy fans, they will say Sturm is stupid but Broadass is a genius to validate their own opinion. There can be different opinions. Some of you will go with the Broadass, some with the Sturm. I side with Sturm.

Ok we have strum saying one thing, Broddaus and Couchscout saying another. So how is it cherry picking they said he needs to improve and that he was not great but that he was not the disaster people made it out to be and from the past posting and info I trusted his opinion over Strum or Broadass. I am trying to figure out how I am cherry picking I have three resources I read and I know which one I trust the most out of the three and 2 of the three agreed.

It is what it is a guy playing his first game ever at center with what a grand total of two weeks of practice. He played better than I thought he would. I also believe Costa would have played better than Akrin. I am not bias towards Costa like some.

 

[jnday]

What a cherry picking crowd some of you are. I refer you to the Sturm article also posted in the news zone "The Morning After: Center of Attention." Quote from it:

Now, on to the meat of this post. Let's talk center:

First of all, I am really enjoying the thoughts and reviews of so many in the media on Twitter or websites that indicate that David Arkin did a nice job last night. I believe this is generally because he did not have any sloppy snaps and limited moments where he stopped the game because of a penalty. I also believe our bar around here for what constitutes a good job from the center position must be very low.

He did not play very well. He was overpowered at the point of attack on several occasions.

It goes on. Read the article yourselves. Of course, since some just want to be happy fans, they will say Sturm is stupid but Broadass is a genius to validate their own opinion. There can be different opinions. Some of you will go with the Broadass, some with the Sturm. I side with Sturm.

I am not and will never be a happy fan, but I will say Arkin played okay considering that he has practiced the position less than two weeks. Arkin showed guts. I would much rather have him on a team than Costa. Arkin has more upside. I have seen Costa get tossed around like a ragdoll and screw up on his snaps in the same play. At least Arkin snapped the ball without problems. Center play was not that good in the game, but there was not a true center playing for the Cowboys. Nobody is saying Arkin played great, he just made the best out of a bad situation.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Broaddus is a franchise shill, his "opinion" is dicatated by higher powers and means absolutely nothing.

 

[AbeBeta]

What a cherry picking crowd some of you are. I refer you to the Sturm article also posted in the news zone "The Morning After: Center of Attention." Quote from it:

Now, on to the meat of this post. Let's talk center:

First of all, I am really enjoying the thoughts and reviews of so many in the media on Twitter or websites that indicate that David Arkin did a nice job last night. I believe this is generally because he did not have any sloppy snaps and limited moments where he stopped the game because of a penalty. I also believe our bar around here for what constitutes a good job from the center position must be very low.

He did not play very well. He was overpowered at the point of attack on several occasions.

It goes on. Read the article yourselves. Of course, since some just want to be happy fans, they will say Sturm is stupid but Broadass is a genius to validate their own opinion. There can be different opinions. Some of you will go with the Broadass, some with the Sturm. I side with Sturm.

There is really no inconsistencies in these reports. Just how much context is applied.

Brian is evaluating Arkin as a 2nd year player, from a small school who we drafted as a long term developmental guy. He is the 5th option behind Costa, Kowalski, Nagy, and Bern coming in. Three or so weeks later, he has to play center. In that context, he did pretty well.

Of course, context doesn't win games. Sturm is evaluating Arkin as a guy starting at center for an NFL team. In that context, he sucked.

What does this tell us? Not much. Arkin, in his first try, was not great. That doesn't tell us much. Few guys come in and rock it. I expect you'd find few players with Arkin's background who could come in and do better though.

Me, I see I guy who came in. He battled and got eaten up by better players. He's a year away still but he could contribute here.