Broaddus on Arkin

[xwalker]

The fact you can put a hand in his chest and throw him off balance is problematic as well. Jam him in the sternum and he's toast. His hips and his lower back can't handle it.

That is a secondary issue. Most OL can't handle it if they allow the defender to get up into their body. There is a reason that arm length is a significant issue with OLine draft prospects.

 

[jterrell]

Someone needs to tell that to Garrett, Pollack, and Callahan.



http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/a...aluation/bdf6225b-41af-4bb8-afcc-bf56285b2395

only issue with that take is what he described in that play is not a traditional zone scheme but a man/zone scheme. they basically take the man in that area and win the one on one battle as described to create a hole.

leary and frederick are hardly the fleet-footed zone blockers of shanahan.

callahan has always used maulers in his scheme. they simply slide one step and man block. very different from cut blocks and roll blocks and escape blocks to get to the 2nd level.

 

[jnday]

only issue with that take is what he described in that play is not a traditional zone scheme but a man/zone scheme. they basically take the man in that area and win the one on one battle as described to create a hole.

leary and frederick are hardly the fleet-footed zone blockers of shanahan.

callahan has always used maulers in his scheme. they simply slide one step and man block. very different from cut blocks and roll blocks and escape blocks to get to the 2nd level.

Thank you for posting this. There was a big debate before the draft becsuse some posters insisted that players like Fluker and Frederick wouldn't be on the Cowboys draft board because they didn't fit the zone blocking system. These players don't fit a zone system like the Texans or Commanders run, but Dallas doesn't run that type of zone blocking. I can't stand Callahan, but at least he doesn't fill the line with a bunch of 290lb linemen.

 

[xwalker]

There was no question that offensive line assistant Frank Pollack hit the ground running when camp opened last Friday and some of his influences were felt early with the line. The majority of his coaching background was spent with the Houston Texans and their ability to run the zone scheme with mastery. Jason Garrett spoke on Friday after the morning practice about the club has run the zone scheme at various times during the season but now with Pollack in the building he can bring a different view point of how to make it really hum. After an individual period of play after play of working on technique with their steps and head placements directed by Pollack and Callahan, the first running play out of the blocks went zone to the right.

On the play Ronald Leary, Travis Frederick and D.J. Hall all took hard steps, got into their blocks which allowed Kendial Lawrence to hit the crease getting right into the second level for a nice gain. As the camp progressed, there were signs where the blocking improved and for a team that struggled to successfully run the ball, his addition to the staff will be welcomed.

 

[jterrell]

Thank you for posting this. There was a big debate before the draft becsuse some posters insisted that players like Fluker and Frederick wouldn't be on the Cowboys draft board because they didn't fit the zone blocking system. These players don't fit a zone system like the Texans or Commanders run, but Dallas doesn't run that type of zone blocking. I can't stand Callahan, but at least he doesn't fill the line with a bunch of 290lb linemen.

The scheme Callahan runs is same as what Nick Saban runs at Bama.
Works pretty nicely with big, strong guys.

I am a basketball coach so way I would relate it is a match up zone versus either a pure man to man or pure zone team. You have a zone but then find the man closest to that zone and beat him.

Why is it different?

Because the Shanahan ZBS stuff is about a specific spot on the field. It is like playing a 2-3 zone in basketball defense. You stay in your area or a defender can crease your gap and make big plays. Under Callahan it is still winning the 6 on 6 battle of the trenches. You still go get a man.

Look at the guys Callahan had a hand in bringing in. All big guys. Not a single Arkin in that bunch. Bern, Livings, Leary, Frederick. Not a strength issue amongst that group. They are all VERY strong. They have issues almost universally with quickness. But one way to alleviate quickness concerns is by getting the jump on a guy. Knowing where your going and getting there at the snap.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The Cowboys had Long as a 4th rounder which seems about right.

The OLinemen that were drafted drastically higher or lower than I had them rated were:

Pugh: #19 overall, my rating was mid round pick.
Long: #20 overall, my rating was mid round pick.
Alvin Bailey: UDFA, my rating was mid round pick.
Fluker: #11 overall, my rating was 2nd round pick.

I had Long as a 2nd round pick and climbing. A lot of teams like that guy. If he had not had a few flags in his past, he would have been rated a 1st round pick all along IMO. He has a lot of natural ability.

 

[jterrell]

I had Long as a 2nd round pick and climbing. A lot of teams like that guy. If he had not had a few flags in his past, he would have been rated a 1st round pick all along IMO. He has a lot of natural ability.

he does have some natural talent but he also is an og/ot tweener with terrible technique at an advanced draft age; 24.

he is one of the tallest OGs in football and yet can't be trusted IMO at OT due to technique issues.

he may have been the biggest boom or bust player at the combine. he only had 4 career college starts of FCS football.

there is lots of talk of his athleticism but he is a pedestrian athlete compared to terron armstead. good DTs will be able to get under him at 6'6" and change is my guess. i think he is really a two or three year project at RT. round 5 or round 6 guy for me and one I wouldn't have touched in this deep draft class until round 6 at the earliest.

 

[Staggerlee]

BB, are there any scouts here left over from the early 90s?

He mentioned on a show before that Ciskowski was the scout that drafted Larry Allen.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I had Long as a 2nd round pick and climbing. A lot of teams like that guy. If he had not had a few flags in his past, he would have been rated a 1st round pick all along IMO. He has a lot of natural ability.

I get that but my issue is that so was Terron Armstead. He was raw too coming from a small school but he played 4 years and made all conference 3 years in a row. He has no character concerns.

Long played 1 year at Oregon and was a DE before moving to OL, was kicked out of FSU and has a history of being an alcoholic and substance abuser.

He has pedigree but all I saw was a grabber with a father who is rich and famous.

 

[burmafrd]

He mentioned on a show before that Ciskowski was the scout that drafted Larry Allen.

certainly a resume builder. But then again anyone with any kind of sight could have spotted LA as someone with immense potential. His measureables were truly off the chart.