Brooking vs. Garrett vs. Adversity

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well said. that was a good read indeed

this team really thought they were doing addition by subtraction when they got rid of owens and ellis but they were dead wrong.

those guys would have only been a plus for this team this season. theres still other underlining problems but they couldve helped

i feel the same way about spencer. theres guys you watch and feel they just play because growing up they were good at it

and then theres those who play because they love it.

spencer reminds me of eddie curry who plays for my knicks.a guy that has all the physical tools but doesnt seem to motivate or push himself. he doesnt have the desire to be great. hes just content.
 
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GOLDENCHILD1688;2995282 said:
well said. that was a good read indeed

this team really thought they were doing addition by subtraction when they got rid of owens and ellis but they were dead wrong.

those guys would have only been a plus for this team this season. theres still other underlining problems but they couldve helped

i feel the same way about spencer. theres guys you watch and feel they just play because growing up they were good at it

and then theres those who play because they love it.

spencer reminds me of eddie curry who plays for my knicks.a guy that has all the physical tools but doesnt seem to motivate or push himself. he doesnt have the desire to be great. hes just content.

I'm glad we agree about Spencer, but I've got a follow-up question for you that's bothered me for years. Would you rather have a team of very talented players who only played for the money and without passion. Or, would you rather a much less talented roster that always played their hearts out? Which team would have greater success in the long run?
 

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TheWarrenReport;2994019 said:
Professionally put, DandyDon. ; ) (Thanks for the kind words.) I may be crazy, but it breaks my heart that you are so right about Spencer. I don't think he's a bad guy, just an indifferent one... and I find that more troubling than Bobby Carpenter's third-down field presence.

I must say you have one hell of a mind and a skill for articulating what it is you're able to conjure inside that noggin.

Speaking of shame, it is a shame you only have 15 posts here!!! :laugh2: That must change.

You bring up a lot of great points, all of which had me nodding my head as I read. A few add-on thoughts of mine:

1) I really wonder how much that Seattle game still haunts Romo. Had he demonstrated that body behavior before that game? It seems to creep up every bad game now.

2) Speaking of that game, I think one of my biggest regrets as I sit here right now is that he never had an opportunity to be coached by Parcells AFTER that game. Parcells bailed, and I'm sure Romo feels partially responsible, and I can't help but wonder if he's never been able to exile those demons in part because Parcells wasn't here? He never had a chance to redeem himself in Parcells' eyes. Instead, Homer Simpson takes over and Romo must basically deal with the grief all by himself. Just a thought.

3) Your praise of Brooking is spot on -- and his answers to the press yesterday are precisely why I despise Bradie James as a leader of this team. James is a fine man, a solid player and he tries hard. But he's no leader. All he does in times of crises is offer up more questions, excuses and provide more built-in reasons for why things could continue to go wrong. He's a quality player but he's no leader. Ellis was the same way. The sooner James (and Newman) is no longer a mouthpiece for this defense, the better, for that could indicate a new leader -- and a new way of thinking -- has taken over the locker room.

4) Ultimately, our problems are repeated because of the man running the show. I'm no Jerry basher. I am eternally grateful for the three Super Bowls. It's just that I would like continued success and not have to rely on the 90s as what I can hang my hat on as a sports fan for the next 20 years. My problem with Jerry? Throw out all the obvious digs -- he's no football guy, he's in it to make money, etc. My problem is he once was a free-slingin' maverick who danced to his own beat. He's now reactionary, going by yesterday's trends when making moves. You could almost say he's been Romo'd.
 

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Blame that on the scouts then because we should never draft a player with those character traits.

His visit to Wade's office on Hard Knocks last year told me all I needed to know about him and Wade.

And blame Jerry for unnecessarily handing over a starting job to this goober. He's a career backup -- a mere speck on the face of the NFL. At optimum performance, he appears good for a couple sacks and a few nice plays in coverage and the steady outing here and there a season. And we gifted this guy a starting job.

Maybe Ellis had to go. I can't necessarily disagree given his oddly gloomy outlook on all things life. But we should have damn well had a better replacement in mind.

Spencer and Carpenter can share the same bus(t) ride out of town.
 

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I thought grabbing a face while trying to make a play, getting your first sack of the season was a sign of effort. I thought getting back in coverage being close to 260 lbs and barely failing to make an int on a play in which you were so much in position, it was unarguable a poor decision to throw the ball, was a sign of effort. I thought Spencer put 3 more hits on the QB throughout the game, including one on the goal line against Ryan Clady in the 1st half, was a sign of effort. But what do I know, the writers have it all figured out. :rolleyes:

Even Brad and Babe were bashing Spencer relentlessly throughout the radio broadcast.
 

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Excellent post. I totally agree on everything said about Garrett.

Only problem I have with the post is I didn't see a link for part 1.
 
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RainMan;2995458 said:
And blame Jerry for unnecessarily handing over a starting job to this goober. He's a career backup -- a mere speck on the face of the NFL. At optimum performance, he appears good for a couple sacks and a few nice plays in coverage and the steady outing here and there a season. And we gifted this guy a starting job.

Maybe Ellis had to go. I can't necessarily disagree given his oddly gloomy outlook on all things life. But we should have damn well had a better replacement in mind.

Spencer and Carpenter can share the same bus(t) ride out of town.

Carpenter is always a step late for every play and not even a sure tackle. Worse, I can't even tell if he's hungry. He may be the same as Spencer... with less natural talent. I'll buy them the Greyhound tix if we can give more playing time to Victor Butler, Jason Williams and Steve Octavien. I don't know that they'll be worlds better, but Butler and Octavien, at least, have shown a greater intensity in their limited game time.
 

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TheWarrenReport;2995450 said:
I'm glad we agree about Spencer, but I've got a follow-up question for you that's bothered me for years. Would you rather have a team of very talented players who only played for the money and without passion. Or, would you rather a much less talented roster that always played their hearts out? Which team would have greater success in the long run?

I would much rather root for a team that was not that talented, but give it their all every play. Even if they knew the other team was more talented, they still gave it their all and left everything on the field.

Even in a loss, I would feel good about the team and the effort they gave.


What we have in Dallas is just sickening. The team that I love is full of players that are more worried about what type of car they drive and how many hot chicks they can bang or how much signing bonus they can get on their next contract, ect....

When I see guys laughing and smiling on our sideline after just blowing a game in which they had a 10pt lead, it makes me sick. When I see guys like Bobby Carpenter always standing over a pile because he doesnt want to get his uniform dirty, it makes me sick. When I see Ken Hamlin out of postion and whiffing on tackle after tackle after tackle and then talking after the game talking about how the defense needs to play better, it makes me sick.

When I hear reports of Cowboy players celebrating the end of the season on the plane ride back from Philly last year, a game in which most of the players simply gave up, it makes me sick.

Players like Aikman, Irvin, and Emmitt cared about the game and played for the love of the game, not the money. Emmitt played in a game against the Giants after seperating his shoulder in the 1st quarter. He could not even move his arm and his teammates had to pick him up off the ground after each carry. Contrast that to Roy Williams standing on the sideline all by himself watching the final drive of the game because his ribs were sore. The only way I would not have been on that field at that point in the game was if I was being taken off the field on a stretcher!!! I would have loved to see Roy grow some balls and say "if I can walk, I can play" and sucked it up like Emmitt did.
 

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TheWarrenReport;2993908 said:
THE SHAME GAME

It is easier to find ways to lose than win. And, over the past couple of seasons, it often seems Jason Garrett has stuffed the Cowboys playbook with Ivy League strategies for defeat. Yesterday, the coordinator's offensive modifier took on an unfortunate double meaning. Fans and critics are right to question his final two, goal-line calls that doomed Dallas to a 10-17 heart-breaker in Denver. While there were countless penalties and questionable calls prior to these tactical miscues and some horrendous clock management — at the end of both halves — the team still had a chance to tie (and thus win), with seconds to go and the best-possible field position to do so. They tried, they failed. Worse, they looked foolish doing so. They ought be ashamed. Clearly some are. But Shame is fickle: it inspires some and conquers others.

A loss is a loss no matter how it's accrued. No one credits the 2008 Detroit Lions for any moral victories. They were winless. That's what was recorded and that's what we'll remember. And as that hapless team proved just as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers did decades earlier, losing can be habit-forming. But why? Is it lack of talent or a troubled mindset, an unconscious indulgence of "negative visualization?"

The Cowboys are confounding because they don't lose all the time, just half the time. They have proven their ferocious inconsistency over the past 24 games. Their 12-12 tally during this stretch suggesting they are no more capable of stringing together back-to-back victories, than a praying mantis's mate might score a second date. So, it is reasonable to assume they have enough ability to win but not the will power to execute when they must.

The Dallas defense improves weekly, fueled, I suspect, by Keith Brooking whose post-game comments reflect a positive response to Shame. Despite his personal, on-field success, he recognizes that he and his teammates must still do more. Practice harder. Play harder. Accept nothing but the desired results. He did not celebrate his fourth-down run stuff with the press, he focused on the plays that slipped away and how to insure they won't happen again. He hounded the Broncos from sideline to sideline, hurdling some to make tackles no one would have blamed him had he missed. (Wouldn't you love to hear Anthony Spencer state a similar desire to refocus this week or acknowledge his uncanny capacity for the near-miss big play?)

But its tough to blame the 'Boys' defense. Considering the presumed firepower of the offense, Dallas should still have been able to win. Thus, we turn to an offensive unit which could score only one touchdown while handing seven points right back to the opponents when Tony Romo coughed up the ball on a blind-side hit that everyone felt coming but him. It has become as easy to pick apart the quarterback as it is for Champ Bailey to pick him off... and this warranted criticism may itself be the root of Romo's infuriating play under pressure. If anything, he puts too much on himself. He's begun to hear voices (like Roy Williams may begin hearing footsteps after having been hung out mid-field in the fourth quarter). Jason Witten has alluded to his buddy's internalization of defeat and if you revisit his reaction to the Seattle Slip, it seems clear that he takes it all very personally. Then, when he attempts to play it off — as he did so last year, reacting to the season-ending loss to the Eagles with an oratorial ineptitude matched only by Miss South Carolina in 2007 — he is chastised more harshly. (Trust that I believe, deservedly so.) In all the off-season chatter about leadership, he overlooked the most important element that it is not so much what you say as what you do. The answers don't matter, the attitude does. Romo is so concerned about making the right choices — whether when addressing reporters or reading defenses — that he is disassembling the very traits that made him successful in his first season. He is an instinctive player who is allowing Shame to change him rather than charge him.

Jason Garrett is victim of his self-regard as well. Originally touted as a boy-genius, only to have the title stripped after last year's late-season meltdowns, the OC's become pre-occupied with restoring his rep rather than doing whatever it may take to win. How else to explain his bull-headed goal-line play-calling against both the Broncos and, a week earlier, the Panthers? Versus Carolina, a single run would have sufficed. Versus Denver, give Witten or Williams a shot at the game-tying touchdown. (If Roy's the anointed number one receiver, he ought be on the field no matter how much his ribs might ache.) Garrett seems intent on proving his smarts when all Dallas need do is dominate. As much as I admired the finesse of Tom Landry's teams, at some point, at the goal line, brute force tops brain power. Garrett is allowing Shame — and his professional stock value, perhaps — to dictate strategy rather than Garrett allowing his best players a chance to dictate the outcomes in squeakers.

I empathize. I have experienced Shame on levels multiplied by a "nurtured" self-loathing and a wavering sense of worth. In good times, my ego overrides Shame's heckling. I hear its jeers as challenges. That's easy. But in crisis, as I am now, as the Cowboys are now, Shame's critiques are amplified and I am felled, temporarily paralyzed, incapable of drowning out the droning self-doubt it conjures. I will try to follow Keith Brooking's example. No, I will follow his example. First, I will disavow the disclaimer "try to," permitting myself only the possibility of betterment. I will place my failures behind me more rapidly and resolutely, refusing to succumb to the grief they have and can inflict. Instead, I will acknowledge these mistakes but refuse to repeat them, judging myself only on my record from here on out.

Today is the first day of the rest of the season. The Cowboys can choose to linger on their disappointing play and replicate these results week in and week out. Or, they can make a contract with themselves to forbid the Shame of under-achievement to sabotage their playoff potential. On any given Sunday, Dallas can beat any other team in the league. On any given Sunday, Shame, handled wisely, can help them win.

(Note that this is part four of an ongoing series. To read Lesson #1, please click here.)

Excellent post my friend, one of the best I have ever seen on here.
 

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TheWarrenReport;2994232 said:
Yup. I never had a problem with Ellis, for many of the same reasons I never had that much of an issue with T.O. For all their blather, it was clear both desperately want(ed) to win and believed they are/were vital to achieving that goal. And, frankly, they backed it up with better-than-average play.

By the way, do you know if or how much playing time Victor Butler saw yesterday? Or, Jason Williams? Were they both minimized to special teams play?

I don't know, but I would like to see Victor Butler get some more time in there. I believe he's going to be a good one. Almost all of our draftees from this off-season are the types of players that you described -- the blue collar, work hard, high motor, and high character hungry players with a desire to win.
 
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casmith07;2995515 said:
I don't know, but I would like to see Victor Butler get some more time in there. I believe he's going to be a good one. Almost all of our draftees from this off-season are the types of players that you described -- the blue collar, work hard, high motor, and high character hungry players with a desire to win.

I'm just surprised we didn't see more of the young lbs on Sunday. Given the mile high conditions and the lackluster play of the starters, I was certain Butler, Williams and Octavien would see the field more. Seems their youthful enthusiasm and blue-collar work ethics would be a huge plus. If Wade is the "great" defensive coordinator Jerry believes he is, why does his approach to play-calling and substitutions feel so tired?
 
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Beast_from_East;2995513 said:
I would much rather root for a team that was not that talented, but give it their all every play. Even if they knew the other team was more talented, they still gave it their all and left everything on the field.

Even in a loss, I would feel good about the team and the effort they gave.


What we have in Dallas is just sickening. The team that I love is full of players that are more worried about what type of car they drive and how many hot chicks they can bang or how much signing bonus they can get on their next contract, ect....

When I see guys laughing and smiling on our sideline after just blowing a game in which they had a 10pt lead, it makes me sick. When I see guys like Bobby Carpenter always standing over a pile because he doesnt want to get his uniform dirty, it makes me sick. When I see Ken Hamlin out of postion and whiffing on tackle after tackle after tackle and then talking after the game talking about how the defense needs to play better, it makes me sick.

When I hear reports of Cowboy players celebrating the end of the season on the plane ride back from Philly last year, a game in which most of the players simply gave up, it makes me sick.

Players like Aikman, Irvin, and Emmitt cared about the game and played for the love of the game, not the money. Emmitt played in a game against the Giants after seperating his shoulder in the 1st quarter. He could not even move his arm and his teammates had to pick him up off the ground after each carry. Contrast that to Roy Williams standing on the sideline all by himself watching the final drive of the game because his ribs were sore. The only way I would not have been on that field at that point in the game was if I was being taken off the field on a stretcher!!! I would have loved to see Roy grow some balls and say "if I can walk, I can play" and sucked it up like Emmitt did.

Please know I'm with you. I'd join fans at any sports bar to watch that team play and still be okay if they lost.

It amazes me that there are players on this current team with loads of talent who are caught on camera smiling after their bonehead penalties or blown assignments cost the team another drive, another shot at points. Where is the Shame that fuels the fire to get the yards back, the ball back, the lead back, what have you? Bring the fire back and fire those who back off in pressure situations, please.
 

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TheWarrenReport;2995799 said:
I'm just surprised we didn't see more of the young lbs on Sunday. Given the mile high conditions and the lackluster play of the starters, I was certain Butler, Williams and Octavien would see the field more. Seems their youthful enthusiasm and blue-collar work ethics would be a huge plus. If Wade is the "great" defensive coordinator Jerry believes he is, why does his approach to play-calling and substitutions feel so tired?

Williams meaning Jason Williams? He's an ILB and it was his first pro game ever after not even playing a full preseason. Octavien is an undrafted journeyman special teams player, but he was in there some. About the only LB who could've played more was Butler, but even then only in passing situations.

Until the last two minutes, the D held them to 10 points even when one "drive" started at their own nine. It's not like they were getting gashed all day and there was a need to change things up.
 

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I told my wife today - I would be happier if they were just bad, at least then I'd know what to expect. "But because you are neither hot, nor cold, but lukewarm, I vomit you out of my mouth." lol.

You DO know what to expect. I posted this before the Cowboys played Denver.

It is what to expect every time the Cowboys take the field.
 

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Great post and I agree wholeheartedly specially about Spencer. I rather have a team full of Octaviens than guys like Spencer or Roy Williams who have all the physical attributes but lack heart.
 

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TheWarrenReport;2993908 said:
THE SHAME GAME

It is easier to find ways to lose than win. And, over the past couple of seasons, it often seems Jason Garrett has stuffed the Cowboys playbook with Ivy League strategies for defeat. Yesterday, the coordinator's offensive modifier took on an unfortunate double meaning. Fans and critics are right to question his final two, goal-line calls that doomed Dallas to a 10-17 heart-breaker in Denver. While there were countless penalties and questionable calls prior to these tactical miscues and some horrendous clock management — at the end of both halves — the team still had a chance to tie (and thus win), with seconds to go and the best-possible field position to do so. They tried, they failed. Worse, they looked foolish doing so. They ought be ashamed. Clearly some are. But Shame is fickle: it inspires some and conquers others.

A loss is a loss no matter how it's accrued. No one credits the 2008 Detroit Lions for any moral victories. They were winless. That's what was recorded and that's what we'll remember. And as that hapless team proved just as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers did decades earlier, losing can be habit-forming. But why? Is it lack of talent or a troubled mindset, an unconscious indulgence of "negative visualization?"

The Cowboys are confounding because they don't lose all the time, just half the time. They have proven their ferocious inconsistency over the past 24 games. Their 12-12 tally during this stretch suggesting they are no more capable of stringing together back-to-back victories, than a praying mantis's mate might score a second date. So, it is reasonable to assume they have enough ability to win but not the will power to execute when they must.

The Dallas defense improves weekly, fueled, I suspect, by Keith Brooking whose post-game comments reflect a positive response to Shame. Despite his personal, on-field success, he recognizes that he and his teammates must still do more. Practice harder. Play harder. Accept nothing but the desired results. He did not celebrate his fourth-down run stuff with the press, he focused on the plays that slipped away and how to insure they won't happen again. He hounded the Broncos from sideline to sideline, hurdling some to make tackles no one would have blamed him had he missed. (Wouldn't you love to hear Anthony Spencer state a similar desire to refocus this week or acknowledge his uncanny capacity for the near-miss big play?)

But its tough to blame the 'Boys' defense. Considering the presumed firepower of the offense, Dallas should still have been able to win. Thus, we turn to an offensive unit which could score only one touchdown while handing seven points right back to the opponents when Tony Romo coughed up the ball on a blind-side hit that everyone felt coming but him. It has become as easy to pick apart the quarterback as it is for Champ Bailey to pick him off... and this warranted criticism may itself be the root of Romo's infuriating play under pressure. If anything, he puts too much on himself. He's begun to hear voices (like Roy Williams may begin hearing footsteps after having been hung out mid-field in the fourth quarter). Jason Witten has alluded to his buddy's internalization of defeat and if you revisit his reaction to the Seattle Slip, it seems clear that he takes it all very personally. Then, when he attempts to play it off — as he did so last year, reacting to the season-ending loss to the Eagles with an oratorial ineptitude matched only by Miss South Carolina in 2007 — he is chastised more harshly. (Trust that I believe, deservedly so.) In all the off-season chatter about leadership, he overlooked the most important element that it is not so much what you say as what you do. The answers don't matter, the attitude does. Romo is so concerned about making the right choices — whether when addressing reporters or reading defenses — that he is disassembling the very traits that made him successful in his first season. He is an instinctive player who is allowing Shame to change him rather than charge him.

Jason Garrett is victim of his self-regard as well. Originally touted as a boy-genius, only to have the title stripped after last year's late-season meltdowns, the OC's become pre-occupied with restoring his rep rather than doing whatever it may take to win. How else to explain his bull-headed goal-line play-calling against both the Broncos and, a week earlier, the Panthers? Versus Carolina, a single run would have sufficed. Versus Denver, give Witten or Williams a shot at the game-tying touchdown. (If Roy's the anointed number one receiver, he ought be on the field no matter how much his ribs might ache.) Garrett seems intent on proving his smarts when all Dallas need do is dominate. As much as I admired the finesse of Tom Landry's teams, at some point, at the goal line, brute force tops brain power. Garrett is allowing Shame — and his professional stock value, perhaps — to dictate strategy rather than Garrett allowing his best players a chance to dictate the outcomes in squeakers.

I empathize. I have experienced Shame on levels multiplied by a "nurtured" self-loathing and a wavering sense of worth. In good times, my ego overrides Shame's heckling. I hear its jeers as challenges. That's easy. But in crisis, as I am now, as the Cowboys are now, Shame's critiques are amplified and I am felled, temporarily paralyzed, incapable of drowning out the droning self-doubt it conjures. I will try to follow Keith Brooking's example. No, I will follow his example. First, I will disavow the disclaimer "try to," permitting myself only the possibility of betterment. I will place my failures behind me more rapidly and resolutely, refusing to succumb to the grief they have and can inflict. Instead, I will acknowledge these mistakes but refuse to repeat them, judging myself only on my record from here on out.

Today is the first day of the rest of the season. The Cowboys can choose to linger on their disappointing play and replicate these results week in and week out. Or, they can make a contract with themselves to forbid the Shame of under-achievement to sabotage their playoff potential. On any given Sunday, Dallas can beat any other team in the league. On any given Sunday, Shame, handled wisely, can help them win.

(Note that this is part four of an ongoing series. To read Lesson #1, please click here.)

Dude, if you don't start posting here more often, you should be hung by your balls!

That was absolutely the best post I have read on this forum. I believe that the post, in it's entirety, embodies the the feelings and attitudes of almost everyone here.

You did an excellent job of pointing out some realities that are impossible to ignore to even the most devout optimist. Coupled with the the fact that the post ended, not with a doom and gloom conclusion, but with a sense of optimism that even the deepest of gloom and doomers all feel deep down in the pit of this fanaticism we all share. The very last sentence is the glimmer of hope that we ALL hang on to.

Very nicely done, sir.
 

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TheWarrenReport;2993908 said:
THE SHAME GAME

I will try to follow Keith Brooking's example. No, I will follow his example. First, I will disavow the disclaimer "try to," permitting myself only the possibility of betterment.

"Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." - Master Yoda
 

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I like your posts Warren. You might be to smart to be here.
I liked the part where you discuss the shame and the id. that is what my court-apointed tharapest always say.

i am with you on the defense. they played swell. to play this well aganst a qb like orton is a great thing. no, sirrie i place the blame on garrett and his confused playmaking!!!

You have the best possts here!!!
 
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