Brutal numbers

[LocimusPrime]

If you don't pay attention to the rest of the league, sure.

Teams play like crap, it happens. Even the best. Hell the Pats almost lost to the Jets a few weeks ago, they have a cupcake schedule

One of the most efficient QB's in the league the last few years (Wilson) just went out and threw 5 picks, leading to a complete blowout. And aside from Dallas they were the "class" of the NFC.

You could make legit arguments that the worst teams in football are better than the best if you're going to use a 1 game metric against common opponents. That's laughable bruh. Does anyone think the Seahawks still don't have an elite defense? Maybe not without ET, but they still gave up more points to the Rams than the Niners did with him. Which is why that's stupid.



This has been broken down in multiple threads, that you read. Anyone still saying this is being willfully ignorant/trollish. And anyone who quotes yard totals with no context as some sort of "point", probably knows as much about the game as the dump I just took.

I wouldn't look at just one game but at trends. We played poorly against the vikes and the Giants. If it was one game ...I see your point. Two or more and it becomes more troubling. Right now, there no reason to panic, but if we lose to the Bucs and muster let's say 14 points and under 200 yds passing, that would make 3 games in a row.

So sure one game here and there happens, but 2-3 becomes an issue.

 

[kevm3]

Elite defenses make offenses look bad. That's what they do... kind of like how Peyton Manning was shut down during the Superbowl against the Seahawks or how the Giants beat the Patriots during a historic season by constantly putting pressure on Brady.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

That was not elite defense last night, at least not in the first half. Just watched every pass play in the first half. In 19 throws, he had one where pressure made him throw early, three plays where he had at least 3 seconds before throwing as pressure approached (all three complete) and another where he had 3 seconds, had to escape pressure then found a man for another completion. He was sacked twice, both sacks he had at least 4 seconds before getting sacked. Elliott had very good success running the ball in the first half. I think the OL did a good job in the first half and there were guys open.

 

[alicetooljam]

This has been broken down in multiple threads, that you read. Anyone still saying this is being willfully ignorant/trollish. And anyone who quotes yard totals with no context as some sort of "point", probably knows as much about the game as the dump I just took.

Point one being they are "brutal numbers"....the thread title. Stupid, ignorant, and troll used in your last 2 responses to 2 different posters...is that another trend? Ive saw a lot of focus on completion percentage and rating in defense of Dak's performances as well as outright denying he's had three rough games to distract people from numbers that are staring us in the face. If Im so willfully ignorant, dont waste your time. Ive been on CZ 13+ years. Ive barely cracked 1000 posts even though Im here daily...obviously I dont waste time trolling. Yet you came in this thread knowing what it was about to reply with nothing more than insults as your point. What is that?

 

[kramskoi]

So against good defenses, we should expect to suck?

I thought we had an elite offense. The Browns moved it better than the Cowboys against that defense.

Going into New York...Dallas was #2 in net points per drive...second only to New England. New York was 17th. I just don't buy this apologist narrative on Prescott. They were minus a major piece on their defensive line in JPP. The Rams, Browns and Bears all put up more points than Dallas...and neither of those teams would be considered even close to an offensive juggernaut. They were respectively 29th, 32nd and 30th in net points per drive going into this week.

 

[kramskoi]

That was not elite defense last night, at least not in the first half. Just watched every pass play in the first half. In 19 throws, he had one where pressure made him throw early, three plays where he had at least 3 seconds before throwing as pressure approached (all three complete) and another where he had 3 seconds, had to escape pressure then found a man for another completion. He was sacked twice, both sacks he had at least 4 seconds before getting sacked. Elliott had very good success running the ball in the first half. I think the OL did a good job in the first half and there were guys open.

The presumption with Prescott by some is that he has a commensurate level of experience, anticipation and recognition of the guy he has supplanted...and I don't buy it. In the eyes of the apologists...Romo must be torn down and the opposing defense must be highly elevated in order to cope, rationalize or explain away Prescott's hideous performance. A recent article on Bloggingtheboys called Prescott a genius, which shows just how far down the road of blind belief that some have gone. The Cowboys had 15 possessions (12 that were 5 plays or less...7 that avg 2.5 yds per play), with 3 turnovers served up by Manning and could manage but 7 points...less than any team has scored against New York this year...a rather dubious distinction for sure.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Second half, there were 4 plays with immediate pressure. A bunch with 3-4 seconds before pressure. One sack, pressure came after 4 seconds. I don't feel there was pressure that justified the inaccuracy and incompletions. Dak definitely had an off game.

At this point I can't say what it looked like downfield because all 22 hasn't been released. On a lot of dropbacks, the receiver he was throwing to was open, there was just an errant throw.

 

[Tabascocat]

I can't really see that our O line played any different from past games concerning the pressure. I think we are missing a 2nd TE in a big way for those 12 formations to actually work. Dak was just off and it spiraled down from there.

 

[percyhoward]

So against good defenses, we should expect to suck?

I thought we had an elite offense.

So did the 2013 Broncos, my friend.

And the 2007 Patriots.

 

[Risen Star]

He went from MVP to a guy who needs to face a bad defense in 1 week.

 

[percyhoward]

So sure one game here and there happens, but 2-3 becomes an issue.

A split in back-to-back road games against top 5 defenses is probably a win, in the grand scheme of things. Tampa's defense has been the best in the league in the last five games, so avoiding a third consecutive bad performance will be a challenge.

And that's a good thing, because it reveals things you'd rather find out now than in the postseason.

 

[cowboyblue22]

the giants pretty much made Dak look like Brandon weeden last night there is just not a lot of excuses to be made for him

 

[daveferr33]

Dak's last 3 game average- 15 of 26 for 166 yards 1 td and .66 ints

He hasnt broken 200 yards passing in a game once during that time.

Don't forget he's lost a fumble in each of the last two games.

 

[kramskoi]

So did the 2013 Broncos, my friend.

And the 2007 Patriots.

Well neither of the "chuck-ball" teams ran the ball worth a crap in either game...NE had 45 yds, DEN had 27 (both losing TOP). They didn't have the league's best offensive line or leading rusher on tap either. Moreno had just over 1000 yds that year...Maroney less than 850. Moreno carried the ball just 5 times in that Superbowl...5 (for 17 yds). This current Dallas team is built differently on offense than either NE or DEN were...which is a big factor in how successful Prescott has been.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Offense was bad.

They should have run more, IMO. Maybe I'm off on that, I don't know, but I felt like they didn't run the ball nearly as often as they should have, especially with Dak struggling.

 

[LocimusPrime]

A split in back-to-back road games against top 5 defenses is probably a win, in the grand scheme of things. Tampa's defense has been the best in the league in the last five games, so avoiding a third consecutive bad performance will be a challenge.

And that's a good thing, because it reveals things you'd rather find out now than in the postseason.

Makes perfect sense. Very reasonable and logical post

 

[DCBoysfan]

People like to attach the word 'elite" to things and seems to think that for whatever reason it can't have flaws. Dak faced two really good defenses the last two weeks and came out 1-1, with a chance to win the last game at the end. There are things he needs to work on because he is you know a rookie. But the giants, bucs or lions are all teams that we may see in the playoffs, so Dak and the entire offense gets a chance to see the different looks these teams are going to show and we should be better prepared the next time around.

 

[erod]

Enough with the "elite defense" stuff. Does Dallas not have an "elite offense"?

The Cowboys scored fewer points against the Giants than any team this year. Including the Browns.

 

[kramskoi]

Enough with the "elite defense" stuff. Does Dallas not have an "elite offense"?

The Cowboys scored fewer points against the Giants than any team this year. Including the Browns.

This is called rationalization...the Giants have to be the second-coming of the 85 Bears to make Prescott's performance make sense to some. Moreover, the teams that New York faced in that 6 game stretch can hardly be called elite offenses. The combined passer rating of the six is 81.08, with a 10.8 TD / 8.6 INT ratio. Only Andy Dalton had a rating above 85.

 

[CowboyStar88]

But to listen to most of this board the Giants were lucky to win. It sure doesn't make me happy, but that was just a dominating performance by NY's defense. They absolutely shut down the best offense in the league.

Meanwhile, while our D played very well, it is no comparison. As everyone has been saying here for weeks on end as we all disparaged their six game winning streak (and now six out seven), the NYG offense is one of the worst in the league. Heck, the BROWNS defense shut them down. So I'd have been really concerned if ours didn't.

Or if there was halfway decent QB play this is a blowout with that many possessions IMO