Bryan Broaddus: What the Cowboys are looking to do with the No. 27 pick

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Kangaroo;3324291 said:
What happens if Dez Bryant falls to 27 does Jerry take him or still try to trade.


I think if Dez falls to 27 Jerry pulls the trigger but I dont think it will be a quick and easy decision.
 

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Hostile;3322864 said:
We had an article posted just recently that mentioned CB and ILB as very real possibilities at 27.

I think we will trade down if Iupati, Thomas, and Bryant are gone.


I think there is a good possibility that we trade down if none of the players on our board are still there. However, this is still contingent upon receiving a good enough offer from some other team looking to move into the #27th spot for a player they simply cannot wait for. We can't be too desperate to unload our #27th pick either, and let teams low-ball us with offers. If that happens, we may be better of taking someone we may normally have waited on, or a player who we consider to be a gamble.

So, a few things still have to go right for us to get good value out of a trade as well; even if none of the players we would want to draft at that high of a pick are still available. It will be interesting to see what happens...
 

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I think Arenas would make a really good FS prospect IMO.

I compare him to an Antrel Rolle type player.
 

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Am I the 1st person to put McCourtey at 27 for Dallas?

How's this for the 1st day?

27: McCourtey
59: Vlad the Imapler

Buehler?
 

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SDogo;3324294 said:
I think if Dez falls to 27 Jerry pulls the trigger but I dont think it will be a quick and easy decision.
On Norm's show today, he said that he would pass, but that it would be a tough call.
 

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SDogo;3324293 said:
Sure but your not getting near the same quality of CB play.
In this week's Sporting News, they talk about how well coached Alabama's DB's are because of Nick Saban, and he thinks JA will be a fine Player, as will Kareem Jackson. He's also high on the G Mike Johnson, who might not be a bad pickup for us. Mayock is also high on JA.
 

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Bob Sacamano;3324388 said:
Am I the 1st person to put McCourtey at 27 for Dallas?

How's this for the 1st day?

27: McCourtey
59: Vlad the Imapler

Buehler?


:rolleyes:

You cant claim McCourty

That does remind me though. Anyone realize theres a huge dropoff in OL after Saffold/Vlad? Both should be taken before say #45. Makes me real scared to pass up a good OL in round 1.



On Norm's show today, he said that he would pass, but that it would be a tough call.

To me, that might be the kind of situation to trade down. In this often talked about Cleveland trade we can hopefully get a sweet deal if they want Dez in addition to whoever they take at 7. Wed then be left w/ enough picks to be able to move up again in the draft at other times if theres a guy we want
 

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There is noway Dez Bryant is still on the board at 27, he will be gone by 15th pick at the latest.
 

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Beast_from_East;3325290 said:
There is noway Dez Bryant is still on the board at 27, he will be gone by 15th pick at the latest.
Straight from the Brady Quinn school of thinking.
 

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Beast_from_East;3325290 said:
There is noway Dez Bryant is still on the board at 27, he will be gone by 15th pick at the latest.

By talent he should be. But remember a lot of teams are getting really worried about character now. There seem to be some red flags on him character wise, I wouldn't be surprised to see him slide, though I will say its unlikely to slide all the way to 27.

If he makes it there I would probably have a hard time passing that up, since it should be a very good value pick. Assuming that the Boys have done their homework and are pretty sure there won't be any major problems with him.
 

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The Giants arent taking him at 15. Theyre actually ok at WR and need LB's

The Bengals could at 21 but they signed Antonio Bryant

The Pats could at 22

The Ravens could at 25 even w/ the additions of Boldin and Stallworth. The thought of Flacco/Rice/Dez could be too tempting.
 

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My view of the #27 pick and safety...



I would be intrigued if Allen were to be available. Many fans aren't very enamored with a high placement for Mays.

I'm not as high on the Combine type of measureables. Football players are harder to beat than just great athletes. Ken Hamlin plays a strong role in the Dallas secondary. Not all of that is matched up with the speedy receivers. There are cornerbacks for that specific coverage problem. The team was confident in leaving him matched up with the good tight ends and receivers that were faced. He wasn't abused in those matchups.

I question how much improvement occurs if not one of the top two safeties were used to send Hamlin packing. Ball and Watkins both might be fine in a trade off consideration just for the backup quality.

Mike Hamlin was drafted for his coverage as well as collegiate ability to go for the ball. I wonder how much less he would merit than those less than the top tier of this draft. Since time is needed to develop even a top tier addition, that causes me to start to question matchups that project to a top level and already functional element to arrive at 'upgrade.' Other than Thomas and Allen, I would have to weigh more in line with upcoming needs elsewhere on the team.

At linebacker, even Bradie James has hit that 30 point of his career. I wouldn't rest well expecting Bobby Carpenter to replace him. J Williams looks to project into where Keith Brooking plays, the weak side, but the strong side is another story. Hodge was brought in to contend in a package type position, but won't even be ready for the field during the pre-camp training this summer. He may well have already missed his train onto the roster.

The future is quickly arriving in the interior of the linebacker group...and I'm not sure I project into a J Williams and Bobbie Carpenter interior just yet. The speed of J Williams is tempting, and he eases my concerns. But there is Carpenter, and he just doesn't sooth my senses for the middle of a defense outside of package considerations.

Middle linebacker is a pretty important team function. Allow me to shed some light here:

'With Jake Delhomme gone, and young Matt Moore (8 career starts) installed at quarterback, the Panthers would seem to have a leadership void. But actually the team’s guiding light didn’t go anywhere. The leader in question is middle linebacker Jon Beason, who will be counted on to help sustain the old Panther mentality as the roster turns over. That’s important, with a crew of vets jettisoned and the front office under strict spending limits. And Carolina believes Beason is up for the job. “It’s two things,’’ coach John Fox said. “One, the nature of that position, because you’re at the heart of it, you’re the signal-caller, and some of that just happens. Not that your middle ’backer has to be the leader of your defense, but it just turns out that way quite a bit. And he has some of those natural leadership skills. It’s not always rah-rah. Sometimes those things that are needed to be said are on Monday after practice or after a game, not so much during a game. It can be how you react when there’s a crisis. Jon’s got those skills.’’ Beason just turned 25, but in three seasons, he’s been in on 419 tackles, started 48 games, and made two Pro Bowls.'
*(by Albert Breer)

See anyone on the Cowboy roster that will quickly fill the shoes of either Keith Brooking or Bradie James? Excuse me, if I don't get carried away with the plate dejure for this season, and stick with an older set of values as to what is needed first...




For the past five years, the fandom and many of the media have been on the drum beat of wide receiver for Dallas. Well, they struck rare mineral content through free agency following the draft. But they did strike talent...and then there are indicators by Jerry himself, taking the receiver missings out of the frying pan for this draft. If Bryant reached Dallas at 27, then a real decision would have to be made. He is real talent....it won't happen. Just as it won't happen that either Thomas or Allen reach that point in the draft for Dallas. If Dallas desires either of them, then have to pay for the dance and move up to acquire them. I'm not sure that Jerry is intent on weathering more media itensity that would cloud both himself and his team.

At safety, I feel what is already on the shelf merits confidence. Ken Hamlin might not be an All Pro right now, but he is a fully functional veteran. He is at least better than what Dallas had with the departed cornerback, Henry.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to going to safety, a coverage type, in the top three rounds...but at #27, I would expand considerations quite an extent. I would include linebacker, and even defensive end/nose tackle to that. This group of defensive linemen in the top three rounds are pretty strong also. I would be even more eager to add a top of draft defensive end to 'push' the combination of Hatcher, Bowen, and Spears.

There usually are just about 22-24 players each year, that actually have first round grades. That puts Dallas, less some free falling of these, right at the lower return level for their draft spot. Now if some quarterbacks push into the first round, some players might fall. If they don't and a team wants to cherry pick a quarterback, then trading into the top of round two, and taking an aggressive and strong linebacker and defensive end would be smart. That would leave the third and fourth rounds for the offensive tackle and guard/center selections. A developing and 'small school' cornerback and safety could be brought in that could be brought to speed, but in a lower round. That makes more sense to me...given the present and need to push up to a Super Bowl this season.

At safety, I would make a real push for Ram's safety, Atogwe...and move to strengths of this draft that match with 'future' needs on this team. I would build the defensive interior, middle linebackers, and offensive line first...and then add a strong developer at both safety and corner.

If like Jerry Jones has been stating, wide receiver and safety starters are eliminated due to players available in range, then priorities do shift in this draft. Position limiting, to safety and receiver, do take a ding until value alone is the cause, as in lower rounds...
 

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I could see a trade up to 21 Cinn trade Marty B

or 21 NE ab trace Marty all they got at TE is

Algee Crumpler 10 year guy
Robbie Anone 1 year UDFA
Rob Myers 1 year UDFA

plus NE is looking for DE IMO am Odrick will still be there at 27

to get Iupati

I really want AOA
 

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UnoDallas;3326211 said:
I could see a trade up to 21 Cinn trade Marty B

or 21 NE ab trace Marty all they got at TE is

as I said in another thread, I think thats a painfully lousy deal for the Cowboys.
 
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