Bryant on pace for 148 targets

[khiladi]

Correlation does not equal causation.. amusing how none of the Dez blamers mention that Dez is doubled most of the game or runs plenty of deep go routes.

http://cowboyszone.com/2014/06/dez-bryant-route-running-nuances-of-the-go-route.html

 

[CyberB0b]

Correlation does not equal causation.. amusing how none of the Dez blamers mention that Dez is doubled most of the game or runs plenty of deep go routes.

He's not doubled most of the game, but even if he was, every top WR is doubled and they still produce.

 

[khiladi]

He's not doubled most of the game, but even if he was, every top WR is doubled and they still produce.

Yes he is and no they don’t as far as go routes are concerned.

1. Dallas runs Coryell and the passing game was meant to provide downfield threat, giving up efficiency for yardage. Teams play plenty of deep cover 2. Teams though bring their defenders up to stack the box on first down a lot more with Zeke.

2. It’s no coincidence that both Dez and TWIll were TOP 3 WRs in go routes in Romo’s MVP year. TWill the second WR of the team was number 2 among all WRs and this despite Dez seeing plenty of cover 2.

3. Romo audibles way more than Dak, and when Dak was doing it at the beginning of the year he was looking sub par. Romo probably took more advantage of single coverage whence saw Dez in it. Just because somebody is singled doesn’t mean the offense targets him, because they could be in a run formation and the QB still needs to call a correct audible.

Simple reality is Romo throws a much better go route and deep ball. And yes I know Dak had a good percentage of throws in ‘tight windows’ of plus 20 yards last year, but:

1. Percentage and attempts are two different things

2. Just because a catch is twenty plus yards is not an indicator of the route. Dak’s pass off the play-action that went to Butler in Arizona, besides the fact it fooled the whole defense line key-in in on Zeke was like a thirty plus yard DRAG route.

Totally different type of throws. If one actually pays attention, Dez does fine when Dak throws him drag routes and plenty of times beats his WRs. And Dak throws in the middle of the field better than he does when the sideline is involved. And Dak is great making plays after the ball has been snapped too. But you can’t expect the guy running deep all the time as the primary WR to come bail him out of the pocket of the pocket collapsed just based on where he is.

 

[xwalker]

Correlation does not equal causation.. amusing how none of the Dez blamers mention that Dez is doubled most of the game or runs plenty of deep go routes.

http://cowboyszone.com/2014/06/dez-bryant-route-running-nuances-of-the-go-route.html

I just reviewed 24 passing plays by the Cowboys in the Atlanta game. Dez was doubled 2 times and 1 of those was by a LB.

 

[IheartRomo]

Anytime Dez is 1 on 1 he's "open"

From 2010-2014, absolutely. Outright false to claim that this is the same Dez. It isn't. The injuries have certainly robbed him of a good portion of his athleticism.

Still good, no longer great by any means. And make no mistake, he was GREAT from 2010-2014.

 

[The Natural]

From 2010-2014, absolutely. Outright false to claim that this is the same Dez. It isn't. The injuries have certainly robbed him of a good portion of his athleticism.

Anytime he's 1 on 1 he's open, I'll say it again. Just throw him a catchable ball he will still get it.

 

[jwitten82]

Anytime he's 1 on 1 he's open, I'll say it again. Just throw him a catchable ball he will still get it.

Doubt it

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Dez haters are confused right now...

 

[IheartRomo]

Anytime he's 1 on 1 he's open, I'll say it again. Just throw him a catchable ball he will still get it.

I think it's laughable to assert that these days and his catch percentage and huge spike in drops shows that.

 

[The Natural]

I think it's laughable to assert that these days and his catch percentage and huge spike in drops shows that.

History will absolve me, just as it has with every other player that got wasted here

 

[percyhoward]

Dez issue is another example of JG's inability to adjust to the players strengths. Dez's best routes are slants and digs currently. Dak's best throws are intermediate throws to the middle. Yet we keep sending Dez out on go and fade routes.

JG still wants to run this offense as though we have Romo as the QB and pre-2015 Dez. Romo's gone. Dak's the QB. Dez's been through multiple lower body injuries since end of 2014. We need to stop running Romo friendly pass offense and run Dak friendly pass offense.

That's the best post of the thread so far.

Here's a breakdown by depth and direction.

Target less than 15 yards
Bryant 82.1 (94.5) -12.4
L Bryant 51.5 (103.2)
M Bryant 129.1 (92.1)
R Bryant 87.3 (87.6)

Target 15+ yards
Bryant 52.1 (154.3) -102.3
L Bryant 47.4 (149.3)
M Bryant 54.2 (116.6)
R Bryant 58.0 (156.2)

Anything deep to Dez is bad -- sideline, between the numbers, doesn't matter. Anything left is bad -- depth of target doesn't matter. Ironically, these are the very parts of the field where Prescott has been most successful when targeting other players.

Short-to-intermediate throws up the middle are where Dez has had the most success, but he's only been targeted 11 times out of Dak's 47 attempts to this area of the field.

 

[bayeslife]

Yes, but the offense tends to stall at certain times like in the Atlanta game.

It "feels" like the offense has a better flow or rhythm when Dez is out. That includes the 3 games last season and some times this season that he has been on the sideline for various reasons.

The offense can't establish a rhythm when they are in 1st and 20 every drive.

 

[percyhoward]

That's obviously false. Dez is on pace for 148 targets. What are you talking about?

Good question.

 

[Verdict]

I love dez. I have his jersey and go it signed by him last camp....

But yeah I think it’s time to move on and learn that you NEVER Pay top dollar for WR

WR is a dime a dozen and should always be replaced by a cheaper player...

Well said.

 

[Verdict]

Correlation does not equal causation.. amusing how none of the Dez blamers mention that Dez is doubled most of the game or runs plenty of deep go routes.

http://cowboyszone.com/2014/06/dez-bryant-route-running-nuances-of-the-go-route.html

My goodness, do you even watch the games? Much of the time Dez is one on one and still can't get open. What about those plays? Are we to ignore them because they are an inconvenient truth?

 

[Verdict]

That's the best post of the thread so far.

Here's a breakdown by depth and direction.

Target less than 15 yards
Bryant 82.1 (94.5) -12.4
L Bryant 51.5 (103.2)
M Bryant 129.1 (92.1)
R Bryant 87.3 (87.6)

Target 15+ yards
Bryant 52.1 (154.3) -102.3
L Bryant 47.4 (149.3)
M Bryant 54.2 (116.6)
R Bryant 58.0 (156.2)

Anything deep to Dez is bad -- sideline, between the numbers, doesn't matter. Anything left is bad -- depth of target doesn't matter. Ironically, these are the very parts of the field where Prescott has been most successful when targeting other players.

Short-to-intermediate throws up the middle are where Dez has had the most success, but he's only been targeted 11 times out of Dak's 47 attempts to this area of the field.

There is little doubt that crossing routes, (slants and digs) seem to be a better percentage route for Dez' success. The problem is that if Dez doesn't run the route right it is a pick 6 the other way. I think that's why we don't see them very often. Dez is bad enough at running them and protecting the ball that you don't want the other team sitting on that play.

 

[Jstopper]

You Dez haters are being purposefully dense because it boosts your agenda. Just because he is targeted doesn't make it catchable. Too many times Dak is throwing way over his head or in front of him or too short and those all count as targets. Only 50% of his throws to Dez are catchable. And yet somehow that's Dez fault instead of Dak

 

[TwoDeep3]

Dez, like Irvin in 97, is no longer good enough to handle such a heavy workload

I believe Irvin's catch rate was 48% in 1997

67% in 1995
62% in 1996
48% in 1997

When receivers go, they go fast

Michael Irvin

Played:

WR -- 1988-1999

Born:

Mar 5, 1966 in Fort Lauderdale, FL

High School:

St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale, FL)

College:

Miami (FL)

Drafted:

1988 by Dallas Cowboys (Round 1 / 11 overall)

Hall of Fame:

2007


Season Team(s) Games Rec Yds Avg TD Total Points
1997 DAL 16 75 1,180 15.7 9 54

6th most yards in career. Posted over 1000 yards in 98. Second highest point total for a season in his career.

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/teams.nsf/histories/cowboys

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/players.nsf/ID/06940132

 

[Verdict]

You Dez haters are being purposefully dense because it boosts your agenda. Just because he is targeted doesn't make it catchable. Too many times Dak is throwing way over his head or in front of him or too short and those all count as targets. Only 50% of his throws to Dez are catchable. And yet somehow that's Dez fault instead of Dak

I'm not sure anyone here has faulted Dez for not catching an uncatchable ball. Dez doesn't get open very often. That's a fact. The throws to Dez are connecting at about a 50 percent catch rate. That's a fact. The other receivers catch rate is much higher. That's a fact.

You can try to pin it " all on Dak" if you want, but the fact that he is connecting with all other receivers on the team at a high rate suggests that it's not "all on Dak" that Dez' numbers suck.

The Dez video floating around here suggests his drop rate is also high (which we already knew). According to that video Dez drop rate was close to 12 percent which isn't very good.

 

[kumizi]

Stats don’t matter when it comes to supporting Dez. In Dez threads, Dak is a terrible QB.

In every other thread, Dak is elite and as good as Wentz.

Dez fans crack me up.