BTB: Carpenter Play By Play

[Doomsday101]

If they want to audible out of pass to run the ball at Carpenter, that's fine with me. We win that battle 9 times out of 10 because it is most likely 3rd and long and we don't have our entire backup defense on the field.

I agree. I like our chances in 3rd and long to stop the run if teams want to so call expose a ILB vs run

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

If they want to audible out of pass to run the ball at Carpenter, that's fine with me. We win that battle 9 times out of 10 because it is most likely 3rd and long and we don't have our entire backup defense on the field.

Or 1st and 10, where the opposing offense lines up with a certain spread set that forces the nickel LB to take the field, and now the offense can run or pass out of that set. You still like Carpenter's chances then?

 

[Doomsday101]

Or 1st and 10, where the opposing offense lines up with a certain spread set that forces the nickel LB to take the field, and now the offense can run or pass out of that set. You still like Carpenter's chances then?

Carpenter playing along with the starting defense yes I think he can do the job if called on.

 

[RS12]

Thank god we wont have to read the Carp apologist threads next year when he is playing for the guy that drafted him. Bring on Tennessee.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Or 1st and 10, where the opposing offense lines up with a certain spread set that forces the nickel LB to take the field, and now the offense can run or pass out of that set. You still like Carpenter's chances then?

Most teams have to bring out a WR in order to pull that off. I cannot even think of a team that ahs a TE tandem like we do here. If they have a WR. Any LBer is going to have issues against WR but in our division the only backs/TE that I am concerned with are Westbrook and Cooley and I think he still has a chance one vs one on those guys.

In run coverage, they can have fun running with a WR blocking down or on the perimeter and their Oline matched up with Ware, Spencer Ratliff and Bowen. Bradie will be out there too.

Oakland was sending guards specifically at him time and again. You could see it. He was our best LBer out there. Rogers was okay and Williams/Butler were overplaying everything.

They can go ahead and focus on Carp if they want to i am sure that Rat Ware etc will appreciate the single blocks.

 

[Doomsday101]

Thank god we wont have to read the Carp apologist threads next year when he is playing for the guy that drafted him. Bring on Tennessee.

I'm not going to apologize for Carpenter or make excuses for him, he has been a big disappointment thus far. For this year if he can fill a role and be productive in that role then it helps the Cowboys. Where he ends up next year I think depends on how he produces this year. Thus far he has had a good camp and I don't know many claiming he is an outstanding player

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Thank god we wont have to read the Carp apologist threads next year when he is playing for the guy that drafted him. Bring on Tennessee.

I'll make you a bet. If next year Carpenter has more big plays (int,FF,sacks) than Burnett did last year, you have to change your name to Bobby Carpenter for a month with his mug as your avatar.

If Carpenter cannot do that or ties than I have to change my name to Barbie Carpenter with a Barbie pic as my sig.

If you cannot at the very least put your money where your mouth is then just shut up

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Too much of a Pro-Carp slant. And you missed the whif he did near the redzone. Not sure how you missed it.

 

[RS12]

I'll make you a bet. If next year Carpenter has more big plays (int,FF,sacks) than Burnett did last year, you have to change your name to Bobby Carpenter for a month with his mug as your avatar.

If Carpenter cannot do that or ties than I have to change my name to Barbie Carpenter with a Barbie pic as my sig.

If you cannot at the very least put your money where your mouth is then just shut up

Are you Barbie's dad?:laugh2:

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Are you Barbie's dad?:laugh2:

Are you scared?

 

[RS12]

Are you scared?

Love too, I am just here to help those whose vision is obscured by their silver and blue pom poms.

 

[Dodger]

Yeah but that doesn't matter when they audible out of the play and run it directly at Barbie. If he has glaring weaknesses, which he does - they will get exposed very quickly.

True. Admittedly, that could be an issue. Still, the guy comes on in nickel packages, and I doubt that every time the offense is dealing with 3rd and long they're going to run it right at Carpenter. They can try it, I guess, but I can't see them having continuous success with that.

Sure, we'd all like to have a guy in there who is very good at both coverage and run support, but then that person would ideally be a starter. As it is, the starters' strength seems to be run support, and Carp's strength is coverage...which is why he's the nickel LB and the backup.

Personally, it all comes down to this for me: If I can't have a guy who is a good all around player in the nickel package, I'd rather have a good coverage LB on 3rd and long than some guy who can stuff the run but is miserable in coverage.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

James is supposedly extremely physical but I remember when he first started that we couldn't keep guards off of him and he was a liability in the run game. Shane Andrews made him his ***** that year.

Bradie wasn't perfect his first year, as most rookies aren't, but I vividly remember him absolutely blowing up a RB his rookie year in preseason. Carp hasn't done that once in now his fourth year.

Hey, I'll hope Carp proves me wrong. Maybe he can get by being a "finesse linebacker" if he's only playing the nickel. We have to hope so since Williams apparently won't be ready this year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bradie wasn't perfect his first year, as most rookies aren't, but I vividly remember him absolutely blowing up a RB his rookie year in preseason. Carp hasn't done that once in now his fourth year.

Hey, I'll hope Carp proves me wrong. Maybe he can get by being a "finesse linebacker" if he's only playing the nickel. We have to hope so since Williams apparently won't be ready this year.

Carpenter's rookie year in preseason he was taking on an olinemen was able to shed the block, lower his shoulder into the ball carrier and cause a fumble. Thats just off the top of my head.

You can talk about a term that Jerry used once all day long but at the endo of the day, Carp had no issues with physicality his first year. It was only once Stewart took over the defense that he turned 'soft.'

 

[adbutcher]

Bradie wasn't perfect his first year, as most rookies aren't, but I vividly remember him absolutely blowing up a RB his rookie year in preseason. Carp hasn't done that once in now his fourth year.

Hey, I'll hope Carp proves me wrong. Maybe he can get by being a "finesse linebacker" if he's only playing the nickel. We have to hope so since Williams apparently won't be ready this year.

I was searching my mind for a successful finesse linebacker and Donnie Edwards came to mind. Didn't he have some pretty good numbers in Wade's system?

 

[BAT]

I was searching my mind for a successful finesse linebacker and Donnie Edwards came to mind. Didn't he have some pretty good numbers in Wade's system?

Donnie Edwards was not even 230 lbs but he was not a finesse LB, as he either led his teams or was top 3 every year from 1997 to 2006 (had at least 100 tackles each year). He was a starter in the 4-3 (w/the Chiefs) and the 3-4 (Chargers), Edwards was successful regardless of scheme. He was a leader and a playmaker. In fact, Donnie is only the 9th member of the 20/20 Club. Has at least 20 career INTs and Sacks.

Donnie Edwards reminds me of Darren Woodson - smart, athletic, tenacious -he could have played SS imo.

 

[adbutcher]

Donnie Edwards was not even 230 lbs but he was not a finesse LB, as he either led his teams or was top 3 every year from 1997 to 2006 (had at least 100 tackles each year). He was a starter in the 4-3 (w/the Chiefs) and the 3-4 (Chargers), Edwards was successful regardless of scheme. He was a leader and a playmaker. In fact, Donnie is only the 9th member of the 20/20 Club. Has at least 20 career INTs and Sacks.

Donnie Edwards reminds me of Darren Woodson - smart, athletic, tenacious -he could have played SS imo.

Donnie's play was based on speed and intelligence. His game was never predicated on being physical at the point of attack. Evidently, your definition of a finesse lb differs from mine.

Edit: Leading team tackler has very little to do with a LB being finesse or physical, especially in a 4-3 scheme. Hell Hambrick led the Cowboys in tackles and he was anything but physical.

 

[BAT]

Donnie's play was based on speed and intelligence. His game was never predicated on being physical at the point of attack. Evidently, your definition of a finesse lb differs from mine.

Are you saying that YOUR definition of finesse is a LB that relies on speed and intelligence? Are you saying Derrick Brooks was a finesse LB? Jack Ham? Chuck Howley? Julian Peterson? Keith Bulluck?

And if you are saying that Donnie Edwards was NOT physical at the POA, then you have never watched Donnie play. I have watched him since he tore it up at UCLA (and then later w/the Chargers) and he has always been a willing and effective tackler. You don't average over 100 tackles for almost ten consecutive seasons by being a "finesse" LBer.

There is nothing "delicate" about Edwards' play. Name me ONE other linebacker who has ever been described as "finesse", I can tell you right now it wasn't Donnie Edwards.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You can talk about a term that Jerry used once all day long but at the endo of the day, Carp had no issues with physicality his first year. It was only once Stewart took over the defense that he turned 'soft.'

Not true at all. He was still dragging people down under Parcells.

And ad, I don't know. Maybe even Zach Thomas? But Bobby is no Zach, and I still think the expression is an oxymoron.

I hope he somehow turns it around but if they don't bite when they're puppies, they're probably not going to bite.

 

[BAT]

Donnie's play was based on speed and intelligence. His game was never predicated on being physical at the point of attack. Evidently, your definition of a finesse lb differs from mine.

Edit: Leading team tackler has very little to do with a LB being finesse or physical, especially in a 4-3 scheme. Hell Hambrick led the Cowboys in tackles and he was anything but physical.

You couldn't be more wrong. I played LB in school, getting the soft label is the kiss of death, it means "not tough". ALL defensive football players need to be physical, especially linebackers.

Finesse does not have a neutral connotation. Finesse literally means "subtle, delicate, deceptive, passive".

And Darren Hambrick was not a finesse LB, he was just a dumbazz who thought he was better than he was.