News: BTB: Could Anthony Spencer Be Ready To Start The Season For The Cowboys?

[JBS]

Anything we get out of this guy is an absolute bonus.

 

[CCBoy]

Simply, if he was seen as a non-entity, he would not be on contract...in the NFL. Others were kicking the tires on him, and while he was rehabbing in Dallas.

 

[Risen Star]

If I'd under-appreciated him for years, I'd probably feel the same.

He's capable of being an impact player at a position of need if healthy and in football shape. Unfortunately, he's neither right now. And none of us really knows how much that status might change, or how quickly.

I don't think anybody is counting on immediate impact from the guy, and most have moderate expectations for him contributing by year end. That still makes him more than a non-entity.

I haven't under appreciated him. I wasn't the one worried about irrelevant cornerbacks and expecting impact there. I know the value of a DE. I also know Anthony Spencer isn't a great player. He's spent the majority of his career as a mediocre pass rusher. The guy has played 6 years and he's got 32.5 sacks. He's had stretches where he's been real good, but the most of the time he's been Almost Anthony Spencer.

Now he's 30 and coming off of a crippling injury. I'm expecting nothing from him. So he's a non-entity.

The real impact player was shipped off to Denver. I just won't be a part of this board mission to downplay that truly great player and trump up an underachiever like Spencer.

 

[Alexander]

He's a non-entity, as far as I'm concerned.

First, the vast majority of his career he's been an underachiever and now he's coming off a really bad injury.

I just have a really hard time caring about Anthony Spencer.

He does not strike me as a competitor.

I guess the cut off electricity excuse to Wade Phillips ruined me.

 

[Alexander]

A franchised player coming off of microsurgery. Still gets a contract.

What could go wrong?

 

[Idgit]

I haven't under appreciated him. I wasn't the one worried about irrelevant cornerbacks and expecting impact there. I know the value of a DE. I also know Anthony Spencer isn't a great player. He's spent the majority of his career as a mediocre pass rusher. The guy has played 6 years and he's got 32.5 sacks. He's had stretches where he's been real good, but the most of the time he's been Almost Anthony Spencer.

Now he's 30 and coming off of a crippling injury. I'm expecting nothing from him. So he's a non-entity.

The real impact player was shipped off to Denver. I just won't be a part of this board mission to downplay that truly great player and trump up an underachiever like Spencer.

Lol. Ware was an amazing player. Nobody is downplaying that, but mentioning it is completely irrelevant.

We know you don't understand the obvious value of cornerbacks. You've said so many times. It's also not relevant.

Re Spencer, you're just doing what you always do: overstating a definitive stance on an unpopular player who is a long shot so you can pretend to have had foresight in the likelihood he doesn't pan out. Then overstate the actual expectations for the guy in case you turn out to be wrong and hope nobody notices how badly you're exaggerating. If you're wrong on a particular long shot, don't own up no matter what. Then tell us later how much we hate you being right all the time about things that were very likely in the first place.

It's getting boring, but you're entitled to your opinion, of course.

Anyway. Spencer was a good but unpopular player for a long time. He's now a long shot. That's not the same thing as a non-entity, but then, who's going to quibble over an exaggeration when he's unlikely to return to form, anyway?

 

[Risen Star]

Lol. Ware was an amazing player. Nobody is downplaying that, but mentioning it is completely irrelevant.

We know you don't understand the obvious value of cornerbacks. You've said so many times. It's also not relevant.

Re Spencer, you're just doing what you always do: overstating a definitive stance on an unpopular player who is a long shot so you can pretend to have had foresight in the likelihood he doesn't pan out. Then overstate the actual expectations for the guy in case you turn out to be wrong and hope nobody notices how badly you're exaggerating. If you're wrong on a particular long shot, don't own up no matter what. Then tell us later how much we hate you being right all the time about things that were very likely in the first place.

It's getting boring, but you're entitled to your opinion, of course.

Anyway. Spencer was a good but unpopular player for a long time. He's now a long shot. That's not the same thing as a non-entity, but then, who's going to quibble over an exaggeration when he's unlikely to return to form, anyway?

He's a non-entity because the Cowboys will get nothing out of him. What's this guy going to do? We're not talking about a DeMarcus Ware here. What's the most you're going to get out of Spencer this year? A who cares marginal situational pass rusher? He was an average player over his career and now he's 30 with a bad injury.

You worry about Anthony Spencer. Have fun with that. I won't be distracted by the nonsense that holds the attention of so many here. I'll move on like Spencer isn't even on the roster, because for the most part, he's not.

You can remind me I was only guessing when I'm right on his 2014 season.

 

[Cebrin]

It may be that my Klonopin is working really well but, I honestly have not been overly concerned about the line. I think we added some solid players and depth to rotate. I'm more concerned about the linebackers and secondary. Hopefully the front 4 rotating well can help keep their jobs easier.

 

[5Stars]

I'm usually know as a homer, or a Dallas Cowboy FAN...but Spencer is one player that I absolutely dislike, and I normally don't dislike a Cowboy player until they are gone, then who cares.

 

[Alexander]

It may be that my Klonopin is working really well but, I honestly have not been overly concerned about the line. I think we added some solid players and depth to rotate. I'm more concerned about the linebackers and secondary. Hopefully the front 4 rotating well can help keep their jobs easier.

Yes. It is working.

 

[bvhawkeye]

That would be awesome

 

[Kaiser]

Simply, if he was seen as a non-entity, he would not be on contract...in the NFL. Others were kicking the tires on him, and while he was rehabbing in Dallas.

Agree, its amazing what some posters will kvetch about here. If Spencer doesn't play, he will cost the team a whopping $423,000. If he does contribute something, he is a former All Pro that could help in rotation. No one in this thread is even thinking about him doing anything more than that and the usual suspects are complaining about even that.

 

[Alexander]

Agree, its amazing what some posters will kvetch about here. If Spencer doesn't play, he will cost the team a whopping $423,000.

And that could buy you a body or two.

If he does contribute something, he is a former All Pro that could help in rotation. No one in this thread is even thinking about him doing anything more than that and the usual suspects are complaining about even that.

The point is, nobody is expecting anything. If he steps on the field, healthy, I will be amazed, I will say that.

His productivity, if any at all, is pure gravy. Not even thinking about him until I see threads like this.[/quote]

 

[CCBoy]

And that could buy you a body or two.



The point is, nobody is expecting anything. If he steps on the field, healthy, I will be amazed, I will say that.

His productivity, if any at all, is pure gravy. Not even thinking about him until I see threads like this.

[/quote]

And is that the same as making all decisions for another's expressed focus? Not all view studying situations in a predetermined outcome and in a demeaning description of all other discussions.

Alright, the expressed opinion, above, includes a closed mind on Spencer, Jason Garrett, Jerry Jones, Tony Romo...how about the Pope? You have anything against all discussion there as well?

If so, await a thread that touches upon him and pounce...but I do expect something from him before the season. Gone are the days that a wide receiver is kept all season and then flop in the playoffs, such as Glenn. That Ratliff was waived before the end of season indicated they aren't playing the pay game and then no play any more.

 

[theSHOW]

the shills are a joke. And this team as regards injuries have been a BIGGER joke. Never believe anything they say about an injury; they have just about a perfect record of being wrong.

SHOCK VALUE thanks bud. I expected nothing less

 

[jobberone]

I haven't under appreciated him. I wasn't the one worried about irrelevant cornerbacks and expecting impact there. I know the value of a DE. I also know Anthony Spencer isn't a great player. He's spent the majority of his career as a mediocre pass rusher. The guy has played 6 years and he's got 32.5 sacks. He's had stretches where he's been real good, but the most of the time he's been Almost Anthony Spencer.

Now he's 30 and coming off of a crippling injury. I'm expecting nothing from him. So he's a non-entity.

The real impact player was shipped off to Denver. I just won't be a part of this board mission to downplay that truly great player and trump up an underachiever like Spencer.

He hasn't always been a DE and you can't equate SOLB in the 3-4 to even SDE in the 4-3. In fact he was a DE for Dallas for only 32 snaps so not so much of a career as a DE. He's never had the rush opportunities of someone like Ware as a SOLB.

Spencer played 872 snaps in 2012 as a SOLB with 382 run defense plays and 318 pass rushes with 172 coverage snaps. So 42% was run defense but of the pass rush snaps he only rushed 64% of the time or just a total of 36% of all snaps. He played 92% of the defensive snaps in 2012.

So your post is misleading about him being a DE and it is patently unfair to compare his sack totals with someone who has essentially been a DE all their career.

I do believe you can roughly compare a 4-3 WDE with a WOLB in a 3-4 although the latter will have less rushes as well. This fact is one reason for us to go to the 4-3; to get Ware even more pass rushes.

I think if you give Spencer more pass rushes without a read first then you will see more pressures which is a better way to look at pass rush efficiency IMO.

 

[theSHOW]

A franchised player coming off of microsurgery. Still gets a contract.

What could go wrong?

What will you ever do if the Cowboys start off with a win or two?

 

[bvhawkeye]

What will you ever do if the Cowboys start off with a win or two?

With Jason Garrett running things?

Sit back and laugh as we lose 5-6 games we should have won because he simply refuses to run the ball in the second half

And watch the worst defense in the NFL yet again

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It comes down to whether or not the cartilage in his knee regenerated well or not. That he has not had a setback that we know of since he started running a few weeks , speaks well of things moving forward.

Remember we were told by Risen and crew that failure is a certainty and all that back when he started running a month or so ago. They are just regurgitating their exact same take.

I prefer to try and think about things as probabilities rather then blustering about things that everyone knows I have no way of knowing.

 

[jobberone]

With Jason Garrett running things?

Sit back and laugh as we lose 5-6 games we should have won because he simply refuses to run the ball in the second half

And watch the worst defense in the NFL yet again

Well, you're off to a running start.