News: BTB: Noah Brown is a Swiss Army Knife an a Lock to Make Roster in 2022

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100% agree he's not a TE, although he may get a few reps there. Fehoko is a little faster than Austin, IIRC. I think he can develop what he's missing. They need to focus on what he can do, and play to his strengths, avoid his weaknesses. He wasn't a bad route runner in college. I think part of what held him back last year was that we were so deep at the position. I think Fehoko was part of the reason they felt comfortable letting Turner, Wilson, Cooper walk. Had to be something other than money.

Plus, the people doubting Tolbert forget he was slated as a 2nd rounder. He fell mostly because of his small school status, and the fact this draft was so deep. In hindsight, I think Calvin Austin III is going to be a surprise. Dude can just play, despite his size. But I see Tolbert as the same kind of player. When I was doing my armchair player evaluations, I sometimes thought Tolbert may be the best WR in the draft. I know I'll likely get bashed for saying that, and I could be wrong. But that was my thought before we drafted him. He really is a good player. Hope he goes out there and shines.

I also like Washington, and several other UDFA guys. I think my least favorite is TJ Vasher. But maybe others see something I'm missing on him . . . wouldn't be the first time that happened.

I actually hope he makes this team. I would like to see him step up his game.

To be fair, he doesn't get a lot of opportunities. So maybe that's all he needs. Maybe sometime during the season next year I'll be eating my words on this whole post.

I do see a lot of talent in our UDFA WRs.. more than most years.

We let three pretty good WRs walk, so there has to be something to that.

i don't think Fehoko roster spot had nuthin to do with Cowboys letting Cooper walk. He’s a pure pet project and at this point he’s JAG until he far proves otherwise.

His size/speed workout measurements and potential (providing he improves those flaws by leaps and bounds) and special teams possibilities is the only reason why
Thats probably why they kept him on 53 roster vs risking exposure to waivers en route to practice squad.
It’s gonna be a challenge to repeat that again this summer.

As far as Simi’s route running at the college level. You can get away with college routes, that won’t stand pat at the NFL level.
And you can use and get away with a limited or suspect route tree vs lesser competitive in college, but that wont stand pat, even with backups at the NFL level. .

 

[xwalker]

To be clear, I'm not hating on Brown. I like the player, as a blocker, STer.

I just don't think his production, outside of special teams and being the "best blocker" makes him a lock to make the roster.

As far as UDFAs, several of them would have been worthy of draft picks, later round picks (but that's what Brown was), in any other year outside of the COVID era. So, we're looking at similar levels of talent with guys like Roberson, Drummond, Fryfogle and Houston. I can see any of those guys being the next Cedrick Wilson. Roberson reminds me a lot of Wilson. And all of those guys had more production in college than Vasher, who played for Tech (a passing team) and I think all of those guys have more NFL potential than Vasher.

Fehoko may have been inactive last year, but he was also a rookie, so that's pretty common.

Some have suggested we should look at Brown as a TE. And I'm starting to come around to that idea. He'd be smaller, of course, but I think he would be better utilized in that role. Then again, he's likely not a better TE than Schultz, Ferguson, maybe even Hendershot, who would have been drafted if not for off-the-field issues.

Or maybe you keep a guy who can play both spots to make another spot on the roster for another player.

My main point of posting this was the "lock" part. I don't see him as a lock, at all. I won't be surprised if he makes the team. But calling him a "lock" before training camp is going a bit overboard.

No, he is an elite blocking WR. He would just be a small TE.

If they bring in a 2nd TE, then the defense will play with 1 more LB than they would vs 3 WR sets.

• Example
  • Brown blocking a Strong Safety vs TE Sprinkle blocking a LB.
  • The Brown/SS matchup is better for the Cowboys than the Sprinkle/LB matchup.
  • Brown as a blocker destroys DBs including Strong Safeties.

Bones will push to keep Brown on the roster for Special Teams.

 

[Pass2Run]

No, he is an elite blocking WR. He would just be a small TE.

If they bring in a 2nd TE, then the defense will play with 1 more LB than they would vs 3 WR sets.

• Example
  • Brown blocking a Strong Safety vs TE Sprinkle blocking a LB.
  • The Brown/SS matchup is better for the Cowboys than the Sprinkle/LB matchup.
  • Brown as a blocker destroys DBs including Strong Safeties.

Bones will push to keep Brown on the roster for Special Teams.

I pretty much agree. But I still don't think he's a lock because there's some real UDFA talent at WR. I could see any of them doing well enough in TC to unseat Brown.

I do think his blocking is more important than some like to admit. But it's not all that exciting as a fan when the player's best asset as a WR is blocking. I could still see Brown getting some reps at TE, just to see where he fits in.

McCarthy said when he evaluates players, he's looking at whether they can do two things. Obviously, Brown plays ST and blocks, so that's two. If he can play TE on some downs, that's three things. I'm actually pulling for him. But I do think there's enough talent towards the bottom of the roster to challenge him.

 

[xwalker]

To be clear, I'm not hating on Brown. I like the player, as a blocker, STer.

I just don't think his production, outside of special teams and being the "best blocker" makes him a lock to make the roster.

As far as UDFAs, several of them would have been worthy of draft picks, later round picks (but that's what Brown was), in any other year outside of the COVID era. So, we're looking at similar levels of talent with guys like Roberson, Drummond, Fryfogle and Houston. I can see any of those guys being the next Cedrick Wilson. Roberson reminds me a lot of Wilson. And all of those guys had more production in college than Vasher, who played for Tech (a passing team) and I think all of those guys have more NFL potential than Vasher.

Fehoko may have been inactive last year, but he was also a rookie, so that's pretty common.

Some have suggested we should look at Brown as a TE. And I'm starting to come around to that idea. He'd be smaller, of course, but I think he would be better utilized in that role. Then again, he's likely not a better TE than Schultz, Ferguson, maybe even Hendershot, who would have been drafted if not for off-the-field issues.

Or maybe you keep a guy who can play both spots to make another spot on the roster for another player.

My main point of posting this was the "lock" part. I don't see him as a lock, at all. I won't be surprised if he makes the team. But calling him a "lock" before training camp is going a bit overboard.

They've kept as many as 7 WRs some seasons.

Gallup does not count against the 53 man roster until he returns from PUP.

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If Brown was going to get pushed off the roster, this seems like the least likely year in his career for that to happen, especially prior to Gallup's return.

I do think that they want Fehoko to develop into a role similar to what Brown has played during his career.
- i.e. Blocking WR & core special teams player.
- Obviously they would like for Fehoko to develop beyond Brown as a receiver, but if Fehoko can block and play special teams this season, then whatever he does as a receiver is likely a bonus.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I see you've got some pep your step, ole buddy.

Good to see.

I am a sinewy fighting machine with genus in every cell.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Wow....a compliment. Hmmm.

Yes, place it on your mantel of your double wide.
A certificate of appreciation with a coupon for free home skirting is on the way.

 

[zrinkill]

He is a bubble guy who's contributions to the team can be easily replaced by cheaper players ....... Not a lock at all

 

[Pass2Run]

I am a sinewy fighting machine with genus in every cell.

I won't argue against you.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I won't argue against you.

Yeah, you walk away. I flex and police placing the cuffs gasp!

 

[Mannix]

-------I pretty much agree. But I still don't think he's a lock because there's some real UDFA talent at WR. I could see any of them doing well enough in TC to unseat Brown.
I do think his blocking is more important than some like to admit. But it's not all that exciting as a fan when the player's best asset as a WR is blocking. I could still see Brown getting some reps at TE, just to see where he fits in.


Never seen sooo many people...year after year....look for any reason imaginable to keep such an insignificant player on the roster....it frankly, defies all logic.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Yes, place it on your mantel of your double wide.
A certificate of appreciation with a coupon for free home skirting is on the way.

Starting to finally get your MO. A hotshot, eh.

 

[OmerV]

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[Pass2Run]

Yeah, you walk away. I flex and police placing the cuffs gasp!

Exactly why I'm not arguing. I'm not really a fighter, more of a lover.

Just ask around.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Starting to finally get your MO. A hotshot, eh.

Speak 'Mericun!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Exactly why I'm not arguing. I'm not really a fighter, more of a lover.

Just ask around.

What you do to Raunching is non of me worries. Just don't play with his emotions.

 

[817Gill]

You guys are posting on this thread like he isn’t the #5 WR. I see comments saying he doesn’t make plays LMAO. He’s a ST’er primarily and is a spot player on offense, these guys aren’t who you look for to make plays.

Seems like y’all are judging the 5th WR prospects by who’s the best playmaking WR. When in reality these guys are going to be asked to block, play ST’s, and be solid options when called upon. All of which Brown has proven he can do better.

Unless Fehoko and the UDFA’s show true potential and show they can bring what Brown does then don’t expect anyone outside of 85 to be WR5, though I do think Fehoko is safe another year due to draft pedigree.

 

[Motorola]

-------I pretty much agree. But I still don't think he's a lock because there's some real UDFA talent at WR. I could see any of them doing well enough in TC to unseat Brown.
I do think his blocking is more important than some like to admit. But it's not all that exciting as a fan when the player's best asset as a WR is blocking. I could still see Brown getting some reps at TE, just to see where he fits in.


Never seen sooo many people...year after year....look for any reason imaginable to keep such an insignificant player on the roster....it frankly, defies all logic.

Don't disparage the fans; the Cowboys FO deem Noah Brown a keeper.

 

[Pass2Run]

i don't think Fehoko roster spot had nuthin to do with Cowboys letting Cooper walk. He’s a pure pet project and at this point he’s JAG until he far proves otherwise.

His size/speed workout measurements and potential (providing he improves those flaws by leaps and bounds) and special teams possibilities is the only reason why
Thats probably why they kept him on 53 roster vs risking exposure to waivers en route to practice squad.
It’s gonna be a challenge to repeat that again this summer.

As far as Simi’s route running at the college level. You can get away with college routes, that won’t stand pat at the NFL level.
And you can use and get away with a limited or suspect route tree vs lesser competitive in college, but that wont stand pat, even with backups at the NFL level. .

I find it ridiculous to call a 5th round pick a JAG before he ever arrives in training camp for his second season. But that's just me. We really don't know what the Cowboys think about Fehoko. It's certainly a possibility, though, that a team that values WR as much as the Cowboys do, that they felt more comfortable letting an upper tier receiver walk because they liked the potential of one of their young guys.

And my point about route running in college was simply that even though Fehoko was relatively knew as a player to the sport, he still ran pretty good route if you're evaluating objectively. So that's indicative that he can learn to up his game to play at a higher level.

How long did it take Cedrick Wilson?

Anyone ever call him a JAG before last year?

And while we're pointing out the obvious, it's also safe to say that college players have to play at a higher level when they move from high school football to the college game. Obviously, to succeed in the NFL, a higher level of play is required from a player. That goes without saying.

Having seen Fehoko in a limited number of snaps in the pros, on a roster that was significantly deep with talent last year, doesn't give you enough information to reasonably indicate whether he's a JAG or someone that the Cowboys see potential in. We'll get a better idea about that this year.

Speaking of JAGs, I personally feel like Smi has more upside that Noah Brown. And if I had to chop Brown from the roster to continue developing Fehoko for the future, I might just let him keep Brown's spot and let him be the STer, and have him developing in his receiver role as Noah Brown light because cutting Brown is not going to make or break your team anyway.

Even if we do lose the best blocking WR in the league.

 

[Motorola]

I find it ridiculous to call a 5th round pick a JAG before he ever arrives in training camp for his second season. But that's just me. We really don't know what the Cowboys think about Fehoko. It's certainly a possibility, though, that a team that values WR as much as the Cowboys do, that they felt more comfortable letting an upper tier receiver walk because they liked the potential of one of their young guys.

And my point about route running in college was simply that even though Fehoko was relatively knew as a player to the sport, he still ran pretty good route if you're evaluating objectively. So that's indicative that he can learn to up his game to play at a higher level.

How long did it take Cedrick Wilson?

Anyone ever call him a JAG before last year?

And while we're pointing out the obvious, it's also safe to say that college players have to play at a higher level when they move from high school football to the college game. Obviously, to succeed in the NFL, a higher level of play is required from a player. That goes without saying.

Having seen Fehoko in a limited number of snaps in the pros, on a roster that was significantly deep with talent last year, doesn't give you enough information to reasonably indicate whether he's a JAG or someone that the Cowboys see potential in. We'll get a better idea about that this year.

Speaking of JAGs, I personally feel like Smi has more upside that Noah Brown. And if I had to chop Brown from the roster to continue developing Fehoko for the future, I might just let him keep Brown's spot and let him be the STer, and have him developing in his receiver role as Noah Brown light because cutting Brown is not going to make or break your team anyway.

Even if we do lose the best blocking WR in the league.

It's not just Brown versus Fehoko for a WR roster spot...a few other players are vying with them to get on the team. T.J. Vasher, Brandon Smith, newcomers Jaquarii Robinson, Dennis Houston, Dontario Drummond.
One can have a favorite; but who makes it will be determined over the next month and half.

 

[Pass2Run]

It's not just Brown versus Fehoko for a WR roster spot...a few other players are vying with them to get on the team. T.J. Vasher, Brandon Smith, newcomers Jaquarii Robinson, Dennis Houston, Dontario Drummond.
One can have a favorite; but who makes it will be determined over the next month and half.

True,

That's exactly what I was saying earlier on in the thread.