BTB: Roy Williams: In The Crosshairs

[Frozen700]

LOL he will, and then say he knew it all along.

isnt that how it always ends? fake *** fans, boy i tell you

they always want to be mr negative, to not look like a homer, but when proven wrong, all of a sudden they have amnesia and ask for forgiveness

 

[khiladi]

Knowing this to be... er... true, it should be a simple matter to provide many examples of fans or media or... heck... posters on this very site who ever stated that Terrell Owens was the problem of the 2008 Dallas Cowboys.

The archives feature on this site is OUTstanding...

Do I have to even engage such an absurd request? Seriously...

When the defensive players such as Canty were saying TO is scape-goat in open interviews, they were answering objections that didn't exist... my, my...

Acting the ignorant fool with the 'popcorn' icon doesn't change reality... That is a Cowboy player, let alone media or member of this forum...

Hell, I don't even have to do work, when an article about the best off-season moves of this season, from Mosley, was posted just today on this forum and featured TO:

2. The Cowboys' release of Terrell Owens -- No matter what explanation Jerry Jones provides -- and there have been several -- Terrell Owens is no longer a Dallas Cowboy because the owner knew he'd become a huge distraction. T.O. was a powerful influence in the locker room and he'd help orchestrate a division between himself and Tony Romo. Jones will tell you that T.O. may have been impeding the progress of the team's other receivers, but what he was really doing was tearing apart the team. His release was a move that desperately needed to be made, and it's a decision Jones struggled with mightily. He remains an elite receiver and it's hard to imagine Roy Williams replacing his production. But with the most insecure player in the locker room gone, the Cowboys can try to become more of a team. A lot will hinge on whether Jason Garrett can take advantage of a talented trio of running backs. But no matter what happens, the release of T.O. needed to happen.

Let us see:

1. Huge distraction
2. Tore the team apart
3. Allows Jason Garrett to take advantaged of the running backs

That should about cover everything I stated..

But I love how Mosley threw in the elite receiver, in the context of Roy Williams, which is the new flavor of the day. I'm sure Mosely was among those that said he wasn't elite anymore, with what, his only 60 something receptions, but since everybody like Troy has put the onus of Roy Williams, they have to cover their butts.. But yeah, I guess a best off-season move doesn't mean TO isn't to blame..

 

[Idgit]

Still waiting on an answer.

I think most people were ignoring the comment because they don't believe it's the case that RW wasn't able to get open against 2nd QBs.

It's hard to say how open he was on plays where he wasn't the target based off of network coverage. On the plays where he was targeted, he sure looked open enough; we just had problems getting him the ball in those situations.

 

[Rampage]

Still waiting on an answer.

maybe if Romo threw him the ball more or Garrett had any clue of what he was doing.

 

[PullMyFinger]

isnt that how it always ends? fake *** fans, boy i tell you

they always want to be mr negative, to not look like a homer, but when proven wrong, all of a sudden they have amnesia and ask for forgiveness

LOL exactly!!!!!

 

[PullMyFinger]

Still waiting on an answer.

Isn't it past your bedtime? Does your mommy know you're up this late?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Isn't it past your bedtime? Does your mommy know you're up this late?

I hereby deduct points for incredible lameness

 

[DallasEast]

Do I have to even engage such an absurd request? Seriously...

When the defensive players such as Canty were saying TO is scape-goat in open interviews, they were answering objections that didn't exist... my, my...

Acting the ignorant fool with the 'popcorn' icon doesn't change reality... That is a Cowboy player, let alone media or member of this forum...

Hell, I don't even have to do work, when an article about the best off-season moves of this season, from Mosley, was posted just today on this forum and featured TO:

Let us see:

1. Huge distraction
2. Tore the team apart
3. Allows Jason Garrett to take advantaged of the running backs

That should about cover everything I stated..

But I love how Mosley threw in the elite receiver, in the context of Roy Williams, which is the new flavor of the day. I'm sure Mosely was among those that said he wasn't elite anymore, with what, his only 60 something receptions, but since everybody like Troy has put the onus of Roy Williams, they have to cover their butts.. But yeah, I guess a best off-season move doesn't mean TO isn't to blame..

I thought everybody blamed TO for all the team's failures...

Everybody = Matt Mosley a.k.a. ESPN

Many examples = one. Heck, some examples = one.

Nothing's changed. You're still barking out fiction a.k.a. Terrell Owens propaganda primarily motivated by a certain dislike of

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[khiladi]

Everybody = Matt Mosley a.k.a. ESPN

Many examples = one. Heck, some examples = one.

Nothing's changed. You're still barking out fiction a.k.a. Terrell Owens propaganda primarily motivated by a certain dislike of

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1.

Pretty hilarious that I didn't even need to go to the archives to establish every single point I made from one single article that was recently posted on this very day. The amusing thing is, I didn't even have to do a search.

2.

A common fallacy among the 'loser' of the argument is that they equate not fulfilling one's request with an inability to fulfill the request. They further act as if the point wasn't made, when in fact, they know it was.

3.

They then try and divert attention away from the fact that they know they just looked foolish, bringing up issues which had nothing to do with the discussion, such as the hate of Garrett. It isn't like other people that respond aren't motivated by their man-love for Garrett.

4.

Even then, their logic is simply flawed, because the motivations of the post have no bearing on the argument. Whether or not I hate Garrett or love him, has no bearing on the assertion regarding TO.

5.

To add to the diversion, they key-in the humor, with either a smiley or a funny face.

"My name is DallasEast, and I'll throw in what is actually a pretty funny picture to divert attention from the fact I just got blown out of the water."

6.

Oh, I forgot they also resort to trying to make a point off of 'hyperbole'... They all do the little routine of "that isn't everybody"... with the high-lighting intentional to reflect that they somehow have an argument, when they say, not everybody in the world made that assertion. I'm sure you enjoyed that little Roy Williams discussion on hyperbole also...

7.

Your right, nothing's changed... You have no point...

Predictable...

 

[DallasEast]

1.

Pretty hilarious that I didn't even need to go to the archives to establish every single point I made from one single article that was recently posted on this very day. The amusing thing is, I didn't even have to do a search.

2.

A common fallacy among the 'loser' of the argument is that they equate not fulfilling one's request with an inability to fulfill the request. They further act as if the point wasn't made, when in fact, they know it was.

3.

They then try and divert attention away from the fact that they know they just looked foolish, bringing up issues which had nothing to do with the discussion, such as the hate of Garrett. It isn't like other people that respond aren't motivated by their man-love for Garrett.

4.

Even then, their logic is simply flawed, because the motivations of the post have no bearing on the argument. Whether or not I hate Garrett or love him, has no bearing on the assertion regarding TO.

5.

To add to the diversion, they key-in the humor, with either a smiley or a funny face.

"My name is DallasEast, and I'll throw in what is actually a pretty funny picture to divert attention from the fact I just got blown out of the water."

6.

Oh, I forgot they also resort to trying to make a point off of 'hyperbole'... They all do the little routine of "that isn't everybody"... with the high-lighting intentional to reflect that they somehow have an argument, when they say, not everybody in the world made that assertion. I'm sure you enjoyed that little Roy Williams discussion on hyperbole also...

7.

Your right, nothing's changed... You have no point...

Predictable...

That's a pretty lengthy copout. So, when's the next Jason Garrett manifesto?

 

[Billy Bullocks]

If Roy can make some big 1st down catches, I think he will prove his benefit to the team.

The way we are set up, Garrett better play a ball controll offense. Hopefully Wade will have the defense aggressive, getting pressure, and forcing some turn overs.

With Witten and Williams, we should be able to pick up our 3rd down conversions. Keep drives alive.

We've got 3 backs who have shown they have the ability to play...pound the rock 30+ times per game.

Jones and Austin should be our big play threats.

 

[Fletch]

Williams has yet to learn how to use his physical gifts correctly, nor does he play with the level of urgency and determination Irvin did. Williams' failures last year were not about not learning the playbook. There was the injury and from what I saw, his general outlook. He's not the most determined WR ever. Half the time he looked completely uninterested.

You'd be too if the ball was consistently being thrown to T.O. and Witten 90% of the time. Your observation of R. Williams is a bit flawed.

 

[Apollo Creed]

You'd be too if the ball was consistently being thrown to T.O. and Witten 90% of the time. Your observation of R. Williams is a bit flawed.

This isn't high school. QBs can progress through reads at this level. If a guy is getting open they will find a way to get him the ball.

When they went into the film room and found that Roy was getting open and not being fed the ball, they would've made adjustments. But they found out the same thing that I found out - he wasn't open, his routes were awful, and he looked a tad slow. Which is why Troy has blasted him at every turn, because it looks even worse when you analyze game film every week and one guy stands out to you over the course of your commentating career as a lazy route runner.

This is the NFL, and I follow Occam's Razor - it wasn't a grand conspiracy against Roy, designed to satisfy Owens... Its the NFL, and if a guy is getting open he is getting the ball, Roy wasn't. That simple.

 

[Doomsday101]

This isn't high school. QBs can progress through reads at this level. If a guy is getting open they will find a way to get him the ball.

When they went into the film room and found that Roy was getting open and not being fed the ball, they would've made adjustments. But they found out the same thing that I found out - he wasn't open, his routes were awful, and he looked a tad slow. Which is why Troy has blasted him at every turn, because it looks even worse when you analyze game film every week and one guy stands out to you over the course of your commentating career as a lazy route runner.

This is the NFL, and I follow Occam's Razor - it wasn't a grand conspiracy against Roy, designed to satisfy Owens... Its the NFL, and if a guy is getting open he is getting the ball, Roy wasn't. That simple.

This is not high school and it is not backyard football. QB's and WR develop chemistry together they spend a lot of time during the off season Troy and Irvin they spent time Troy knew exactly how the routs would be ran he knew exactly how when he needed to throw the ball because of the timing between the 2. Harrison and Manning same way and when they missed time together during last off season it showed despite the years they played together. RW will get time to work with Tony this off season and will either succeed or fail but the ideal that chemistry just happens is BS it is developed and you ask and combo in the NFL and they will say the same thing.

 

[CATCH17]

This isn't high school. QBs can progress through reads at this level. If a guy is getting open they will find a way to get him the ball.

When they went into the film room and found that Roy was getting open and not being fed the ball, they would've made adjustments. But they found out the same thing that I found out - he wasn't open, his routes were awful, and he looked a tad slow. Which is why Troy has blasted him at every turn, because it looks even worse when you analyze game film every week and one guy stands out to you over the course of your commentating career as a lazy route runner.

This is the NFL, and I follow Occam's Razor - it wasn't a grand conspiracy against Roy, designed to satisfy Owens... Its the NFL, and if a guy is getting open he is getting the ball, Roy wasn't. That simple.

He was open a lot of times and we wouldn't get him the ball.

Our offensive passing scheme mainly went look for TO, look for Witten, check it down to a RB.

On top of that Garrett didn't use any of our receivers properly.

 

[Hostile]

isnt that how it always ends? fake *** fans, boy i tell you

they always want to be mr negative, to not look like a homer, but when proven wrong, all of a sudden they have amnesia and ask for forgiveness

Holy stop and look in the mirror. That describes you to a tee.

 

[burmafrd]

Roy Williams has the speed to break the long ones which he has done. One of the easiest ways to see if a WR is a deep threat is to check his YPC.
He is a long strider and a big guy so he is not going to be all that quick.
The routes and plays need to be designed to take advantage of his strengths- just like we did SOME of the time with TO.
Having a TC and time to get in sinc with Tony is a big plus. Last year they did not know each other and that is NOT a good thing. Add to Tony's injury and Roy's injury and its no surprise to me at all that things did not go well last year. But to say that is what is going to happen this year is just plain stupid. BUt then we have a lot of stupid fantasy morons on this board.

 

[khiladi]

That's a pretty lengthy copout. So, when's the next Jason Garrett manifesto?

Are you upset that I didn't have to 'work' for an answer that completely refuted you? Poor baby... Keep acting as if you 'won' and I 'copped-out'... Or how abuot spending another hour or so on photoshopping another creative image, all the while pretending you don't care for my opinion.

 

[DallasEast]

Are you upset that I didn't have to 'work' for an answer that completely refuted you? Poor baby... Keep acting as if you 'won' and I 'copped-out'... Or how abuot spending another hour or so on photoshopping another creative image, all the while pretending you don't care for my opinion.

Oh no. Don't believe that for a moment. I do care about your opinion, which was:

I thought everybody blamed TO for all the team's failures...

Of course, the copout for supporting your very own opinion doesn't help your false argument one bit. Mosley may be flattered that you think that you look upon him as "everybody" though.

Come on! You CAN do it! Let's see a sampling of... say... twenty articles or posts or even excerpts where someone claimed that Terrell Owens was the sole cause of all the team's woes in 2008.

Twenty is too tough, eh? How about fifteen?

Still too much, huh? Let's settle for ten. Ten statements doesn't come close to equaling a respectful sampling of "everybody". Yet, it's a heck of a lot more than one (flimsy) example, ain't it?

Still can't do it? Darn. That's okay. Jason Garrett is the devil. Post a sermon so that we can all share in the good news, whydontcha? Got any butter?

 

[khiladi]

There you go again, trying to make an argument our of a hyperbole. It isn't hard to grasp, really. The simple fact is all I had to do was open up an artilce from Mosley on the very same day you made your ridiculous request, which confirmed every single point I made. I wasn't performing any search. There was no work involved, and guess what? I'm not going to do work for you, simply to cater to your request. Whether it is 20, 15, 10 articles, I don't have to go and do a thesis, especially at your request, simply to prove a point that was amply demonstrated with such little effort. Are you paying me?What is further amusing is now your griping about me using Mosley, as if this changes the point. Whether it was Watkins, Taylor, Mosley or the Buffalo news, it doesn't matter. Every single statement I made was confirmed in one single article from somebody in the media. 20 articles, 15 articles, 10 articles... Just get it through your head that it's over. It was over before you even made your request, because my point is already well-established.