BTB Vela: The New Cowboys Year Has Already Begun (some interesting tidbits)

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by Rafael Vela on Feb 10, 2009 9:16 AM CST

While the tabloids sniff at Tony and Jessica's underwear drawers and the T.O. saga continues to generate lines of copy, and the Roy Willies toss Molotov cocktails at their coaches, the organization has moved deep into its offseason preparations.

The scouting staff is working on completing its initial board, before jetting off to Indianapolis for next week's Combine. Certain positions, offensive and defensive linemen in particular, whose rankings do not depend on 40 times, are being completed first. I've been told that this will be the "purest" board the team compiles, since its based wholly on tape study, and has not been modified by 40 times, psychological reports, interviews and agent smoke.

The pro personnel people also have piles of tape to review. New coaching regimes want their guys. I was told to watch teams that have new coaching staffs and new schemes, the Denvers, the Detroits, the Kansas Citys,and even those who promoted guys from staff, .like San Francisco or Seattle. Good players will be cut, because their coaches don't want them or don't feel they fit the new schemes to be installed. With eleven teams tapping new head men, there's a rare opportunity to land a talented vet or two.

A source advised me to pay closer attention to the needs and team targets expressed this week, because they are honest assessments. Once the Combine begins, teams and agents will throw up columns of smoke to hide their free agent and draft day targets.

The same source verified what we've been saying here for months -- the Cowboys need a safety and offensive linemen. He said he would not be shocked if Dallas took o-linemen with their first two picks, if that's how the board and the draft broke down.

We discussed the Cowboys inability to find quality o-linemen the past few years and he expressed confidence in scouting director Tom Ciskowski; he noted Ciskowski found Larry Allen and advocated against the drafting of Jacob Rogers and Stephen Peterman, two of Bill Parcells' biggest misses.

I got some more information on the Cowboys' draft profiles at various positions and will start rolling out breakdowns of each position later this week.

In the meantime, know that the organization is running at 10,000 rpm. The Roy Williams of the world may have a little too much time on their hands, but the scouts and coaches are eyeballs-deep in game tape.
 

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Vela always good for some interesting nuggets. Looks like significant resources will be devoted to finding safties and offensive lineman, in FA and draft.
 

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Lot of confidence in Ciskowski. We have a ton of picks, so I'm sure we'll find some gems like Scandrick and Choice. As long as we keep adding talent like that this team will be fine.
 

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OL with the first two picks? That doesn't make sense to me with so many new contracts doled out the last couple of years. We need some, but more developmental guys IMO.

And we definitely need a safety, but we need ILB even more. I wonder if Vela's source just left that out, or if they plan to re-sign Burnett (I hope not).
 

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Nothing was really revealed in the article that isn't common sense, I would expect that the staff and scouts should darn well be busy considering this is a crucial part of the year for them.
 

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We better put more of a premium on character and heart and draft more guys like Jones and Choice and less guys like Jenkins and Bennett. I know those guys have a ton of potential, but unless they grow up and mature they will never reach their potential and we will end up disappointed.

This team needs a ton of guys like Tashard Choice and Felix Jones.
 

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Just pick the BPA....

I have confidence in our scouting....
 

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intresting the guy who constantly bashes parcells for what he did here, now has a source who tells him ciskowski was against rogers and peterman.

I wonder what he thought of james Marten? that must have been another ireland guy.

and we better be finding lineman. But if we miss again on lineman as we have for two decades essentially, just like wr the team will suffer for it for awhile.
 

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theebs;2631764 said:
intresting the guy who constantly bashes parcells for what he did here, now has a source who tells him ciskowski was against rogers and peterman.

I wonder what he thought of james Marten? that must have been another ireland guy.

and we better be finding lineman. But if we miss again on lineman as we have for two decades essentially, just like wr the team will suffer for it for awhile.
Vela bashes Parcells? I don't recall that. Maybe he's changed his mind over the years.

I remember he wrote something that threw the team under the bus for making Parcells walk away.
 

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WoodysGirl;2631768 said:
Vela bashes Parcells? I don't recall that. Maybe he's changed his mind over the years.

I remember he wrote something that threw the team under the bus for making Parcells walk away.


every time he blogs he has some nugget throwing blame in that direction. I often wonder if his source is brian broaddus, he seems to have alot of the same opinions.

Velas blog a few weeks ago about how great the 08 draft was and how poor the 04 draft was, was completely ridiculous.

What he never talks about, because he probably doesnt even know is that ciskowski has been here for awhile and so has director of college scouting chris hall and we had missed on lineman before parcells, during parcells and after. So maybe, its just an organizational scouting flaw on lineman, and wr while we are at it.

but then again, someone found austin. I dont know who, so I hope that same group can find another austin.
 

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theebs;2631776 said:
every time he blogs he has some nugget throwing blame in that direction. I often wonder if his source is brian broaddus, he seems to have alot of the same opinions.

Velas blog a few weeks ago about how great the 08 draft was and how poor the 04 draft was, was completely ridiculous.

What he never talks about, because he probably doesnt even know is that ciskowski has been here for awhile and so has director of college scouting chris hall and we had missed on lineman before parcells, during parcells and after. So maybe, its just an organizational scouting flaw on lineman, and wr while we are at it.

but then again, someone found austin. I dont know who, so I hope that same group can find another austin.
Austin's workout numbers were very, very good, so he was inevitably going to catch on somewhere. The real feat is that they actually kept him around this long to let him develop, because he looked absolutely horrible during his 2nd year.
 

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They need to find a suitable replacement for Flo b/c he seems to be on his last leg. Hopefully, T.C. & co. can find a stud OT during the first day of the draft who we can groom for Adams' replacement. As far as ILB, I think KB will be re-signed, but we still need to draft for depth b/c odds are he'll be hurt! Safety should be another 1st day pick unless they find one via f/a. Finally, there's something to think about other than the TO/Garrett/Reeves bs that has been hounding the boards lately!! :D
 

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theebs;2631776 said:
every time he blogs he has some nugget throwing blame in that direction. I often wonder if his source is brian broaddus, he seems to have alot of the same opinions.

Velas blog a few weeks ago about how great the 08 draft was and how poor the 04 draft was, was completely ridiculous.

What he never talks about, because he probably doesnt even know is that ciskowski has been here for awhile and so has director of college scouting chris hall and we had missed on lineman before parcells, during parcells and after. So maybe, its just an organizational scouting flaw on lineman, and wr while we are at it.

but then again, someone found austin. I dont know who, so I hope that same group can find another austin.
I guess if you're looking for something, you'll find it.

No draft is perfect. For the most part, the drafts have been solid. Tho, I think you can find some question marks or something to criticize in all of them.
 

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WoodysGirl;2631784 said:
I guess if you're looking for something, you'll find it.

No draft is perfect. For the most part, the drafts have been solid. Tho, I think you can find some question marks or something to criticize in all of them.


no doubt. That is why I said this organization has not been able to draft wr or lineman forever.

I was just referencing his recent bagging on the parcells era by using the 08 draft against the 04 draft. Comparing the 08 draft to 05 or 03 and his story would have changed.

and I agree we need lineman, but if we take offensive lineman with our first two picks this year, that means free is probably out, now you have wasted another draft pick from 07 which is now a pretty thin looking draft. and oh by the way, free and marten would now equal rogers and peterman.

anyway, if you use your first two picks on lineman, where would they play? there is no way they play for at least two seasons.

If they feel they can take two lineman with our first two picks and turn them into regular players in the next 3 years I am all for it, that is how a good team is built. I guess you could take two picks and then kick procter and mcquistan out and still have free and the starters but that seems like a non jerry type move.
 

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The 04 draft was terrible, and the 08 draft was good. Is that really in question?

And Rogers was a Parcells pick, too many people have said it. Broaddus said the scouting staff even warned him about all his injuries and that he wasn't tough, and that Parcells wanted him anyway. (And I don't agree that BB trashes Parcells all the time. IMO he's very fair to a guy who fired him. He gives Parcells credit for plenty of things when I've heard him.)

I actually think Peterman was an okay pick. It wasn't anyone's fault that he had a truly horrendous knee injury that took so long to come back from. But he has started in the NFL for a couple of years now, so it's not like he couldn't play at all. What I can't figure out is why Parcells soured on him all of a sudden after he was almost all the way back from the knee.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2631801 said:
The 04 draft was terrible, and the 08 draft was good. Is that really in question?

And Rogers was a Parcells pick, too many people have said it. Broaddus said the scouting staff even warned him about all his injuries and that he wasn't tough, and that Parcells wanted him anyway.

I actually think Peterman was an okay pick. It wasn't anyone's fault that he had a truly horrendous knee injury that took so long to come back from. but he has started in the NFL for a couple of years now, so it's not like he couldn'tt play at all. What I can't figure out is why Parcells soured on him all of a sudden after he was almost all the way back from the knee.

Your misunderstanding me. the 08 draft was good and we all know the 04 draft was not. So picking that year to compare was ridiculous, compare 08 to 05 or 03 to make an argument.

and Yes I listened to that same segment with broaddus, I know that was all parcells. He completely missed on that one. but he wasnt here for James Marten.

I dont know what happened with peterman either. I just think he found it better for johnson to play center and gurode to play right guard. Gurode drove parcells crazy with his up and down play, so maybe in the end he just thought gurode was the better player and worth the effort...I dont know.

and for what its worth, if stanbach flames out and free is gone within a year the 07 draft will be as bad or worse.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2631754 said:
OL with the first two picks? That doesn't make sense to me with so many new contracts doled out the last couple of years. We need some, but more developmental guys IMO.

And we definitely need a safety, but we need ILB even more. I wonder if Vela's source just left that out, or if they plan to re-sign Burnett (I hope not).
They're all in their 30s.

Flo didn't look last year like he'd last much longer. A high pick on a potential LT might be a great investment.
 

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No one can say the '08 draft was good, yet. It has potential, but it's way too early to proclaim it a success. Way too many unanswered questions, especially with the first 3 picks, IMO.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2631754 said:
OL with the first two picks? That doesn't make sense to me with so many new contracts doled out the last couple of years. We need some, but more developmental guys IMO.


What do you think those guys are going to be, if not developmental, if they're picked in the late 2nd and early 3rd rounds ?

FLO has, at best, 2 more years ( in reality, I think this is his last year ). Kozier is probably on the same boat.

What they really need to do is make sure the O-linemen fit AND give them playing time. Not just have them sitting around all game long, making judgements on just practices.
 
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