BTB Vela: The New Cowboys Year Has Already Begun (some interesting tidbits)

[Randy White]

What he never talks about, because he probably doesnt even know is that ciskowski has been here for awhile and so has director of college scouting chris hall and we had missed on lineman before parcells, during parcells and after. So maybe, its just an organizational scouting flaw on lineman, and wr while we are at it.

but then again, someone found austin. I dont know who, so I hope that same group can find another austin.

Only two O-linemen ( drafted ) and two receivers ( drafted/developed ) in the last, oh, I don't know, 15, 16 years ?

FLO, Gurode, Austin, and Crayton. I think that's pathetic.

Now, some of the players that were drafted simply were misjudged and developed somewhere else ( Antonio Bryant, Peterman, Al Johnson ), but for the most part it's just been dry well after dry well.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

What do you think those guys are going to be, if not developmental, if they're picked in the late 2nd and early 3rd rounds ?

What are the ILB and S going to be if we pick them even later than that and we might need them to actually START this year?

I'm all for drafting OL, but we're missing two high picks this year, and we have other more pressing needs IMO.

If there's a LT in the second round that can come in and beat out Flo right away, then great, draft him. But I doubt that player is out there.

 

[theebs]

Only two O-linemen ( drafted ) and two receivers ( drafted/developed ) in the last, oh, I don't know, 15, 16 years ?

FLO, Gurode, Austin, and Crayton. I think that's pathetic.

Now, some of the players that were drafted simply were misjudged and developed somewhere else ( Antonio Bryant, Peterman, Al Johnson ), but for the most part it's just been dry well after dry well.

That speaks volumes about Jerry and the front office.

and his answer to all the misses or non attempts at lineman and wr is to spend a ton in free agency, which is another bad move.

 

[Randy White]

That speaks volumes about Jerry and the front office.

and his answer to all the misses or non attempts at lineman and wr is to spend a ton in free agency, which is another bad move.

Well, the thing is that, as bad as they've been in drafting developing linemen, ironically, they've been very successful at signing them through FA * Lately *.

Guys like Columbo, Kozier, and Holland have been nice finds.

 

[pgreptom]

Gosh I will be pissed if we pick two o-lineman...

We have needs at FS, OLB, CB, backup HB.. I understand the 'BPA' philospohy.. but, didn't we just re-sign Adams, Columbo, and Guorde? Bigg got a long term contract, too. I think Kosier has 2 years, and we just traded for Holland. Not to mention Free.

Bah. It would mean Free was a bust. Was only a 4th, though, if I remember correctly.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Lot of confidence in Ciskowski. We have a ton of picks, so I'm sure we'll find some gems like Scandrick and Choice. As long as we keep adding talent like that this team will be fine.

It will certainly go a long way to keep this team from turning into as piss poor a situation as some other situations in the league.

 

[Rampage]

Gosh I will be pissed if we pick two o-lineman...

We have needs at FS, OLB, CB, backup HB.. I understand the 'BPA' philospohy.. but, didn't we just re-sign Adams, Columbo, and Guorde? Bigg got a long term contract, too. I think Kosier has 2 years, and we just traded for Holland. Not to mention Free.

Bah. It would mean Free was a bust. Was only a 4th, though, if I remember correctly.

we have a need for a backup hb but not an ILB?

 

[Iago33]

What are the ILB and S going to be if we pick them even later than that and we might need them to actually START this year?

I'm all for drafting OL, but we're missing two high picks this year, and we have other more pressing needs IMO.

If there's a LT in the second round that can come in and beat out Flo right away, then great, draft him. But I doubt that player is out there.

I don't think we will have two rookies starting--heck, I don't think we will have any. I think all our rookies will be backup/rotational anyway.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Good point about teams switching schemes. Some teams might switch their whole defense into a 4-3 and leave some guys left out. Could be some good solid players to help fill some holes..

 

[SLATEmosphere]

we have a need for a backup hb but not an ILB?

I think he meant "QB"..theres no way he meant "HB"

 

[sonnyboy]

Wouldn't mind 2 OL on day one. We are old and thin there.

Look at the long term trends. OL is the most often injured position on the field. Now condsider we have one of the older groups in the league. Just makes sense.

In an ideal world, perhaps we'd have an OL and S as the BPA in the 2nd and 3rd rd. But I still think we should be looking to select 3 at OL.

I have the most confidence in this team's ability to draft since Johnson was here.

Wouldn't mind seeing us select 9-11 guys. Go BPA across the board and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Oh_Canada]

They need to find a suitable replacement for Flo b/c he seems to be on his last leg. Hopefully, T.C. & co. can find a stud OT during the first day of the draft who we can groom for Adams' replacement. As far as ILB, I think KB will be re-signed, but we still need to draft for depth b/c odds are he'll be hurt! Safety should be another 1st day pick unless they find one via f/a. Finally, there's something to think about other than the TO/Garrett/Reeves bs that has been hounding the boards lately!!

Yup, Flo is one of the first people who need to dumped.

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

Yup, Flo is one of the first people who need to dumped.

I still think he has some game, but the writing's on the wall and we need to be prepared for him breaking down...

 

[28 Joker]

I would love taking two offensive linemen if the board broke that way. I can't wait for his next information. I would be very happy. A Duke Robinson or Herman Johnson solidifies the interior of the offensive line. Kyle Kosier will be allowed to walk after 2009, imo. LT needs to be addressed. Dallas will be in a position to do it in the 4th round. The backups on the lines are terrible.

I'm convinced Herman Johnson will probably be there at # 51. If he clears the Bears, he should be there. If he's there, I think Dallas takes him and celebrates. Johnson is just the type of player the Cowboys love on the offensive line. He has the potential, after he gets his weight down some, to play RT, too. I think he can be a dominant guard in the running game. His pass protection has improved every season, too. He has long arms and is very strong. I bet the Steelers would love to have him, but they will pick last in round 2. In my opinion, Dallas will track Duke Robinson, and he will probably go in the first 10 picks of round 2 or slide slightly out of them. Dallas will be content to wait for Johnson, imo.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I would love taking two offensive linemen if the board broke that way. I can't wait for his next information. I would be very happy. A Duke Robinson or Herman Johnson solidifies the interior of the offensive line. Kyle Kosier will be allowed to walk after 2009, imo. LT needs to be addressed. Dallas will be in a position to do it in the 4th round. The backups on the lines are terrible.

I'm convinced Herman Johnson will probably be be there at # 51. If he clears the Bears, he should be there. If he's there, I think Dallas takes him and celebrates. Johnson is just the type of player the Cowboys love on the offensive line. He has the potential, after he gets his weight down some, to play RT, too. I think he can be a dominant guard in the running game. His pass protection has improved every season, too. He has long arms and is very strong. I bet the Steelers would love to have him, but they will pick last in round 2. In my opinion, Dallas will track Duke Robinson, and he will probably go in the first 10 picks of round 2 or slide slightly out of them. Dallas will be content to wait for Johnson, imo.

Johnson will eat himself out of the league and become injury prone because of his weight. ALA Montrae Holland. They gave up a 5th for Montrae, I dont think they are quite willing to give up on the guy just yet. Duke Robinson is a far better athlete and much more potential. I would be shocked if they grabbed an OG with the first pick. With Kosier,BIGG, and Holland I'm not sure where one fits in with the many other postions needed to be filled.

 

[jterrell]

every time he blogs he has some nugget throwing blame in that direction. I often wonder if his source is brian broaddus, he seems to have alot of the same opinions.

Velas blog a few weeks ago about how great the 08 draft was and how poor the 04 draft was, was completely ridiculous.

What he never talks about, because he probably doesnt even know is that ciskowski has been here for awhile and so has director of college scouting chris hall and we had missed on lineman before parcells, during parcells and after. So maybe, its just an organizational scouting flaw on lineman, and wr while we are at it.

but then again, someone found austin. I dont know who, so I hope that same group can find another austin.

not disagreeing with you but it would be odd if broadus bashed the 04 draft he was a part of and loved the 08 draft where he wasn't.

btw i have always suspected one of the reason brian was axed was he was too chummy with radio row.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Austin's workout numbers were very, very good, so he was inevitably going to catch on somewhere. The real feat is that they actually kept him around this long to let him develop, because he looked absolutely horrible during his 2nd year.

Not the whole year he didn't people just fixated on the two drops in the Washington game.

 

[dbair1967]

Lot of confidence in Ciskowski. We have a ton of picks, so I'm sure we'll find some gems like Scandrick and Choice. As long as we keep adding talent like that this team will be fine.

I have full confidence in the scouts doing their job and us making pretty good to very good picks in April.

It's the stuff that happens afterwards I have little faith in. We can add all the talent in the world, but if they are coached so poorly and mediocrity is so easily accepted, it wont matter.

 

[dbair1967]

intresting the guy who constantly bashes parcells for what he did here, now has a source who tells him ciskowski was against rogers and peterman.
I wonder what he thought of james Marten? that must have been another ireland guy.

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It's been pretty widely reported that Parcells totally went against the scouts opinions in regards to both those guys above, as well as Al Johnson.

 

[dbair1967]

That speaks volumes about Jerry and the front office.

and his answer to all the misses or non attempts at lineman and wr is to spend a ton in free agency, which is another bad move.

There's nothing wrong with spending on PROVEN commodities. Kosier was a relative bargain and has been a dependable, quality starter. Davis was signed to a huge deal, but he's been pretty dominant and been voted to two probowls. Colombo we got for nothing. Glenn we got for peanuts (trade). Owens got a good deal, but his original deal was extremely safe and he has been ultra productive. The jury is out on RW.

We have not missed on many free agents at all...and Jones has not went out and thrown money everywhere, most of the players (especially our best one's) were drafted or signed as rookie free agents by us.