Buckner vs Bosa

[stilltheguru88]

I think 4 is between these 2 and Buckner will be the pick. His measurables compare to Watt (more than Bosa) and the first team he met with was Dallas. Dont be shocked people!

 

[Direwolf63]

Buckner the dummy vs. Bosa the pothead.

Great.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think 4 is between these 2 and Buckner will be the pick. His measurables compare to Watt (more than Bosa) and the first team he met with was Dallas. Dont be shocked people!

On what planet does his measurables matchup to Watt?

his shuttle is .3 less. His 3 cone is half a second slower. His 10 yard is atrocious.

Buckner is not athletic even considering his 290 lbs.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

If Dallas ran a 3-4 he would be up near the top of the draft board. I don't doubt the talent, just not so sure about the scheme fit.

 

[stilltheguru88]

On what planet does his measurables matchup to Watt?

his shuttle is .3 less. His 3 cone is half a second slower. His 10 yard is atrocious.

Buckner is not athletic even considering his 290 lbs.

Hand size, arm length, vertically.

 

[reddyuta]

Buckner is a 3-4 DE,there is zero chance we even consider him at 4.

 

[Hardline]

Any draft that doesn't put Elliott on this team is a big fat fail.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Buckner is a 3-4 DE,there is zero chance we even consider him at 4.

Then why did we meet with him? Somebody who doesnt fit us and we wouldnt meet is Leonard Floyd.

 

[stilltheguru88]

I dont want either guy but we arent going into week 1 with the current starting d line.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Any draft that doesn't put Elliott on this team is a big fat fail.

HYPE!

 

[reddyuta]

Then why did we meet with him? Somebody who doesnt fit us and we wouldnt meet is Leonard Floyd.

I said at 4,we met with a lot of guys who can be trade down candidates but i wouldnt even bother with Buckner.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Buckner is a 3-4 DE,there is zero chance we even consider him at 4.

While I would agree that is where he would be best, that doesn't mean he can't be a 4-3 LDE. Jacksonville used former Miami DT Jared Odrick at LDE, mainly because Gus Bradley used Red Bryant at LDE in Seattle before they got Michael Bennett. This style of defense will usually use a DE at OLB almost resembling a 3-4. Baltimore ran a similar system in 2000 with a larger LDE (Rob Burnett is listed at 265, but I *think* he was closer to 280) and a DE playing OLB in Peter Boulware.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I said at 4,we met with a lot of guys who can be trade down candidates but i wouldnt even bother with Buckner.

Buckner won't last more than a few picks past 4, so if we met with him, I would believe there is interest in taking him at #4

 

[stilltheguru88]

Buckner won't last more than a few picks past 4, so if we met with him, I would believe there is interest in taking him at #4

Lowest ive seen him go is Tampa. Most have him top 5.

 

[reddyuta]

While I would agree that is where he would be best, that doesn't mean he can't be a 4-3 LDE. Jacksonville used former Miami DT Jared Odrick at LDE, mainly because Gus Bradley used Red Bryant at LDE in Seattle before they got Michael Bennett. This style of defense will usually use a DE at OLB almost resembling a 3-4. Baltimore ran a similar system in 2000 with a larger LDE (Rob Burnett is listed at 265, but I *think* he was closer to 280) and a DE playing OLB in Peter Boulware.

to me Buckner VS Bosa is a non contest a a 4-3 DE.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

to me Buckner VS Bosa is a non contest a a 4-3 DE.

I'd like Buckner if it meant moving Gregory to OLB. I'd really like a front 7 that looked like this

RDE- DLawrence
DT- TCrawford
DT- CThorton
LDE- DBuckner
WLB- SLee
ILB- RMcClain
SLB- RGregory (obviously suspended first 4)

 

[Kolemmitt]

I'd like Buckner if it meant moving Gregory to OLB. I'd really like a front 7 that looked like this

RDE- DLawrence
DT- TCrawford
DT- CThorton
LDE- DBuckner
WLB- SLee
ILB- RMcClain
SLB- RGregory (obviously suspended first 4)

I think Buckner could be the pick at 4, if Ramsey, Wentz, and Bosa are gone, but there is no way R. Gregory is moving to SLB. In a 4-3 those are very different positions.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

I'd like Buckner if it meant moving Gregory to OLB. I'd really like a front 7 that looked like this

RDE- DLawrence
DT- TCrawford
DT- CThorton
LDE- DBuckner
WLB- SLee
ILB- RMcClain
SLB- RGregory (obviously suspended first 4)

Why do people always try to change player's positions when projecting? There is simply no way Gregory will be moved to play LB in a marianelli 4-3.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I think Buckner could be the pick at 4, if Ramsey, Wentz, and Bosa are gone, but there is no way R. Gregory is moving to SLB. In a 4-3 those are very different positions.

Why do people always try to change player's positions when projecting? There is simply no way Gregory will be moved to play LB in a marianelli 4-3.

Marianelli may not, but Mathias Kiwanuka (DE from boston college) wasn't the athlete that Gregory is and played 4-3 OLB for the SB champion Giants. Peter Boulware (DE from Florida State) played 4-3 OLB for the super bowl champion Ravens. Bruce Irvin (DE from West Virginia) played 4-3 OLB for the SB champion Seattle Seahawks. And fwiw, scheme wise we're not night and day different from Seattle (personel wise we are and results wise we are), so just once I'd love for someone to tell me why Greggory can't play OLB in a 4-3, instead of assuming I don't know the difference between a 3-4 and a 4-3. If your reason is, we can't trust the pot head, sure, but I would say that physcically there's no reason he can't.

Even Vic Beasley (DE from Clemson) is currently playing LB for Atlanta

 

[texbumthelife]

If Dallas ran a 3-4 he would be up near the top of the draft board. I don't doubt the talent, just not so sure about the scheme fit.

Even then I don't think he would be considered at #4 because he would be a 3-4 DE who generally aren't asked to do anything but occupy blockers, with Watt being the obvious exception.