Buckner vs Bosa

[texbumthelife]

Marianelli may not, but Mathias Kiwanuka (DE from boston college) wasn't the athlete that Gregory is and played 4-3 OLB for the SB champion Giants. Peter Boulware (DE from Florida State) played 4-3 OLB for the super bowl champion Ravens. Bruce Irvin (DE from West Virginia) played 4-3 OLB for the SB champion Seattle Seahawks. And fwiw, scheme wise we're not night and day different from Seattle (personel wise we are and results wise we are), so just once I'd love for someone to tell me why Greggory can't play OLB in a 4-3, instead of assuming I don't know the difference between a 3-4 and a 4-3. If your reason is, we can't trust the pot head, sure, but I would say that physcically there's no reason he can't.

I don't know if he "couldn't" but you would certainly be negating Gregory's best qualities and asking him to do something he has done very little of. Irvin is a LEO for Seattle who blitzes almost exclusively--a dramatic departure from what we do. Kiwanuka started his career as a DE and moved to LB because the Giants were so loaded along the DL that he couldn't crack the lineup. As far as Boulware, I am not 100% certain, but I am pretty sure the Ravens used him as a rush outside backer in a 34 considerably more than a 43 OLB. Gregory may be able to play OLB and he may even be successful there, but if he is going to rush the passer from there and have a career consistent with the guys you listed, Marinelli would have to dramatically alter his play-calling to feature much more blitzing (which I would personally love).

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I don't know if he "couldn't" but you would certainly be negating Gregory's best qualities and asking him to do something he has done very little of.

Fair point, however, *if* we draft a DE at #4, whether it's Bosa, Bucker or who ever, this would allow us to put all of our pass rushers on the field on most downs.

Irvin is a LEO for Seattle who blitzes almost exclusively--a dramatic departure from what we do.

Which is what I'm suggesting we do if we draft a DE at #4. Now ultimately Marinelli may not, but this is a role I think Gregory could thrive in

Kiwanuka started his career as a DE and moved to LB because the Giants were so loaded along the DL that he couldn't crack the lineup.

While I would not call us loaded, I think it would be good to get Gregory on the field more, but only if we draft a DE at #4. If we do not, I would keep him at DE.

As far as Boulware, I am not 100% certain, but I am pretty sure the Ravens used him as a rush outside backer in a 34 considerably more than a 43 OLB.

Baltimore did switch to a 3-4 in 2002, when Marvin Lewis went to Washington, thus he did spend the rest of his career as a 3-4 OLB. However from 1997-2001 he was a 4-3 OLB

Gregory may be able to play OLB and he may even be successful there, but if he is going to rush the passer from there and have a career consistent with the guys you listed, Marinelli would have to dramatically alter his play-calling to feature much more blitzing (which I would personally love).

I agree, but personally think it would be a good move *if* we draft a DE at #4

 

[Gaede]

I think Buckner would play DT.

Not a fan. Love what I read about him, but just not impressed at all when I watch him.

Reminds me of Marcus Spears

 

[Hardline]

HYPE!

Show me his hyped up game tape (Not youtube highlights)and hyped up statistics.

 

[texbumthelife]

Fair point, however, *if* we draft a DE at #4, whether it's Bosa, Bucker or who ever, this would allow us to put all of our pass rushers on the field on most downs.



Which is what I'm suggesting we do if we draft a DE at #4. Now ultimately Marinelli may not, but this is a role I think Gregory could thrive in



While I would not call us loaded, I think it would be good to get Gregory on the field more, but only if we draft a DE at #4. If we do not, I would keep him at DE.



Baltimore did switch to a 3-4 in 2002, when Marvin Lewis went to Washington, thus he did spend the rest of his career as a 3-4 OLB. However from 1997-2001 he was a 4-3 OLB



I agree, but personally think it would be a good move *if* we draft a DE at #4

Let me be clear, I would love using Gregory in the LEO role. I wasn't arguing against that at all. In fact, that would be a dream come true for this defense (in my eyes).

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Let me be clear, I would love using Gregory in the LEO role. I wasn't arguing against that at all. In fact, that would be a dream come true for this defense (in my eyes).

which is what I've been suggesting for a while now, only for everyone (not you) telling me this isn't a 3-4 and Gregory can't play OLB in a 4-3.

some people should try watching teams other than Dallas from time to time.

 

[texbumthelife]

which is what I've been suggesting for a while now, only for everyone (not you) telling me this isn't a 3-4 and Gregory can't play OLB in a 4-3.

some people should try watching teams other than Dallas from time to time.

My only argument, and this is simply reality speaking, is that Marinelli would have to essentially do a complete 180 in his defensive philosophy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Show me his hyped up game tape (Not youtube highlights)and hyped up statistics.

I love this. You make the claim that the offseason is a failure unless we go with the obviously hyped pick and now I'm supposed to disprove it.

He didn't outperform Gordon from last year.

 

[TheCoolFan]

Trade down, go get Lawson or Ogbah instead!

 

[stilltheguru88]

I love this. You make the claim that the offseason is a failure unless we go with the obviously hyped pick and now I'm supposed to disprove it.

He didn't outperform Gordon from last year.

lol at that compaison. smh

 

[conner01]

to me Buckner VS Bosa is a non contest a a 4-3 DE.

I see Buckner more of a DT or 3/4 de
Now he might be good inside next to Crawford and when Irving is in there QB might have trouble seeing over than but don't see him as a 4/3 de myself

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

lol at that compaison. smh

lol at your lack of critical thinking in coming to a conclusion.

Gordon broke the NCAA rushing record with over 2500 yards in the same conference Elliott couldn't break 2000 in.

They're both out of the big 10 and both have running styles predicated on agility and balance as opposed to power. They are very similar backs and contemporaries of each other; Gordon outperformed him by a ton.

 

[stilltheguru88]

lol at your lack of critical thinking in coming to a conclusion.

Gordon broke the NCAA rushing record with over 2500 yards in the same conference Elliott couldn't break 2000 in.

They're both out of the big 10 and both have running styles predicated on agility and balance as opposed to power. They are very similar backs and contemporaries of each other; Gordon outperformed him by a ton.

the only thing lacking is your ability to judge football players. gordon is soft, zeke isnt. go to bed.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

the only thing lacking is your ability to judge football players. gordon is soft, zeke isnt. go to bed.

Show me all the tape of Elliott pushing piles and running people over. Elliott is technically sound and willing but he is not overpowering by any stretch.

Bosa out jumped him at the combine and weighs 50 lbs more.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Show me all the tape of Elliott pushing piles and running people over. Elliott is technically sound and willing but he is not overpowering by any stretch.

Bosa out jumped him at the combine and weighs 50 lbs more.

Im not entertaining zeke vs Gordon.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Buckner is who I've felt they would pick all along. Not my preference.......looks like a 3-4 D but I think the team likes his size and ability to play anywhere along the DL in any front.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Buckner is who I've felt they would pick all along. Not my preference.......looks like a 3-4 D but I think the team likes his size and ability to play anywhere along the DL in any front.

will mclay will either be a genuis or public enemy number 1 because Buckneris less popular than Bosa on here.

 

[Hardline]

I love this. You make the claim that the offseason is a failure unless we go with the obviously hyped pick and now I'm supposed to disprove it.

He didn't outperform Gordon from last year.

If you are going to claim Elliot is a hyped pick I would definitely love to see some evidence of it.
Elite talent is rarely hyped .

 

[ccb04]

I'd take Bosa over Buckner...and likely Lawson on a trade down over both.

Not overly enamored with this class of edge players. The DT class trumps it fairly significantly. I do like certain aspects of Bosa's game...but believe Lawson could potentially play either side & he tested better than expected athletically. Of course, his shoulder would have to check out medically if the reports were accurate.

 

[jnday]

Buckner the dummy vs. Bosa the pothead.

Great.

To top it off, neither one is the best pass rusher in the draft.