Charles said:
Once again selective memory.
Carter was effective when he replaced Chad Pennington. The Jets went 2-1 when Chad went down.
Who were the Jets counting on when Chad went down????
No one knows for a fact what problems Carter has right NOW and why he hasn't signed with any team, but the facts are he performed effectively when the Jets needed him.
35/58 for 498 yards 2 TDs 1 Int 2-1 record in the month of November with a play-off spot in jeopardy is effective by every sensible standard.
Especially when you factor in limited snaps, new offense and pressure of performing when the starter goes down. .
I don't agree that it is selective memory (I see that you still like to use that term)
Carter would always have an occasional game where he put up stellar numbers. Remember the game against the 49'rs where he got offensive player of the week...that was an excellent performance.
His problem was one of consistency.
Also, he went awol at a time when the Jet's needed him most. You cannot overlook this. Yes...the numbers you posted are good numbers. But IMO they are overshadowed by the fact that he deserted his team at a critical time.
I would also have to see consistency over more than just 2 games.
Charles said:
Didn't you just make this statement:
Just think......it was not too long ago that the largest and longest standing debate on this board was how good QC was.........and how you were a racist if you were White and did not think he was a good quarterback. Especially if you were white and from the south.
What are you insinuating?
If you are not referring to me or everyone then be specific because the above statement insinuates that those who defended Carter labelled guys like you racist when that is factually incorrect. .
It is not an insinuation. It is a fact.
The fact is that I was called a racist by several regular posters because I was white, was from the south and I had the opinion that Quincy should not be our QB. I know this happenned. I am not going to look up the archives to prove it to you. You can feel free to look them up yourself if you do not believe me or ask the Mods to ban me for making up false accusations.
I do not remember you (Qcard) being one of these posters. I do remember that you were very passionate about Quincy and that you were very sensitive to words like majority. You got real sensitive about generalizations. I cannot blame you on either count. As a fan you are free to support the players that you like just as I am. And I can completely understand your issue with generalizations.
Charles said:
Ditto
My brother lives down south (texas). He thought Quincy Carter was the worst QB he ever saw. I didn't label him a racist. By the way he's black
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I don't concern myself with the color of someone's skin when it comes to thier opinion regarding who is the best candidate to be the QB of the Cowboys. It has not bearing. We are all fans.
Charles said:
Fair enough.
If so many people know what you already know then why was Carter signed by the Jets after they also had the luxury of watching the same games you watched.
If so many people know what you already know then why is Carter's name still coming up... .
I already said that I should not have used the word many. I did not take a national poll so I have no way of knowing if it was many / same or less. There were people on both sides of the argument. And most (I will use the word here) on this forum were able to debate the issue without bringing in race.
Charles said:
Those who called you a racist southerner for your opinion about Carter IMHO should have been banned. I have read your posts for almost 2 years and I don't think you are a racist. You are entitled to your opinion. .
Thanks. We are on the same page here....and it is the main issue I am concerned with.
Charles said:
Of course you can't bite it was a rhetorical question
I thought you
"already knew".
Now you need more than 16 games?
I was a supporter of Carters in his first year. I saw enough flashes of greatness to give me hope. Although I did question his consistency early on.
But he was a rookie and it was his first year.
It was not until the second year that I began to really question his ability.
Charles said:
The facts are:
Carter is good enough to Quarterback a team into the play-offs. Parcells stated he lead HIS into the play-offs. Parcells didn't trust him to do it again and the presence of a viable option (Vinny) made the release easy. We all know he wasn't going to play Henson (2004 proved it beyond a reasonable doubt....Vinny's arm was shot by Thanksgiving and Parcells patience only lasted 2 Qtrs.).
Carter is good enough to lead a play-off contending team with limited reps and limited knowledge of offense. He did it in late November for the Jets when Chad went down.
You can't refute the facts. You are entitled to your opinion, but facts win every day and twice on Sunday.
I'm sorry but I don't agree.
I think Carter has all the physical skills in the world....but I don't think he has the mental toughness. I posted in a previous thread earlier this week about Vinny. I also don't feel that Vinny had the mental toughness. I feel the same way about Carter.
Either he cannot handle the pressure or he puts to much pressure on himself. Or perhaps he has some kind of mental condition....I don't know and I really don't want to speculate. All I saying is that IMO he cannot consistently perform in this league and it is not because of a lack of natural physical ability.
Charles said:
He's no longer on the team. Why should I carry the handle of a player no longer on the roster.
I'm sorry I made that comment. I let my emotions get the best of me and threw that out as a jab.
Of course it makes no sense to carry a handle of a player who is no longer on the team if you are first and foremost a Cowboys fan.
