News: Building through the draft

[CowboyoWales]

I think DLaw will be released and likely Cooper as well. Only thing that could save Cooper is age and fewer injuries than DLaw. However in the end I think it is pretty likely both will be cap casualties.

Yep, someone has got to Jerry (Stephen?? ) and got through to him that 2021 showed that he's got to look further than the names and good production and that we can't afford players elite contracts for merely good production.it will be interesting what they do with Tyron and his injury hampered contract and La'el, another who's good but should never be paid at a top 5 RT.....I wonder if we at last are saying enough is enough we'll pay the CAP Reaper.

 

[john van brocklin]

Yep, past years have been so bad that this last one looked great.

That only reinforces the plan.

Yes sir

 

[john van brocklin]

Some what we hit on Terrell Owens, Robert Quinn, Randell Cobb, Joe Looney and there have been others as well. I have also seen people scream to get a player and that player ends up being a high dollar FA bust that had we signed him Jerry would have been called an idiot for signing him to a high dollar contract. Earl Thomas comes to mind. I don't see Cowboys changing that much in terms of looking to the draft to build and using mid level FA to come in and fill holes.

Frankly for me the biggest disagreements I have had with Jones in the past is giving up 2 1st rd draft picks in trades like we did with Roy Williams

Joey Galloway too

 

[Doomsday101]

Joey Galloway too

I mentioned that in another thread. Not so much in terms of that players talent but when we got him it cost us 2 1st rd picks and yet Emmitt was no longer playing to the level we needed Aikman was dealing with issues from concussion to back problems and was not playing to the level we needed, OL was retiring and in the meantime the draft picks we needed were gone for 1 player. I'm not coming down on Galloway but the trade cost us more than we gained.

 

[john van brocklin]

I mentioned that in another thread. Not so much in terms of that players talent but when we got him it cost us 2 1st rd picks and yet Emmitt was no longer playing to the level we needed Aikman was dealing with issues from concussion to back problems and was not playing to the level we needed, OL was retiring and in the meantime the draft picks we needed were gone for 1 player. I'm not coming down on Galloway but the trade cost us more than we gained.

Otherwise we lost on that deal overall.

 

[Doomsday101]

Otherwise we lost on that deal overall.

Yes, we got a good player but at that point with that team getting up in age we needed more than 1 player. We needed to start the rebuilding process but Jerry got greedy and tried to get more out of a group that could not get it done any longer.

 

[john van brocklin]

Yes, we got a good player but at that point with that team getting up in age we needed more than 1 player. We needed to start the rebuilding process but Jerry got greedy and tried to get more out of a group that could not get it done any longer.

Are you saying Jerry made a bad GM decision ?

 

[Doomsday101]

Are you saying Jerry made a bad GM decision ?

Yes, I have been critical of Jerry, difference is I don't blame him for every single things. I expect him to bring in talent to this team and based on what I have seen in more recent times, he along with McClay have done just that. I don't have any issue being critical of Jerry then again I also have no issue with giving credit for things I see and like.

 

[eromeopolk]

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...-cap-situation-2022-free-agents-stephen-jones


...We may be tired of listening to Stephen Jones talk about building this team through the draft, but make no mistake about it, that’s exactly what they’re doing. Credit Will McClay and company for doing a remarkable job of not only finding new stars in the draft, but also collecting several reliable starters. Just look at the last four-year rookie cycle and see how many players they have drafted who have had meaningful contributions.

That’s a total of 18 players over four years. And if you include Trysten Hill and Jabril Cox, who have each missed time due to injury, that equates to 20 different draft picks the team has gotten use from. That averages out to five new players each draft. That’s remarkable!

Will McClay.

The issue is you can not let developed players leave without replacing them with developed players.

People forget Cowboys traded for Chuck Howley, John Dutton, Tony Casillas, Charles Haley, etc. and signed Jay Novacek, James Washington, Vinson Smith, etc.

You need to draft well, trade well, and sign free agents well.

 

[Acceptablename]

When Garrett came in building through the draft was the company slogan. That they didn’t hit on picks ended up with guys like TSmith getting to the backside of their career with not much other 100M in the bank.

 

[buybuydandavis]

The problem is the entire class of 2018 is entering free agency and the Cowboys will probably not retain any of them. This is the problem will building through the draft alone. By the time you draft 20 players 25% of them will leave via free agency. You never really get there. But if you draft well for 3 years and then fill holes with free agents, then you can put a championship product on the field.

LVE broke. Looked like he was destined for perennial Pro Bowls before he did. Sad.

The first rounders are the guys you maybe sign long term. Sign the blue chip guys with the measurables. Let the other guys walk and churn them for draft picks. The 2018 draft is going to bring us a *lot* of quality comp picks. Everyone listed but the broken LVE.

 

[Verdict]

The problem is the entire class of 2018 is entering free agency and the Cowboys will probably not retain any of them. This is the problem will building through the draft alone. By the time you draft 20 players 25% of them will leave via free agency. You never really get there. But if you draft well for 3 years and then fill holes with free agents, then you can put a championship product on the field.

I think that if you are going to “build through the draft” without relying on free agents you should probably be deciding on what you are going to do with a player a year before his contract is going to expire.

For example, let’s say that player “x” is one year from becoming a free agent. Either you decide that player is critical to your team and extend him prior to the expiration of his initial deal, or if you can’t extend him to a reasonably team friendly deal—then you trade that player and receive a commensurate pick back for that player and use it to help replace that player.

It sort of works that way in terms of comp picks, but that player has more value than they would otherwise because they are still on their rookie deal when they are made.

Amari Cooper is an example of that in reverse. If the Raiders had waited to let him walk as a free agent the most they could have received would have been a 3rd round comp pick for him. We gave up a first for him, but even a second round would have been a substantial bump over a comp pick.

 

[john van brocklin]

Yes, I have been critical of Jerry, difference is I don't blame him for every single things. I expect him to bring in talent to this team and based on what I have seen in more recent times, he along with McClay have done just that. I don't have any issue being critical of Jerry then again I also have no issue with giving credit for things I see and like.

Fair enough
He has done a great job in letting McClay direct the draft and paying to keep him.
It's the other areas I have not been happy with.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I think that if you are going to “build through the draft” without relying on free agents you should probably be deciding on what you are going to do with a player a year before his contract is going to expire.

For example, let’s say that player “x” is one year from becoming a free agent. Either you decide that player is critical to your team and extend him prior to the expiration of his initial deal, or if you can’t extend him to a reasonably team friendly deal—then you trade that player and receive a commensurate pick back for that player and use it to help replace that player.

It sort of works that way in terms of comp picks, but that player has more value than they would otherwise because they are still on their rookie deal when they are made.

Amari Cooper is an example of that in reverse. If the Raiders had waited to let him walk as a free agent the most they could have received would have been a 3rd round comp pick for him. We gave up a first for him, but even a second round would have been a substantial bump over a comp pick.

spot on, it's not all about about addition it's about reinvesting the assets. For the soccer fan's, Mo Salah at Liverpool is the prime example, he's in the top 3 players in the world, but Liverpool have accepted he's 30, and is seeking at least double his wages. They know they aren't going to reproduce his production, however, they will get about £1m for selling him =3 very good young players.....they will sell him rather than let him walk (like Pogba at Man United).

The real Liverpool - Cowboys similarity is that LFC (similar historical power to the Cowboys) took 30 to win the League and it was heavily based on selling their best player Coutinho and reinvesting that money into the weakness of the team = defence.

I think we need to do the similar in 2022....and yes as you say this should be the blueprint moving forward. How we forget Herschel (ok, different/extreme days, but the principal's the same).