Bunting - Cowboys LOVE T. Smith

[AKATheRake]

If they truly "loved" him, they wouldn't let that leak out. More pre-draft smoke.

Exactly!

When I hear Jerry is having dinner with the guy than I'll believe the hype.

I think they are building him up so teams want to move up for him or actually go after him in the top 10.

He is never mentioned to be taken before us.

Never.

 

[realtick]

Smith scares my at 9, plus we have so many extra holes.
Also we don't ahve a big need at LT we need a day one starting RT. I think Carimi, Smith, Castanzo, and Sherrod can all play here so why take a RT at 9 when we still need a DE, secondary help, and interior OL.

trading back for extra picks and then getting
Carimi, Sherrod, or Castanzo then being able to get a DE, OG, and CB/FS that can come in and help out is alot better than staying at 9 and taking Smith and missing out on another player.

Whats the difference between adding Carimi, Sherrod, or Castanzo over Smith. All will be RTs for us right now, SMith has never played LT in his career so don't tell me he can play LT. Yeah he might be able to one day but sI can say the same about Sherrod and Castanzo.I have a NFL starting LT in Free who played very well against the top pass rushers inthe NFL this year and will only get better.

I agree with most of what you said, but the "who knows" game works both ways. Why are you assuming Carimi, Castanzo and Sherrod can play RT? It it just because they've played LT?

It could be the Cowboys view Smith as a future LT that can step in and play RT right now. The kid is just 20-years old and is easily the most athletic of the bunch.

Were you bent out of shape when the Cowboys cut Flozell and put an unproven Doug Free at LT at the start of this past season?

 

[jjktkk]

Those were 3rd rounders though. I agree, Dallas has been extremely poor at drafting in the 3rd round, but Tyron Smith could be our franchise left tackle for the next 10 years. He has way more upside and production over players like Marten and Brewster IMO.

Isn't Tyron Smith a RT? I consider Smith a reach at #9. Would rather the Boys trade out of the 9 spot and into the lwr 1st round, and then pick their OT.

 

[AKATheRake]

We don't need to use a 1st rounder on a RT. Not at #9. I rather get 1 of the studs in this draft.

Use our high 2nd to get our tackle. move up with it if we have to. Carimi or Sherrod will be there.

 

[JBS]

There is no denying that Smith is a bit of a risky pick..the difference between Smith and Castonzo/Sherrod is that Smith has the potential to be a top end LT in the NFL..those guys don't have that upside.

There is 0 doubt in my mind that OL is this teams #1 hole..I have no issues taking Smith @ 9

 

[realtick]

As for you saying, why draft a LT if we don't need one. I will take two left tackles over one RT and one LT any day. A LT can play RT with some practice. Your LT is always your best tackle, your RT is always the less agile, but big hulking road grader.

I don't think that's necessarily the case anymore. With the increasing popularity of the 34 and pass rush specialists, I think teams are getting away from that notion. In other words, you need to two good athletes at both ends of the offensive line.

Back when the 43 was at its height, teams could get away with lining up a hulking, slow-footed RT against a 6'5 290 DE. Now, they have to be able to beat a 250 OLB to the edge.

 

[YosemiteSam]

We don't need to use a 1st rounder on a RT. Not at #9. I rather get 1 of the studs in this draft.

Use our high 2nd to get our tackle. move up with it if we have to. Carimi or Sherrod will be there.

Again, he is a LT playing RT. Nobody in the NFL is projecting him at RT.

 

[JBS]

I don't think that's necessarily the case anymore. With the increasing popularity of the 34 and pass rush specialists, I think teams are getting away from that notion. In other words, you need to two good athletes at both ends of the offensive line.

Back when the 43 was at its height, teams could get away with lining up a hulking, slow-footed RT against a 6'5 290 DE. Now, they have to be able to beat a 250 OLB to the edge.

This is so true..and it's the biggest argument against we shouldn't draft a RT @ 9..people are stuck in the old NFL..the new NFL requires two stud tackles..we surely don't have two right now

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

There is no denying that Smith is a bit of a risky pick..the difference between Smith and Castonzo/Sherrod is that Smith has the potential to be a top end LT in the NFL..those guys don't have that upside.

There is 0 doubt in my mind that OL is this teams #1 hole..I have no issues taking Smith @ 9

 

[YosemiteSam]

I don't think that's necessarily the case anymore. With the increasing popularity of the 34 and pass rush specialists, I think teams are getting away from that notion. In other words, you need to two good athletes at both ends of the offensive line.

Back when the 43 was at its height, teams could get away with lining up a hulking, slow-footed RT against a 6'5 290 DE. Now, they have to be able to beat a 250 OLB to the edge.

Getting two starting quality LTs type players is a difficult thing to do. This is why you generally get a LT and a hulking guy. It isn't because that was the plan, it's because you is the hand you end up with. We had Flo and Colombo. Colombo was a hulking slow footed guy, Flo wasn't super fast, but he was a mountain and had huge arms and hands. You couldn't run around him which allowed him to play LT. I would take two Flos over a Flo and a Colombo in their prime even with Colombo's lovely attitude.

 

[supercowboy8]

This is so true..and it's the biggest argument against we shouldn't draft a RT @ 9..people are stuck in the old NFL..the new NFL requires two stud tackles..we surely don't have two right now

I'm not stuck in the old style, I have seen Carimi play vs top 1st round talent at LT the last 4 years and he has done a great job. There is nothing to tell me he wouldn't be able to do that in the NFL when three 1st rounders are guys that Carimi stopped over the past few years.

 

[the truth of it all]

Good finally we are addressing oline . I was going to slap someone if we picked amukamura. Nkw let's get huff in fa, if we can lol idk how its working out. But let's do that and watch our corner probs disappear

 

[JBS]

And I still think OL is a bigger need..

Plus, we have likely options in FA to fix that..but even if we didn't, I'd still take OL

Even w all that said..there isn't even a safety worth talking about in the draft

 

[supercowboy8]

I agree with most of what you said, but the "who knows" game works both ways. Why are you assuming Carimi, Castanzo and Sherrod can play RT? It it just because they've played LT?

It could be the Cowboys view Smith as a future LT that can step in and play RT right now. The kid is just 20-years old and is easily the most athletic of the bunch.

Were you bent out of shape when the Cowboys cut Flozell and put an unproven Doug Free at LT at the start of this past season?

Thats what I'm saying, whats the difference if I need a RT right now. I have watched Carimi and Sherrod so much over the year they can easily run block, sherros needs to get stronger but thats easier than learning technique which Smith still needs to do. Both a good vs pass rushers. If you can pass protect on the left side then you can do it on the right side.

No I liked the move of releaseing Adams and plugging in Free. Free showed me he was a good tackle that year when he stepped in at RT and had great foot work. He proved him self and this year he proved he is a top LT in the NFL. So why draft a RT at 9 hoping he can turn into a LT when we haev a LT now. WHy not trade back, add picks and get a OT that can still come in day one and start and improve the team at RT and other positons besides staying at 9 and not adding extra picks and not improve the team at other postions.

I'm ok with drafting Smith, as long as its at a trade back and not at 9.

 

[AKATheRake]

Again, he is a LT playing RT. Nobody in the NFL is projecting him at RT.

Again. Free is our LT and we need a RT.

Yes, Smith is being projected as a LT because of his feet.

Has not played 1 down as one though.

 

[realtick]

Again. Free is our LT and we need a RT.

Yes, Smith is being projected as a LT because of his feet.

Has not played 1 down as one though.

The irony of the point you're trying to make...

Were you this strident when the Cowboys went into the 2010 season with a guy (Free) who had never played LT in the pros?

Do you think the Cowboys felt confident in making that move because of Free's feet?

 

[supercowboy8]

Again. Free is our LT and we need a RT.

Yes, Smith is being projected as a LT because of his feet.

Has not played 1 down as one though.

IFyou think we take SMith at 9 and plug him in at LT as a rookie, on ROmo blind side and think we will just move Free back to RT after the good year he had at LT. No way. How would you think Free would feel about that. Free is a FA and teams would line up for him. Free wants to be a LT.

No way Dallas drafts Smith and starts him at LT. Not a chance.

 

[supercowboy8]

The irony of the point you're trying to make...

Were you this strident when the Cowboys went into the 2010 season with a guy (Free) who had never played LT in the pros?

Do you think the Cowboys felt confident in making that move because of Free's feet?

big difference in a NFL OT that played almost a complete season at RT and has been groomed and coached for years by your OL coaches stepping in a LT and a 20 year rookie RT who has never played LT stepping right in.

 

[AKATheRake]

The irony of the point you're trying to make...

Were you this strident when the Cowboys went into the 2010 season with a guy (Free) who had never played LT in the pros?

Do you think the Cowboys felt confident in making that move because of Free's feet?

Apples and oranges man.

Free was not the 9th overall pick in the draft.

We also had him playing here for a few years before we had him starting at LT.

Even when Free was playing RT the team felt he would fit better at LT because of his feet.

Free is our LT and we should keep it that way. We need a RT and there is not a LT or RT worthy of the 9th pick in the draft.

 

[AKATheRake]

IFyou think we take SMith at 9 and plug him in at LT as a rookie, on ROmo blind side and think we will just move Free back to RT after the good year he had at LT. No way. How would you think Free would feel about that. Free is a FA and teams would line up for him. Free wants to be a LT.

No way Dallas drafts Smith and starts him at LT. Not a chance.

Huh? I don't even want to draft Smith.

I'm like his biggest anti-supporter on this board.

Free is our LT and that's exactly where he should stay. I totally agree with that and was actually making that point.

What part of my post said otherwise bro?