Burger King- Thinks Cowboys will cut TO

[Maikeru-sama]

So he says in latest MMQB.

I believe it to. I think TO has played his last game here.

Excellent player most of the time, has given us some big production. But we will win more without him.

David, I mistakenly took you for a member of Team Terrell Owens .

Also, I have to disagree with you, I believe there are a few signs that Terrell Owens is here in 2009.

Jerry Jones got on Norm Hitzges Show a few days after the Philadelphia Massacre and either outright lied or the members on this site or ill-informed when he stated that if we cut Terrell Owens then it could possibly prevent the Cowboys from re-signing Demarcus Ware.

Many people on this forum have crunched the numbers and most have come to the conclusion that Jerry Jones' statement was an outright lie or Jerry Jones was misinformed.

Why would Jerry Jones be willing to lie outright? It is because Jerry Jones still believes Terrell Owens gives us the best chance to win and releasing Terrell Owens enables the media to say "I TOLD YOU SO".

Also, we know that Jerry Jones is extremely close to Michael Irvin. Michael Irvin was even caught telling Terrell Owens about how Jerry Jones called him and ripped Brad Johnson before Terrell Owens warned him that they were live. Michael Irvin is the First Mate of Team Terrell Owens and he no doubt goes to bat for him when speaking to Jerry Jones. In an interview on the Ticket years ago, when asked who was his favorite player, Jerry Jones stated it was Michael Irvin, so he has alot of pull with Jerry Jones.

Also, I just don't see Jerry Jones swallowing $9.6M.

I believe Terrell Owens is here for another year.

 

[stiletto]

The "coach" (& I use that term loosely) ran away from his perceived problems instead of embracing them and turning them into positives for his team. That's not much of a coach IMO.

He's still here, maybe he's not running away. It's not over yet...

 

[khiladi]

"yep, alot of those turnovers come on plays where he is forcing the ball to TO..."Last I checked, his last two INTs, were when he tried to 'force' the ball to Witten or Roy Williams, when he was blitzed. how about the fumble he had, caused by Dawkins delayed blitz up the middle, which Garrett didn't clearly plan for.

 

[dbair1967]

The defense was the problem at the end of 2006, not the offense.

Gee I must have missed our offense rolling up tons of pts and yards then against New Orleans Philly and Seattle. Even the Detroit game, the offense wasnt that great and 7 of our 31 pts came off Newman's putn return. We couldnt run the ball a lick on them and turned it over a ton against arguably the worst tema in football that yr, at home.

I'm not going to argue the defense was horrible, it was. But so was the offense. They have one good game out of the last 5, the Atlanta game.

But for some reason Sparano gets a pass for that, and Garrett's getting crucified. it also makes no sense to give Sparano credit for 2007 when he was so bad at the end of 2006, and Garrett came in and changed alot of the offense (mainly the passing offense) and we got eons better.

 

[5Stars]

No one denies that. Why do the TO lovers always fall back to that and but not acknowledge that he was one of the problems?

Besides the laundry list of problems, a major one was the fact this team was not a "team." Getting rid of people who aren't with the program, particularly high profile, charasmatic ones sends a big message that unity is first and foremost. As the saying goes, no "I" in team.

True, but there is in "I love me some me"! And that's the only thing that counts in his world.

Oh well, outta here...time to work out.

Long live T.O.

 

[Bleu Star]

He's still here, maybe he's not running away. It's not over yet...

He's only still here because others window shopped but didn't enter the store due to that stench that hit them as the went to open the door.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Please, the coach was sent packing because TO complained to the owner. That's hardly like 'any other player.'

Sends a great message to the team. "These guys dare to confront you, we'll get rid of em boys".

Are you talking about Haley? Pretty sure he wasn't sent packing at all. He just took the Cards OC job.

 

[dadymat]

"yep, alot of those turnovers come on plays where he is forcing the ball to TO..."Last I checked, his last two INTs, were when he tried to 'force' the ball to Witten or Roy Williams, when he was blitzed. how about the fumble he had, caused by Dawkins delayed blitz up the middle, which Garrett didn't clearly plan for.

see that shows their genius.....they knew trying to get it to Owens wouldnt work so they tried something new.........

 

[odog422]

9 million says he is back, take that however you like.

No, it's not about the money. That's been discussed ad nauseum. We're talking 600K. It's whether Jerry agrees that chemisty is more important than keeping one of his faves.

Chemistry - what you, btw, have always maintained is overrated.

 

[Wrangler87]

It's a gamble, but a gamble that I think would pay off. Owens is a huge weight on Romo's back. The tension is there. I just think you make the cut, and hope that the team rallys around the fact that you jetisoned the trouble makers. You hope Roy Williams will come around as the number 1 with a full offseason. I think Miles Austin can be a great WR for this team. You have Crayton and Hurd. Add to that Barber, Choice, Jones, Witten, and Bennett and you have more than enough talent to compete for a Super Bowl.

Besides, Owens game is on the way down. Now is when you cut your losses. Jones is a business man. You sell before it crashes.

Most of this teams problems are completely centered around attitude.

 

[dadymat]

He's only still here because others window shopped but didn't enter the store due to that stench that hit them as the went to open the door.

isnt that why TO is here...?

 

[LatinMind]

is cutting owens going to solve these problems?


yep...spread the ball around to open guys

forcing it to owens or witten? umm steelers game. crayton owens were both open, who did he force it to? was like that alot of the time too.

yep...no longer any pressure from the player or owner to call pass plays designed to get the ball to TO at all costs...plus HC already has said they will be a more run oriented, physical team going forward

lol just wow. actually i only heard 1 post game interview this yr that owens was mad about lack of passes. the cadinals game. possible romos worst game ever. if theres been more id like for u to prove it.

wow...amazing how teams didnt think to try any of that when the offense was rolling huh?

yup when the offense was rolling what was happening? i'd like for u to research stats.

everyone of those guys can get open, in fact alot of times they are wide open when Romo forces the ball into double covered TO

then how come they dont get open? again i suggest u go back to the steelers game

is there a defense thats going to allow all of them to be double covered? and Witten? and Bennett? and put 8-9 in the box too to slow down the 3 headed RB monster?

do u really need to double cover roy, crayton r austin?

when did Harrison and Woodley start playing ILB? and when do they do anything other than rush the passer? once or twice a game?

harrison and woodley do everything. i think this is just u being ignorant to the fact. watch them play and u'll see.

Ware is eons more a complete player than Woodley or Harrison by the way. Did Harrison make a single play again yesterday?

hes a better ATHLETE but not more complete LINEBACKER

 

[Shake_Tiller]

i know its a losing battle but this place is full of people who just think its their duty to either go with the mass opinion. or try to post some unwitty comment that they think is the contrary.

if owens gets cut, ill still be a cowboys fan. but i dont he's this single focal point thats affecting the growth of the team as some would be led to believe. does he say things that make u scratch ur head? sure, but what player doesnt. who cares its not like he affects the team on the field. ive never heard people bash a guy that ives 150% in games, and more then that for practice and the offseason.

for as much as people here bring out theories and have some very intelligent posts on other subjects and really sound educated. alot of them sound pretty stupid and simple minded when it comes to owens.

But anyone on either side could write the same thing. Don't you see? Those who think Owens' skills trump whatever problems he might create see it is the most obvious thing in the world: He needs to stay. Those who think Owens' downside trumps his skill see it as the most obvious thing in the world.

The truth is, most everyone posting here is a Cowboys fan and wants the team to win. There are a myriad of different opinions how that could best be accomplished.

I happen to fall into the camp that figures it's time for Owens to go. I can accept that some folks disagree. It's more difficult for me to accept that my opinion is, de facto, stupid and ill informed.

I have a problem with only one pro-Owens poster. That's Taber, and it's because he isn't a Cowboys fan. He is, by his own admission, a 49ers fan. More accurately, I think, he is an Owens fan. His views aren't shaped by what he thinks is good for the Dallas Cowboys. They're shaped by what he thinks is good for Owens.

Most everyone else cares very deeply about the final result of all of this: An improved, successful football team.

 

[stiletto]

He's only still here because others window shopped but didn't enter the store due to that stench that hit them as the went to open the door.

Why do you hate Garrett so much???

 

[dadymat]

Why do you hate Garrett so much???

because TO told him to....

 

[Bleu Star]

isnt that why TO is here...?

I'll entertain your thought. Sure. Let's say it is. So what's your other point? They both suck? If that's the case then get rid of both and get me Shanahan. I'm perfectly fine with that... (as I have maintained since day one of Shanahan leaving Denver)

I will also maintain that Shanahan would revive the career of TO while Garrett will continue to be worthless in my eyes.

 

[dbair1967]

David, I mistakenly took you for a member of Team Terrell Owens .

It was no secret I never wanted him here, but after he got here I did admit he wasnt as bad as people said. He busts his tail, he's always in amazign shape. he has been very productive.That was until now. Even now he isnt as bad as some make him out to be, but he is part of the problem and I believe we'll never get better as a team as long as he's here now.

Jerry Jones got on Norm Hitzges Show a few days after the Philadelphia Massacre and either outright lied or the members on this site or ill-informed when he stated that if we cut Terrell Owens then it could possibly prevent the Cowboys from re-signing Demarcus Ware.

He did say that, but he and Phillips also claimed there'd be no staff changes too. It is wrong to say that keeping Owens precludes us from giving Ware a new deal, there is almost no negative cap impact to cut him.

Many people on this forum have crunched the numbers and most have come to the conclusion that Jerry Jones' statement was an outright lie or Jerry Jones was misinformed.

I dont think he lied, I think he was trying to plant the seed with fans that even though he knew everyone thinks he's an issue and wants him gone, it might be hard to do so.

Why would Jerry Jones be willing to lie outright? It is because Jerry Jones still believes Terrell Owens gives us the best chance to win and releasing Terrell Owens enables the media to say "I TOLD YOU SO".

Maybe, but I think based on what he said that day and how he said it, he at least had already started thinking about cutting him.

Also, we know that Jerry Jones is extremely close to Michael Irvin. Michael Irvin was even caught telling Terrell Owens about how Jerry Jones called him and ripped Brad Johnson before Terrell Owens warned him that they were live. Michael Irvin is the First Mate of Team Terrell Owens and he no doubt goes to bat for him when speaking to Jerry Jones.

I think even Irvin has turned on him some here now. Wasnt it Irvin that kinda said for him to shutup about the offensive system and that Garrett's system was "perfect" for TO?

Also, I just don't see Jerry Jones swallowing $9.6M.

SJ is gonna have to do some selling on daddy for that.

I believe Terrell Owens is here for another year.

Maybe, but if too many coaches, players and more important front office people lean on Jones to do otherwise, he might be gone. I think thats what will happen. We havent won anything with TO, its not going to get worse without him.

 

[dadymat]

I'll entertain your thought. Sure. Let's say it is. So what's your other point? They both suck? If that's the case then get rid of both and get me Shanahan. I'm perfectly fine with that... (as I have maintained since day one of Shanahan leaving Denver)

I will also maintain that Shanahan would revive the career of TO while Garrett will continue to be worthless in my eyes.

DEAL.............:flex:

 

[LatinMind]

But anyone on either side could write the same thing. Don't you see? Those who think Owens' skills trump whatever problems he might create see it is the most obvious thing in the world: He needs to stay. Those who think Owens' downside trumps his skill see it as the most obvious thing in the world.

The truth is, most everyone posting here is a Cowboys fan and wants the team to win. There are a myriad of different opinions how that could best be accomplished.

I happen to fall into the camp that figures it's time for Owens to go. I can accept that some folks disagree. It's more difficult for me to accept that my opinion is, de facto, stupid and ill informed.

I have a problem with only one pro-Owens poster. That's Taber, and it's because he isn't a Cowboys fan. He is, by his own admission, a 49ers fan. More accurately, I think, he is an Owens fan. His views aren't shaped by what he thinks is good for the Dallas Cowboys. They're shaped by what he thinks is good for Owens.

Most everyone else cares very deeply about the final result of all of this: An improved, successful football team.

i can this point of view, but im not blind to everything owens. if he gets cut ohwell. the cowboys still gotta play. but im saying its stupid to think people actually believe he's to blame for the cowboys failures.

and think all will be ok if he;s cut. it makes no sense for the team on the field, and in he cap area.

 

[DallasEast]

I feel love, so I have proof.

That's different than someone I don't know who is trying to get me to watch their program- telling me I am in love.

Are you certain that feeling isn't simply infatuation? Lust? Lightheadedness after eating too many chili peppers?

Just kidding. Love has many definitions which have been debated by people since the beginning of time along with all sorts of evidence to prove their version of the emotion. Nothing has ever conclusively proven what is love for everyone.

So! If someone in the media reports something without providing proof and you don't believe it, but someone else hearing it might, it's possible that the story could be as equally true as it could be false right? I mean, if someone thinks it's true because they felt it was correct, it could be, right? Different strokes for different folks and all that, eh?