Bush(Dorsett) or Young(Staubach) or Leinhart(Aikman)...

[Cowboy Junkie]

Young is not at all like McNabb. He is much closer to Randall Cunningham.
And Bush is nothing like Warrick Dunn.

AS for Bush at 5'10 or 5'11 about 185lbs...
Dosent like to go between the tackles , mostly an outside runner....
gets like 15 -20 carries a game...

he will never be a horse in my opinion...
Besides Warrick Dunn has been a very good NFL player , but Tony D . they are not.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

McNabb did the same kind of things as Young while he was at Syracuse ....

He did not have as good a supporting cast as Young ,
but Syracuse with not a very good football team did very good things...

When Mcnabb played at Syracuse I lived in the NOrth East , so I got the chance to see him play there often.

Big guy , speed , leader with a great arm ....Where the big difference?

I guess the question that beggs asking is, did you ever have an opportunity to watch Randall Cunningham play? If you did, I think that there would not be a question of why people think that Young is much more like Cunningham then McNappie.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

AS for Bush at 5'10 or 5'11 about 185lbs...
Dosent like to go between the tackles , mostly an outside runner....
gets like 15 -20 carries a game...

he will never be a horse in my opinion...
Besides Warrick Dunn has been a very good NFL player , but Tony D . they are not.

This is also not true. Dorsett was not strickly an outside runner. Dorsett ran between the tackles quite a bit.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

If I knew Young would have a Staubach type career, I would have to go with Young.

- Mike G.

 

[kartr]

I don't think Young is Staubach. I see more cunningham in him.

I don't think Bush is Dorsett. Whomever compared him to Sayers knew what they were talking about.

Leinart is not Aikman, no how, no way. Leinart reminds me of Harrington.

I don't think Young is Staubach either,but close enough. Maybe he's cross between Cunningham/Elway/Young which in my book ain't half bad.

 

[joseephuss]

For me , Leinhart staying in school was a bit immature....He had already graduated and I am all for that , but to come back and take ball room dancing just because he was in a safe place...
Now I am not saying this made him a bad guy , but he went back to school after he already accomplished everything he could .....
For me this was the beginning of my thought process and after the Texas game it just recommfirmed what I already had in the back of my mind...

The guy already graduated and he already won the most coveted college award and championship to boot.....

If he says Well i want to make history well then I say take a challenge and dont hide behind ball room dancing.....

He also was having shoulder problems last spring that prevented him from working out for NFL teams. His stock could have fallen going into last years draft and he would not been able to do anything about it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't think Young is Staubach either,but close enough. Maybe he's cross between Cunningham/Elway/Young which in my book ain't half bad.

I would draft Young. I definatly believe his best football is in front of him. Too many people look at him and they get hung up on his throwing motion. I believe that he is a unique talent. He isn't Vick and I think that's good. He looks to throw first and then run. People call him an option QB because Texas runs the zone option play so much but honestly, even in the NFL, this is a very popular play. There is not one play that puts more pressure on a defense then the zone option play. I just think that he's a player that will take a couple of years to develope but once he does, he's going to be a guy who can put a great deal of pressure on a defense. Everybody hated Sims but look now. After three years, he's starting to develope into a good young QB. Same can happen with Young IMO. He is not my favorite QB prospect in College right now. I would rather have Quinn but I do believe that he is going to be a guy who's ceiling is higher then most can visualize if he can develope. He has everything you draft in a player. He comes from good backround. He doesn't get in trouble. He is intelligent. He has excellent work ethic. He has natural leadership qualities in abundance. I can't even say that he has prototypical size and speed because I think he's off the charts on those things. He's what will be considered prototypical if he succeeds. He comes from a big program. He has proven he can produce when on the big screen. He might end up being very special and I think Tennessee is going to be very happy with him.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

This is also not true. Dorsett was not strickly an outside runner. Dorsett ran between the tackles quite a bit.

I did not say Dorsett did not run between the tackles.
I did say Bush dose not like to run between the tackles..
I will not say he never has(Bush) , I just see a guy that would rather run to the outide than up the middle(Bush)..

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I did not say Dorsett did not run between the tackles.
I did say Bush dose not like to run between the tackles..
I will not say he never has(Bush) , I just see a guy that would rather run to the outide than up the middle(Bush)..

OK. However, the same was said of Dorsett and he did learn to run between the tackles. He was never a pound it out back but he was so quick that for him, between the tackles ment getting in and out of the hole so quickly that he was often by you before you could react. I guess I just don't see Bush as another Dorsett. He is not that quick IMO. More like Sayers to me.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

I guess the question that beggs asking is, did you ever have an opportunity to watch Randall Cunningham play? If you did, I think that there would not be a question of why people think that Young is much more like Cunningham then McNappie.

I see Cunningham in Young also....

Never said I did not.
At the begining of this thread I said Young reminds me of Mcnabb...
Someone wrote that he did not see any McNabb in Young and I beg to differ...

Body type alone Youbg is more like Mcnabb....
Mcnabb prolly gose 240 and Young about the same ..
Cunnigham was not as thick....

All three stong arm with speed and decent height....

I am an Eagle hater ,but Mcnabb is a very good QB

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

OK. However, the same was said of Dorsett and he did learn to run between the tackles. He was never a pound it out back but he was so quick that for him, between the tackles ment getting in and out of the hole so quickly that he was often by you before you could react. I guess I just don't see Bush as another Dorsett. He is not that quick IMO. More like Sayers to me.

I Do not see Bush as a dorsett....
I see him as a Warrick Dunn....
I barely remember T.D. in college....
He spoke to my schhol right after beinf drafted and that is when I became a football fan...

My take on Bush is that he is a can't miss , but I see him with his slight built as not being a horse....
Emmitt was small , but thick....
Dorsett was small but if he and Bush are exact same ht., wt and built then Dorsett was bigger , due to the fact players were smaller back then todays
250lb linebackers then were playing End those 265 lb ends were playing NG those , etc.......

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I see Cunningham in Young also....

Never said I did not.
At the begining of this thread I said Young reminds me of Mcnabb...
Someone wrote that he did not see any McNabb in Young and I beg to differ...

Body type alone Youbg is more like Mcnabb....
Mcnabb prolly gose 240 and Young about the same ..
Cunnigham was not as thick....

All three stong arm with speed and decent height....

I am an Eagle hater ,but Mcnabb is a very good QB

This is wrong. They are nowhere near the same body type. Throwing motion is different. Not the same agility skills or flat out speed. McNabb is 6-2 240. Young is 6-5 230. Not the same at all.

I'll ask again, did you ever have good opportunity to watch Cunningham when he came out of UNLV? Did you see him when he played for Philly much?

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

This is wrong. They are nowhere near the same body type. Throwing motion is different. Not the same agility skills or flat out speed. McNabb is 6-2 240. Young is 6-5 230. Not the same at all.

I'll ask again, did you ever have good opportunity to watch Cunningham when he came out of UNLV? Did you see him when he played for Philly much?

When i said body type I meant the thickness...
Cunningham was very lean...
Yes I remember Cunninghams very well

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I Do not see Bush as a dorsett....
I see him as a Warrick Dunn....
I barely remember T.D. in college....
He spoke to my schhol right after beinf drafted and that is when I became a football fan...

My take on Bush is that he is a can't miss , but I see him with his slight built as not being a horse....
Emmitt was small , but thick....
Dorsett was small but if he and Bush are exact same ht., wt and built then Dorsett was bigger , due to the fact players were smaller back then todays
250lb linebackers then were playing End those 265 lb ends were playing NG those , etc.......

I don't see Dunn in him at all. Totally different running styles IMO. I do see Gayle Sayers in him a great deal. Same cut backs, same burst, same speed, even the way they hold themselves is very much alike. Same skills. Sayers could catch the ball well. Sayers was a return man with excellent open field ability. Sayers was 6-0 198 pounds coming out of Kansas. Bush is 6-0 200 pounds. They are almost identical IMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

When i said body type I meant the thickness...
Cunningham was very lean...
Yes I remember Cunninghams very well

6-2 240 and 6-5 230 is not the same any way you slice it. Young may be more muscular but he has the same long muscle structure. Same lean muscles if just a bit bigger. If you remember Cunningham, it is difficult for me to understand how you can't see the simularities in the two players. To me, they are exactly the same type skill sets. Even the deliveries of there passes holds simularities.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

I thought I heard them say in a game this year that Bush was 5'11 185....
I never saw Sayers play, so I can not compare , but Defensive players were smaller then.....
Oh, And I could be wrong about this....
I thought Leaf was going to be a stud and before last years draft I wanted Merriman over Ware.
On top of that I was very Happy the day we drafted Equbust

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

6-2 240 and 6-5 230 is not the same any way you slice it. Young may be more muscular but he has the same long muscle structure. Same lean muscles if just a bit bigger. If you remember Cunningham, it is difficult for me to understand how you can't see the simularities in the two players. To me, they are exactly the same type skill sets. Even the deliveries of there passes holds simularities.

Cunningham's and Young do have the same skills. I am not debating that...
When I see Young or Mcnabb running I do not think , Oh no he might get hurt or please run out of bounds....
When Young and Mcnabb are running with the ball I am thinking sure dont want to be a db taking these guys one on one at the goalline....

I would have thought that when Randal was running Eagle , Viking , Cowboy and fans of whoever he played for were a little more nervous when he was running the ball...

I know I did not say this well , but hopefully you understand where I am coming from......

AS for throwing all have a great arm and all pass very well....

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I thought I herad them saying in a game this year that Bush was 5'11 185....
I never seen Sayers play, so I can not compare , but Defesive players were smaller then.....
Oh, And I could be wrong about this....
I thought Leaf was going to be a stud and before last years draft I wanted Merriman over Ware.
On top of that I was very Happy the day we drafted Equbust

Well, here's what I'll tell ya. Since we haven't seen Bush play against NFL players, I'm not certain what relivance the players being bigger have one way or the other.

I would also say that while the players are bigger, faster and stronger today, it doesn't mean it's easier to run on them back in the day. The passing game has had a profound influence on offenses. It was more difficult to run on defenses back in the day. You didn't have to play your DBs back in a cover2. You could crowed your safeties and play your LBs closer to the hash. The blocking techniques were not as liberal for an offensive lineman. Lots of reasons why it was tougher to run then then now. Basically, all of this really means nothing in the discussion were having.

Bush runs like Sayers. He has the same attributes, size and vision. He runs like Sayers did back in the day. How he will perform against todays NFL players is a different discussion. He reminds me of Sayers.

 

[Chuck 54]

Say you are visited by a draft prophet (not Mel Kiper) and he tells you that Bush is actually Dorsett reincarnated, Young is Staubach reincarnated, and Leinhart is Aikman reincarnated. The prophet also tells you that all 3 will be hall of famers. You are on the clock and have 15 minutes. Who do you choose?

Bush reminds me so much of Dorsett as a college RB. I never saw Staubach play at Navy. Any Young vs. Staubach comparisons? How about Aikman vs. Leinhart comparisons? I didn't see Aikman much in college.

How do you think Bush, Young and Leinhart will compare to Dorsett, Staubach, and Aikman 10 years from now?

You should be ashamed for comparing Vince Young to Staubach...unbelievable....some of you are going to be shocked at how things turn out for Young. Wait till he actually works out for teams and they get to continue evaluating that average arm and sidearm release....no way I take him #1.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Reggie Bush = Brian Westbrook

Vince Young = Donovan McNabb

Matt Leinart = TBD.