Bygones and buried hatchets

[Diehardblues]

Too many fans are wanting to believe Jerry is letting the reins go but I think that's just a belief they have because he's surrounded himself with a better coach who's influencing his poor football instincts much like Parcells and Jimmy did in building a team. Bill said" you have to convince Jerry to go against his instincts ".

Just watch this years opening training camp press conference. Jerry is still front and center . Make no mistake Jerry is still all in. He's just has surrounded himself at this time with greater influence and the results are showing.

But we're seeing the same level of interference and meddling which disrupted the team Bill was building. Everyone remember how we were on an upward trend with our new franchise QB? I sense a familiar ring and we're not even sure if Dak can sustain the same performance level of Romo.

The interference is similar where Jerry senses we're close and interjects bringing in risk players to propel us over the top attempting to fill obvious holes that need filling. The problem in this era is we don't have the disciplinarian coaching staff that has the authority like Jimmy did.

Staffs like in New England with that discipline and pedigree in place can bring a problem talent in much like we did with a Haley under Jimmy. Imagine Haley coming in now without that disciplinary culture that Troy screamed for after Jimmy left.

Cowboy fans this era now are so starved for success we're reaching for the first glimpse of it without looking deeper into the causes and effects for everlasting solutions which will be highly unlikely under Jerry.

The only way to overcome Jerry is having the kind of dominating championship caliber talent we had for example in 90's but even then we squandered opportunities with it. I certainly dont see that type of dominating talent on both sides of the ball in comparison to other elite teams currently . A great offense will continue to fade in the playoffs. Don't bother arguing the other factors developing . I'm well aware and I see some of the optimism but warn the culprit and culture is still in place.

That said I do have more hope at this time with Garrett much like I had with Bill because they can bring together a certain amount of talent to make us competitive and possibly bring us to the brink much like we thought Romo should and could have.

And why I've been so supportive of Garrett despite all of the criticism he's taken because of the influence he appears to have over Jerry. The advantage with Garrett is he doesn't appear to be as apt to be driven away by Jerry but now that he's won COY he's gained respectability across the league so if there's any fallout with Jerry expect him to bolt as well and we'll start over again.

The only certain hope to overcome Jerry is without Jerry as long he intends to be front and center running his franchise from "jocks to socks" without providing his HC final say.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You really think my emotions don't match ths intensity of my words? I'm a fan and, yes, I got the sickness, the Dallas Cowboys mean something to me, their history is a history of my own life, I can tell you what game was playing during every meaningfull event of my life between a September and January.

I could try to put it in words, but you wouldn't understand nor would you care, I guess you must be this kind of new different fan, the Cowboys lose, you shrug your shoulders and go on with your life, no big deal. The Cowboys are a diversion one of several forms of entertainment you enjoy.

So you don't get someone like me, someone who thinks Jerry Jones stole something precious from a lot of old Cowboy fans and it is insulting to watch him getting honored for it.

There is nothing wrong about you for disagreeing with me. There is nothing wrong about being the kind of fam you are. I actually envy you in a lot of ways. But don't attack me peraonally for expressing my opinion simply because you disagree. It contradicts the entire purpose for us and everyone else to communicate wirh each other via a discussion forum.

I've said what I wanted to, I can't let bygones be bygones because it isn't gone. As long as Jerry has any power to makes decisions the Cowboys will never be a franchise committed to winning at the same level that established winning as a tradition.

Jerry has proven, repeatedly, that money and personal credit for franchise accomplishments are more important than winning.

I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me, i....... waaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh

/Plasticman

As we are saying: get over yourself.

 

[plasticman]

I, me, I, me, I, me, I, me, i....... waaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh

/Plasticman

As we are saying: get over yourself.

I bow to your superior intellect. I didn't realize I was up against America'a finest example of a government run educational system.

By the way, does mommy know you are playing with the computer this late at night?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I bow to your superior intellect. I didn't realize I was up against America'a finest example of a government run educational system.

By the way, does mommy know you are playing with the computer this late at night?

LOL guess I struck a nerve given this blind flail.

If you want to be defeatist over Jerry Jones then fine but don't expect people to take you seriously.

Jerry Jones doesn't owe you anything nor has he done you any wrong.

Deal with it. Oh and get over yourself.

 

[Diehardblues]

LOL guess I struck a nerve given this blind flail.

If you want to be defeatist over Jerry Jones then fine but don't expect people to take you seriously.

Jerry Jones doesn't owe you anything nor has he done you any wrong.

Deal with it. Oh and get over yourself.

Thats not entirely true. Jerry does owe us a reasonable product for the price paid. We are paying customers patronizing this sports entertainment presentation they call the NFL.

That entitles us to render our concerns and voice our opinions of encouragement , approval , dissatisfaction and some occasional prodding.

 

[plasticman]

LOL guess I struck a nerve given this blind flail.

If you want to be defeatist over Jerry Jones then fine but don't expect people to take you seriously.

Jerry Jones doesn't owe you anything nor has he done you any wrong.

Deal with it. Oh and get over yourself.

It's not that you strike a nerve with your childush insults. What bothers me is that you got nothing. You don't offer any counterpoint in defence of Jerry Jones, nor do you offer any example as to how my opinion could not be a valid one. You simply insult and dismiss and atttempt to paaa it off as meaningful debate.

I really think your posts are an insult to everyonw on this site who takes time and effort in providing details, stats, and other evidence in support of their beliefs.

Nobody should really care about your opinion if all you have is this lazy technique of insulting another poster just because they foece you to so a little thinking on your own.

I don'r mention this for you because you are hopeless bur maybe others will see you are not someone that has the ability to look at facta or a differing perception, you are tied down by your inability to offer any rational counerpoint. Ita like arguing with a 5 year old and I consider myaelf tainted

 

[Diehardblues]

It's not that you strike a nerve with your childush insults. What bothers me is that you got nothing. You don't offer any counterpoint in defence of Jerry Jones, nor do you offer any example as to how my opinion could not be a valid one. You simply insult and dismiss and atttempt to paaa it off as meaningful debate.

I really think your posts are an insult to everyonw on this site who takes time and effort in providing details, stats, and other evidence in support of their beliefs.

Nobody should really care about your opinion if all you have is this lazy technique of insulting another poster just because they foece you to so a little thinking on your own.

I don'r mention this for you because you are hopeless bur maybe others will see you are not someone that has the ability to look at facta or a differing perception, you are tied down by your inability to offer any rational counerpoint. Ita like arguing with a 5 year old and I consider myaelf tainted

Right. They don't offer any rebuttal just insulting or attempting to discredit the messenger because they don't like the message.

As fans we are not bound to support every moving piece , only the sum. Much like we support our country but not always the leadership, policies and direction.

This doesn't have to be personal strictly business. Jerry's intent on his involvement with football operations leave him open for criticism not only to Cowboy fans but all in sports.

No one is denying his financial accomplishments which stand on their own merit and those of us who critique him even admit that if that was his only hat we'd be much more appreciative and supportive . But he's not and it is what it is.

Personally I take great pride in keeping the pressure on Jerry for which he's even felt the need to address publicly with his admital he'd of fired himself. I respect Jerry for taking the heat while staying in the kitchen never shying away from taking the blame while seeking credit.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Until this team gets a quality defense I fear this era of Cowboy football will be wasted too.

 

[erod]

We only tolerate an owner like Jerrry with how he runs football operations if he wins.

He just wasted 10 years with Romo. How many will he waste with this core of talent?

Ck back with me in a few years. We'll see how you support him when he's 80 and still striking out 30 years removed from a championship.

That's the one criticism I'll never let go. He threw Tony to the wolves by ignoring offensive line for so long.

 

[erod]

Too many fans are wanting to believe Jerry is letting the reins go but I think that's just a belief they have because he's surrounded himself with a better coach who's influencing his poor football instincts much like Parcells and Jimmy did in building a team. Bill said" you have to convince Jerry to go against his instincts ".

Just watch this years opening training camp press conference. Jerry is still front and center . Make no mistake Jerry is still all in. He's just has surrounded himself at this time with greater influence and the results are showing.

But we're seeing the same level of interference and meddling which disrupted the team Bill was building. Everyone remember how we were on an upward trend with our new franchise QB? I sense a familiar ring and we're not even sure if Dak can sustain the same performance level of Romo.

The interference is similar where Jerry senses we're close and interjects bringing in risk players to propel us over the top attempting to fill obvious holes that need filling. The problem in this era is we don't have the disciplinarian coaching staff that has the authority like Jimmy did.

Staffs like in New England with that discipline and pedigree in place can bring a problem talent in much like we did with a Haley under Jimmy. Imagine Haley coming in now without that disciplinary culture that Troy screamed for after Jimmy left.

Cowboy fans this era now are so starved for success we're reaching for the first glimpse of it without looking deeper into the causes and effects for everlasting solutions which will be highly unlikely under Jerry.

The only way to overcome Jerry is having the kind of dominating championship caliber talent we had for example in 90's but even then we squandered opportunities with it. I certainly dont see that type of dominating talent on both sides of the ball in comparison to other elite teams currently . A great offense will continue to fade in the playoffs. Don't bother arguing the other factors developing . I'm well aware and I see some of the optimism but warn the culprit and culture is still in place.

That said I do have more hope at this time with Garrett much like I had with Bill because they can bring together a certain amount of talent to make us competitive and possibly bring us to the brink much like we thought Romo should and could have.

And why I've been so supportive of Garrett despite all of the criticism he's taken because of the influence he appears to have over Jerry. The advantage with Garrett is he doesn't appear to be as apt to be driven away by Jerry but now that he's won COY he's gained respectability across the league so if there's any fallout with Jerry expect him to bolt as well and we'll start over again.

The only certain hope to overcome Jerry is without Jerry as long he intends to be front and center running his franchise from "jocks to socks" without providing his HC final say.

Stephen and McClay are a powerful force with Jerry, and Garrett knows how to manage his ego.

 

[Diehardblues]

Stephen and McClay are a powerful force with Jerry, and Garrett knows how to manage his ego.

We shall see. The proof is always in the pudding and why results matter.

 

[erod]

We shall see. The proof is always in the pudding and why results matter.

Do you honestly think Frederick and Martin would be here otherwise?

 

[Diehardblues]

Do you honestly think Frederick and Martin would be here otherwise?

That's not the point I intended which is ultimately the team being built will be measured by its success in January and February.

You know I'm a big Jason supporter and agree with you on most fronts but I continue to fall back on needing the success to validate it all.

Just building it doesn't necessarily guarantee results .

 

[big dog cowboy]

Too many fans are wanting to believe Jerry is letting the reins

He is. The iron fist he controlled the team with for a long time clearly doesn't exist any more.

 

[Diehardblues]

He is. The iron fist he controlled the team with for a long time clearly doesn't exist any more.

I'm not convinced . I do see better decisions being made but that's due to the greater influence he's recieving.

I think he's just as involved as ever . Some want to believe he's stepped back because of the better results coming in but too many of these decisions and risk are ones only he could be making.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's not that you strike a nerve with your childush insults. What bothers me is that you got nothing. You don't offer any counterpoint in defence of Jerry Jones, nor do you offer any example as to how my opinion could not be a valid one. You simply insult and dismiss and atttempt to paaa it off as meaningful debate.

I really think your posts are an insult to everyonw on this site who takes time and effort in providing details, stats, and other evidence in support of their beliefs.

Nobody should really care about your opinion if all you have is this lazy technique of insulting another poster just because they foece you to so a little thinking on your own.

I don'r mention this for you because you are hopeless bur maybe others will see you are not someone that has the ability to look at facta or a differing perception, you are tied down by your inability to offer any rational counerpoint. Ita like arguing with a 5 year old and I consider myaelf tainted

Jerry Jones is going into the HoF. He doesn't need my help. You repeat your arguments in the face of rebuttal anyway. I'm not that bored.

Telling you to get over yourself is childish? I think you have it backwards.

One of the things babies don't have is a sense of others. They are wrapped in themselves and cannot fathom the existential reality of others.

It's why I won't work with kids under the age of 8 personally but that is an aside.

Anywho, getting over yourself is a right of passage in preadolescence. I can recall my father and other important adults telling me to get over myself as a child.

So I suppose in a sense what I am saying is childish because it is something adults say to children often. That is not what you were claiming though.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I'm not convinced .

You don't think Jerry Jr. and Stephen have any bigger say in the day to day operations of the Dallas Cowboys today then they ever have?

Wow.

 

[Diehardblues]

You don't think Jerry Jr. and Stephen have any bigger say in the day to day operations of the Dallas Cowboys today then they ever have?

Wow.

They might but Jerry still has the last word. Do you really believe it's not Jerry who's taking these risk? You think he's allowing his sons to sign a guy like Hardy?

It's still all about convincing Jerry to go against his instincts. Jerry has always maintained that his lack to be accountable to anyone as GM allows these risk to take place. His rhetoric today still represents that.

Fans think because there's some better decisions being made Jerry's out of the loop. We've seen better decisions made with Jerry in charge before like with Bill but Jerry still meddled enough to hurt the team and he's still doing it.

Y'all think because we're assembling a better team Jerry isn't as involved. Somehow that makes you feel better I guess?

 

[zekecowboy]

Nice read Erod. Jerry has his faults, but he has some strengths. He has learned some lessons along the way and he's the best owner in the league promoting the NFL. Jerry may get his wish for another SB I believe in 2018!

 

[Diehardblues]

No doubt he's a great promoter. But promoters don't make great GM's . It's a conflict of interest wearing both hats and why companies don't have Director of Sales running Operations.