Bygones and buried hatchets

[erod]

They might but Jerry still has the last word. Do you really believe it's not Jerry who's taking these risk? You think he's allowing his sons to sign a guy like Hardy?

It's still all about convincing Jerry to go against his instincts. Jerry has always maintained that his lack to be accountable to anyone as GM allows these risk to take place. His rhetoric today still represents that.

Fans think because there's some better decisions being made Jerry's out of the loop. We've seen better decisions made with Jerry in charge before like with Bill but Jerry still meddled enough to hurt the team and he's still doing it.

Y'all think because we're assembling a better team Jerry isn't as involved. Somehow that makes you feel better I guess?

Hardy might have been his last hurrah in the very high risk category.

That blew up in his face badly.

 

[Diehardblues]

Hardy might have been his last hurrah in the very high risk category.

That blew up in his face badly.

I'm actually giving Jerry some credit for this team we're building as I'm sure he is going to take credit if we reach the pinnacle again.

But I see this team as similar to what we were building with Bill. Jerry is simply receiving better influence. That doesn't mean he's stepped aside which he hasn't acknowledged either . When he's not front and center then I might begin to re access my thoughts.

I'd also argue Gregory , Smith and Lawrence are all risk only Jerry would sign off on. Point is these risk on defense have basically been preventing our defense from rebuilding sooner. More examples of Jerry's meddling that stumping the rebuild. These are all more evidence with his stamp on them.

And if this team does win a Super Bowl then I'm giving credit much like I did with Jimmy in bringing in the Right coach . But I'm still suspect the culture and meddling along with not being able to shut his mouth like with Zeke could still cost this team regardless of the talent amassed.

I get some of the excitement . I see it and like it too but to dismiss Jerry's involvement is not fair to him either. He's definitely put all of this place with how he's protected Jason thru the struggles.

 

[erod]

I'm actually giving Jerry some credit for this team we're building as I'm sure he is going to take credit if we reach the pinnacle again.

But I see this team as similar to what we were building with Bill. Jerry is simply receiving better influence. That doesn't mean he's stepped aside which he hasn't acknowledged either . When he's not front and center then I might begin to re access my thoughts.

I'd also argue Gregory , Smith and Lawrence are all risk only Jerry would sign off on. Point is these risk on defense have basically been preventing our defense from rebuilding sooner. More examples of Jerry's meddling that stumping the rebuild. These are all more evidence with his stamp on them.

And if this team does win a Super Bowl then I'm giving credit much like I did with Jimmy in bringing in the Right coach . But I'm still suspect the culture and meddling along with not being able to shut his mouth like with Zeke could still cost this team regardless of the talent amassed.

I get some of the excitement . I see it and like it too but to dismiss Jerry's involvement is not fair to him either. He's definitely put all of this place with how he's protected Jason thru the struggles.

Historically, Jerry's biggest problem is that he can't handle success. He forgets what got them there and he starts overcelebrating too soon. Can't help himself.

Stephen seems to have a heavier hand these days, so perhaps that's more bridlea now.

 

[big dog cowboy]

They might but Jerry still has the last word.

That may have been true for a long time. But it no longer is. Hasn't been for a while.

Want proof? Did the Cowboys draft Johnny Football or not? That was 3 years ago.

 

[Diehardblues]

That may have been true for a long time. But it no longer is. Hasn't been for a while.

Want proof? Did the Cowboys draft Johnny Football or not? That was 3 years ago.

Jerry said that draft morning he wasn't going to use a 1st round pick on a QB as long as Romo was there. The Johnny rhetoric was media created. Jerry never had any intention or want to draft Johnny. He played it just in case he was a hit wanting critics to think he thought he was worthy of a 1st round if we needed a QB or he became a hit.

There's been no official announcement Jerry is taking a lesser role and no indication in how he conducts business. It's only been an assessment from fans because we started making better decisions about 2011 when Garrett took over.

Which again supports Jerry has greater influence again much like he did with Bill but not yielding the position . Believe what you will whatever makes you feel better but I'm actually giving Jerry credit for sticking with Garrett and allowing his influence . Jerry deserves much credit for protecting Garrett thru the struggles. The more success Garrett has the more he'll have Jerry's ear.

Jerry has proven over the years when he surrounds himself with a greater HC the team building improves. It's nothing more. Jerry will still insert himself when he thinks his risk taking could make a difference and his culture will continue to be a negative force . One that will still need to be overcome. I'm hopeful Garrett will but definitely not counting on it. I still suspect Jerry could screw this all up again like he did with Bill.

Sorry...but on Feb 25 1989 Jerry made it very clear and until he officially relinquishes that in at least a more obvious form publicly I might begin to consider and I promise you he's not ready to hang it up and might never.

 

[Diehardblues]

Historically, Jerry's biggest problem is that he can't handle success. He forgets what got them there and he starts overcelebrating too soon. Can't help himself.

Stephen seems to have a heavier hand these days, so perhaps that's more bridlea now.

Yep and he also gets impatient when he senses he's close . That's when he inserts himself the most.

I'm not sure why the need or incentive wanting to feel Jerry is taking a lesser role?

I think if we're going to slam him for the bad years and drafts he should take some credit for the good ones.

Surely after almost 30 years he's learned a few things? You'd think at some point he might have sharpened his GM skills. Lol

 

[big dog cowboy]

Believe what you will whatever makes you feel better.

I believe the truth. And the truth is Jerry doesn't command the team like he used to. Why everyone believes that except you I can't explain.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Stephen seems to have a heavier hand these days

Not according to some. SMH.

 

[Diehardblues]

I believe the truth. And the truth is Jerry doesn't command the team like he used to. Why everyone believes that except you I can't explain.

I'll ask you to provide concrete proof not simply opinions derived from decisions and actions taken which can be spun to support a narrative.

And I didn't say he commands it like he used to.

You don't agree with my narrative and now attempting to discredit the messenger like I'm the only one who's disputing the degree of his involvement.

Jerry still is the GM and still in control unless I missed an announcement somewhere. I presented counter rebuttals and examples and you offered no evidence to dispute those. The Manziel was only example you offered.

Now you appear frustrated that I continue insisting Jerry is still much the same obstacle he's always been even its in a lesser role which I don't think it's lessened as much as some are claiming but I'm not claiming it hadn't lessened at all. Thanks

 

[Diehardblues]

Not according to some. SMH.

Of course Stephen appears to have a heavier hand.Your misconstruing my narrative to fit yours.

How much less Jerry's involvement is hasn't been determined. As I stated above or in another thread Jerry is still the GM. He is still front and center. He hasn't publicly announced a lesser role. It certainly isn't evident in any capacity except for the Cowboys making better decisions and building a better team.

As a matter of fact I'm actually crediting Jerry for surrounding himself with greater talent like with Jason and Will and letting them influence him against his instincts .

My greater point is we are still seeing Jerry's impact and influence with some of the risk and even with his mouth like in the Zeke ordeal. I'm arguing Jerry is still the biggest obstacle we have to overcome because he is still front and center.

No one really knows what degree or how much more or less Jerry's involvement is . He still is positioning himself if this all works out to take credit . But like I've also argued we've seen these type of progress before in team building under Bill when we thought Jerry was taking a lesser role and Jerrys involvement or meddling still surfaced was a factor and ultimately a cause for disrupting Bill.

Surely regardless whatever degree you believe Jerry's role is you still see the hindrances he presents which can be argued is still preventing this progress from a more rapid success and rebuild and his rhetoric and culture a concern.

Im a big Garrett supporter and give him much credit for his influence over Jerry but it's still being argued how much Jerry's control over coaching has hindered or slowed the process.

Jerry's influence is still very evident in Cowboy football operations and from top to bottom or from jocks to socks will continue to be an obstacle to overcome at whatever level of meddling it is.

 

[Bullflop]

Despite all the consternation over the FO's handlings of the past, Jerry afforded a well-deserved offering of credit to Jimmy Johnson for being so instrumental in helping the Cowboys achieve it's Super Bowl success during their partnership. To my eyes and ears, that was good to see.

 

[MissAnn]

I'll ask you to provide concrete proof not simply opinions derived from decisions and actions taken which can be spun to support a narrative.

And I didn't say he commands it like he used to.

You don't agree with my narrative and now attempting to discredit the messenger like I'm the only one who's disputing the degree of his involvement.

Jerry still is the GM and still in control unless I missed an announcement somewhere. I presented counter rebuttals and examples and you offered no evidence to dispute those. The Manziel was only example you offered.

Now you appear frustrated that I continue insisting Jerry is still much the same obstacle he's always been even its in a lesser role which I don't think it's lessened as much as some are claiming but I'm not claiming it hadn't lessened at all. Thanks

Maybe everyone else can see the delegation of responsibility and the grown trust in their abilty, but what is seen above.

Oh, he's intensely involved with the Dallas Cowboys because he loves football. That doesn't also mean that talent is around him, and very effective with him as well.

 

[MissAnn]

Despite all the consternation over the FO's handlings of the past, Jerry afforded a well-deserved offering of credit to Jimmy Johnson for being so instrumental in helping the Cowboys achieve it's Super Bowl success during their partnership. To my eyes and ears, that was good to see.

Jimmy Johnson was returning the shared sentiments as well. Jerry hasn't denied or tried to hide the contributions of Jimmy...nor did he hide Jimmy's stabbing him in the back when that second unpopular coaching changed occurred for Jerry and his Cowboys. He weathered that, although.

 

[Bullflop]

Jimmy Johnson was returning the shared sentiments as well. Jerry hasn't denied or tried to hide the contributions of Jimmy...nor did he hide Jimmy's stabbing him in the back when that second unpopular coaching changed occurred for Jerry and his Cowboys. He weathered that, although.

Jimmy and Jerry were both involved in bad-mouthing each other before their separation occurred. Let's not indulge in revisionist history. That entire situation is in the past and both parties put it aside during Jerry's day in the limelight. Let it go, once and for all -- it's over and has been for many years. I'm just glad to see that they're getting along better now.

 

[MissAnn]

Jimmy and Jerry were both involved in bad-mouthing each other before their separation occurred. Let's not indulge in revisionist history. That entire situation is in the past and both parties put it aside during Jerry's day in the limelight. Let it go, once and for all -- it's over and has been for many years. I'm just glad to see that they're getting along better now.

Revisionist?...you first implied that Jimmy owned everything involved in that success. Yet Jerry was put into the Hall yesterday.

You attempt to argue more than prove a point. My moving on.

 

[Bullflop]

Revisionist?...you first implied that Jimmy owned everything involved in that success. Yet Jerry was put into the Hall yesterday.

You attempt to argue more than prove a point. My moving on.

You're reading my mind now? I implied nothing. I clearly said Jerry gave Jimmy credit for his contributions. I was glad to see that. If anyone here is determined to argue, it's definitely not me. Glad to see you're moving on because you're making no sense whatsoever.

 

[MissAnn]

You're reading my mind now? I implied nothing. I clearly said Jerry gave Jimmy credit for his contributions. I was glad to see that. If anyone here is determined to argue, it's definitely not me. Glad to see you're moving on because you're making no sense whatsoever.

My guess is that your MO is also a toughie who likes a last word in denial of offered discussion. Don't back off directions you already took and adjust to make sure the heel of the foot sticks in the mouth as well.

Jimmy Johnson was returning the shared sentiments as well. Jerry hasn't denied or tried to hide the contributions of Jimmy...nor did he hide Jimmy's stabbing him in the back when that second unpopular coaching changed occurred for Jerry and his Cowboys. He weathered that, although.

You justified Jimmy and went right on giving a negative to having to make the second straight, and unpopular Head Coaching change Jerry had to make...care to discuss what effect Norv Turner and Scott Linehan have similar and in effect NOW as well?

 

[Bullflop]

My guess is that your MO is also a toughie who likes a last word in denial of offered discussion. Don't back off directions you already took and adjust to make sure the heel of the foot sticks in the mouth as well.

Jimmy Johnson was returning the shared sentiments as well. Jerry hasn't denied or tried to hide the contributions of Jimmy...nor did he hide Jimmy's stabbing him in the back when that second unpopular coaching changed occurred for Jerry and his Cowboys. He weathered that, although.

You justified Jimmy and went right on giving a negative to having to make the second straight, and unpopular Head Coaching change Jerry had to make...care to discuss what effect Norv Turner and Scott Linehan have similar and in effect NOW as well?

Check back to my previous posts and you'll probably see that you've got me confused with someone else that you were arguing with. You are carelessly and mistakenly blaming me for having said things that I never said. This is why I said you're making no sense -- and you're not.

 

[MissAnn]

Check back to my previous posts and you'll probably see that you've got me confused with someone else that you were arguing with. You are carelessly blaming me for having said things that I never said. This is why I said you're making no sense -- and you're not.

Ignore as you choose, but carelessly blaming...revisionist, hey, that one probably has been carried around for about a decade.

The inclusion of Jimmy's exploits, purposely insulting Jerry in front of the media and seeking a job with another team on the week that 'his' team was to play in the Super Bowl, would be a basis to show that Jerry has indeed buried the hatchet. That is an attempt at discussion, and not a volleying around of 'machismo?'

Here, I'll make move, and again, move on...I just had you on ignore. Your comments from the first response to my posts, remain the same.

No real discussion going on here.

 

[Bullflop]

Ignore as you choose, but carelessly blaming...revisionist, hey, that one probably has been carried around for about a decade.

The inclusion of Jimmy's exploits, purposely insulting Jerry in front of the media and seeking a job with another team on the week that 'his' team was to play in the Super Bowl, would be a basis to show that Jerry has indeed buried the hatchet. That is an attempt at discussion, and not a volleying around of 'machismo?'

Here, I'll make move, and again, move on...I just had you on ignore. Your comments from the first response to my posts, remain the same.

No real discussion going on here.

You're definitely right about that. No rational discussion is taking place here.

I'm more than happy to divest myself of your nonsense. Thanks for ridding me of you.

This is, by far, the wackiest discussion I've ever had on this website out of over 8,000 of them.