Byron Jones and Landon Collins

[stilltheguru88]

The coaches love him, the announcers love him, his teammates love him, our secondary improved when he moved to safetey, PFF loves him...but if you say so.

Aaron Rodgers loved him too. Jared Cook had no issues on against him.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

They got the Collins vs Jones picks. They also picked Flowers at the same spot Dallas picked Tyron. Richburg near where Dallas picked Fred. And Pugh around the same spot Dallas grabbed Martin. Imma go with Dallas.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Aaron Rodgers loved him too. Jared Cook had no issues on against him.

Aaron Rodgers loved our lack of a pass rush. Byron Jones wasn't covering Jared Cook on that play. You can argue that he should have broken the zone to cover him, but I'm not sure that he's coached to do that.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I hate that we pick players in their abilities to play different positions. Why can't we pick a player that plays a position really well and go from there.

 

[jday]

We picked Jones in the first round. Giants picked Collins in the second round pick number 1.
Jones was a corner which we turned to safety and Collins was a safety and plays that position for the giants in the NFL. They both play pretty good. Collins around the line of scrimmage and Jones spend most of his time covering TE's one on one or the deep part of the field.

I would of love to had been able to get Collins in the 2nd round. Heck I would of traded our 2nd and 3rd rounder for him.....of course with hindsight being 20/20 lol. Randy Gregory and Chaz Green for Landon Collins is a no brainer so far.

Lets hope Heath can make us proud. I'm actually intrigued with Xavier Woods though. He impressed me vs the Rams. Too bad he was injured and didn't play no more in preseason. But he is back healthy and seem to play with instincts.

XWoods and BJones as a tandem could eventually look really good. I knew X had ball hawk skills and had seen some of his fearless hitting, but he surprised me with just how much he was around the ball in limited snaps. This could be a pairing that when alone they are above average at best, but as a duo they appear to be elite. I can't wait to find out.

 

[Sydla]

We made a mistake. Plain and simple.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Byron can't get a turnover Jones

 

[Proof]

I’m not going to discredit Landon Collins, but I’d be extremely curious how Byron would look with 100 million dollars spent on defense along with a first round corner and JPP returning. Collins was damn near trash his first season before all that, and all the concerns about him were apparent.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Collins is the better safety playing in the box with his pursuit angles/laying the hits while also displaying much better instincts breaking/making plays on the ball when playing back, no doubt. They're a level apart. To have both of those skills in a safety is a dream come true.

Two areas that Jones is better in is smothering TE's and recovery speed/angles in covering deep receivers. Watch the game against the Panthers on Turkey day 2015 (two pass defenses in a row inside the endzone..one against Olsen, I think). Watch the game in GB last year. He's the better safety in man coverage situations and in deep space than Collins. Byron is also not too shabby along the line of scrimmage. His tackling form is more of a clinging-style, but he gets it done. I've laughed at his tackling form during games but once he wraps his tentacles on you, you might drag him an extra yard or two, but your not getting away.

Would I take Collins over Jones? Almost without a doubt. But even though Collins has more strengths in the safety position, Byron holds a few advantages when it comes to coverage (not surprising since he played CB at Connecticut).

This is, of course, my opinion.

 

[TheCoolFan]

I just don't see Jones ever becoming a great/superstar-caliber safety. He isn't flashy and he won't get many INTs in his role. He may be "solid" but I don't see game-changer. The safety next to him needs to be that guy. I'm not sold on Heath being that roaming playmaking safety...I actually think he is too similar to Jones. Woods might be that guy, we can only hope.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I’m not going to discredit Landon Collins, but I’d be extremely curious how Byron would look with 100 million dollars spent on defense along with a first round corner and JPP returning. Collins was damn near trash his first season before all that, and all the concerns about him were apparent.

Well the Giants had 35 sacks last year and Dallas had 36. Sooooo yea

Giants passes defended 97
Dallas passes defended 64

Not all passrush.. Just sayin'

 

[noyatta21]

We picked Jones in the first round. Giants picked Collins in the second round pick number 1.
Jones was a corner which we turned to safety and Collins was a safety and plays that position for the giants in the NFL. They both play pretty good. Collins around the line of scrimmage and Jones spend most of his time covering TE's one on one or the deep part of the field.

I would of love to had been able to get Collins in the 2nd round. Heck I would of traded our 2nd and 3rd rounder for him.....of course with hindsight being 20/20 lol. Randy Gregory and Chaz Green for Landon Collins is a no brainer so far.

Lets hope Heath can make us proud. I'm actually intrigued with Xavier Woods though. He impressed me vs the Rams. Too bad he was injured and didn't play no more in preseason. But he is back healthy and seem to play with instincts.

Please remember that Collins has 2 allstar Cb's and a good pass rush!!! He is allowed to cheat as a SS. He can read and react. Jones time will come!

 

[Knotamus]

They don't really play similar positions. Byron plays a ton of single high and they line him up really deep. Like twenty yards off the line. It's a trade off because they didn't give up a lot of big plays but it leaves the field open underneath. It also takes Byron out of a lot of plays. Career wise neither of his seasons have resembled the other. Year one he was the best man cover guy on TEs in the league. He was asked to do too much and it backfired a little. Last season he stayed deep a lot and was honestly the number one reason their secondary looked respectable. But when asked to do other things he wasn't as successful. Two weird hard to define seasons so far but if he can put the best of both seasons together he'll be elite.

I will say he's still more athlete than ballplayer right now. He's got no feel for his zone but he can cover enough ground to still be effective.

Thank you. Great write up and realistic view of Jones v Collins' debate.
It's funny how some folks have a way of using revisionist history as a way to throw a wet blanket on the front office and the draft process.
I stand firm and state that our team has done a great job at finding talent which has contributed to a fringe Super Bowl team. There's not a team out there that hits on all draft picks.. and if we missed with Jones, Gregory, and/or Green.. it's not because the fore mentioned players lacked talent. The draft is about acquiring talent, molding that talent to fit your scheme, and personal player accountability (which is very hard to grade). We can draft players like Martin, Zeke, Lee, Collins, Tyron, Dez, Fredrick, Dak.. etc, etc.. and the best accolades we might get is.. they got Lucky. Dumb.
Yes, Jones is in his third year (and based off Parcells) it's his time to shine. Considering everything the Cowboys have asked him to do (I.e.- corner, SS, FS, nickel linebacker), I believe Jones has acquitted himself just fine. As far as Collins.. basically a box Safety.. yes, he's acquitted himself well, but I'd bet, he wouldn't be able to handle it everything Jones has been expected to handle.
Bottomline, I'd love to have both on this team. But they shouldn't be compared.

 

[Proof]

Well the Giants had 35 sacks last year and Dallas had 36. Sooooo yea

Giants passes defended 97
Dallas passes defended 64

Not all passrush.. Just sayin'

Where did I say pass rush once?

Just surrounded by premiere talent.

 

[xwalker]

Collins is a straight up beast. I'd love to have him.

Jones is underrated in Dallas for whatever reason, though. He's a good player, and I wouldn't be shocked if he even ends up being the better S of the two when their careers are said and done. I'd be surprised, but not shocked.

People thought Roy Williams was better than Ed Reed for a couple of years.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I'm sorry I just can't forgive him for his busted plays. The biggest being the 3rd and 20 to a no name TE in the freaking playoffs last year. Landon Collins bats that ball down or picks it off.

Jones has zero awareness on the field. Zero. He is a gym rat in a football uniform. Collins is a freaking football player.

You should watch more Giants games. Collins has been beat many a time in coverage. He is better in the box

 

[Don Corleone]

Two areas that Jones is better in is smothering TE's and recovery speed/angles in covering deep receivers.

What??

 

[Irvin88_4life]

The same guy who gets beat by tight ends and moved to safety for the fact that he got beat too much in man coverage vs receivers? That Byron Jones?

Jones was moved to safety his rookie year when he shut down TEs including Gronk. He was moved to safety FOR the reason he can cover not because he couldn't

 

[xwalker]

That wasn't busted coverage. We were playing zone--and he respected his zone. That's on the passrush. If you play zone and give AR time, he's going to beat it.

Collins is on another level, but it's not realistic to hold Jones to those standards just because Collins was picked after him. Let's put it this way: If Taco turns into the Byron Jones of DEs, we'll all be very happy with him.

The entire league missed on Landon Collins. If anyone realized how good he was going to be, he'd have gone top 5.

Safety is the least understood position by fans. Most have never even watched All-22 footage.

The limited range of Church, Carr snd Hitchens made life difficult for Jones as the FS. He covered up for their lack of range on many occasions.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Aaron Rodgers loved our lack of a pass rush. Byron Jones wasn't covering Jared Cook on that play. You can argue that he should have broken the zone to cover him, but I'm not sure that he's coached to do that.

Well it helps when GB holds our players. 8-10 seconds most any receiver gets free