Byron Jones and Landon Collins

[Don Corleone]

Safety is the least understood position by fans. Most have never even watched All-22 footage.

The limited range of Church, Carr snd Hitchens made life difficult for Jones as the FS. He covered up for their lack of range on many occasions.

I'm sure that others in the secondary made up for Byron's deficiencies also.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

What??

Which do you have a problem with and which one do you think Collins is better at?

 

[Don Corleone]

Which do you have a problem with and which one do you think Collins is better at?

My issue with Jones is his lack of awareness. He often looks lost and lets TEs run behind him. So much for the zone. Collins simply has more awareness and is a threat to defend a pass. I think opposing QBs salivate at throwing towards 31 because he's unable to defend a pass unless it hits his hands by accident.

 

[xwalker]

I'm sure that others in the secondary made up for Byron's deficiencies also.

Based on what?

He has great range, is excellent in man coverage and he's a really good tackler that is quite physical for a rangy FS.

Garrett already said that the primary mistake on that play against GB was NOT made by Jones.

 

[stilltheguru88]

My issue with Byron is he was supposed to be some smart cat. If you're smart, where are the turnovers? He should know NFC east offenses like the back of his hand. This is his third year in the division.mix that intelligence with your world class athleticism

 

[Silverstar]

Jones needs to step up his game.

Step up?

Jones needs to "wake up" his game and grab some damn INT's.

I'm bout ready to trade his non-playmaking ***!

 

[Don Corleone]

Based on what?

He has great range, is excellent in man coverage and he's a really good tackler that is quite physical for a rangy FS.

Garrett already said that the primary mistake on that play against GB was NOT made by Jones.

Based on this...

And Garrett is full of ****.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

My issue with Jones is his lack of awareness. He often looks lost and lets TEs run behind him. So much for the zone. Collins simply has more awareness and is a threat to defend a pass. I think opposing QBs salivate at throwing towards 31 because he's unable to defend a pass unless it hits his hands by accident.

I'm curious how many Giants games have you watched or maybe you are a Giants fan. Collins isn't great in coverage at all and clearly not to the point of him not making mistakes like you claim. Jones is by far the better coverage safety and it's not even close.

 

[WillieBeamen]

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/looking-back-on-the-2015-draft-hurts.368826/



surprisingly many in there said they would still take jones.

I'll take my L



u got me lol

 

[plasticman]

Can Collins play cornerback?

You don't judge a pick by their first few seasons. You judge them by a career and their contribution towards winning championships. Byron's greatest advantage is that he can effectively play both cornerback and safety in the NFL. His versatility will come in extremely handy at some point during the next several seasons.

Byron Jones was not a safety when he played in 16 games in 2015. He was a CB. Last season was the first time he played exclusively at the safety position. When you compare those numbers to Collin's first year playing safety, his rookie year, the numbers are almost exactly the same.

 

[speedkilz88]

We should have drafted Shawne Merriman!

 

[Don Corleone]

I'm curious how many Giants games have you watched or maybe you are a Giants fan. Collins isn't great in coverage at all and clearly not to the point of him not making mistakes like you claim. Jones is by far the better coverage safety and it's not even close.

I'm a Cowboys fan of 37 years. I do watch NFC east games on Sunday Ticket. Whenever I see Collins he's always around the ball and making plays. Can Byron actually intercept a ball?

 

[Sydla]

You can like Jones while still admitting Collins is the better player and frankly if we could redo that draft, we might be better off taking Collins instead of Jones.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I'm a Cowboys fan of 37 years. I do watch NFC east games on Sunday Ticket. Whenever I see Collins he's always around the ball and making plays. Can Byron actually intercept a ball?

Of course when you see him cause it's a highlight reel. Watch a full game of Collins one day. His interceptions are from over thrown balls were he would have been burnt had the pass connected with receiver.

By the way yes Jones can intercept a pass......he did last year

 

[xwalker]

Based on this...

And Garrett is full of ****.

You're only looking at the end of the play Jones was not supposed to be the only defender in the area.

Regardless, judging a player on 1 play is lazy.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Can Collins play cornerback?

You don't judge a pick by their first few seasons. You judge them by a career and their contribution towards winning championships. Byron's greatest advantage is that he can effectively play both cornerback and safety in the NFL. His versatility will come in extremely handy at some point during the next several seasons.

Byron Jones was not a safety when he played in 16 games in 2015. He was a CB. Last season was the first time he played exclusively at the safety position. When you compare those numbers to Collin's first year playing safety, his rookie year, the numbers are almost exactly the same.

Great point!

 

[darthseinfeld]

They don't really play similar positions. Byron plays a ton of single high and they line him up really deep. Like twenty yards off the line. It's a trade off because they didn't give up a lot of big plays but it leaves the field open underneath. It also takes Byron out of a lot of plays. Career wise neither of his seasons have resembled the other. Year one he was the best man cover guy on TEs in the league. He was asked to do too much and it backfired a little. Last season he stayed deep a lot and was honestly the number one reason their secondary looked respectable. But when asked to do other things he wasn't as successful. Two weird hard to define seasons so far but if he can put the best of both seasons together he'll be elite.

I will say he's still more athlete than ballplayer right now. He's got no feel for his zone but he can cover enough ground to still be effective.

Glad someone said it. Rueing Jones over Collins is justifiable, however they are both used completely different ways and arent comparable as football players. You cant replace Jones in our scheme with Collins just like you couldnt replace Collins with Jones

 

[RJ_MacReady]

I'm curious how many Giants games have you watched or maybe you are a Giants fan. Collins isn't great in coverage at all and clearly not to the point of him not making mistakes like you claim. Jones is by far the better coverage safety and it's not even close.

THANK YOU!

I'm a Cowboys fan of 37 years. I do watch NFC east games on Sunday Ticket. Whenever I see Collins he's always around the ball and making plays. Can Byron actually intercept a ball?

Hence my description of Collins:

Collins is the better safety playing in the box with his pursuit angles/laying the hits while also displaying much better instincts breaking/making plays on the ball when playing back, no doubt.

Having said that, I'm really interested to hear your opinion of how Collins stacks up against Jones in coverage...especially man coverage.

I'll go ahead head you off in saying that Jones is better in man coverage than Collins and it's not even a close argument, IMO. Is Jones' coverage skills more valuable at the safety position than what Collins brings to he table? Probably not (why I'd take Collins as he is a stud SS with FS tendacies), but it's really valuable at certain times in this passing league where you're sending out 5 and 6 DBs on more occasions.

 

[xwalker]

Glad someone said it. Rueing Jones over Collins is justifiable, however they are both used completely different ways and arent comparable as football players. You cant replace Jones in our scheme with Collins just like you couldnt replace Collins with Jones

Free Safeties with range and man coverage skills that are not a liability against the run are difficult to find.

 

[Hardline]

Jalen Ramsey would've solved a lot of problems for this defense.
But no way in hades do I pass up on Zeke.