Calasis Campbell

[TellerMorrow34]

Shaun Phillips plays OLB.

I think he was trying to refer to Castillo, but doesn't know the San Diego players....

Ahhh, now that might have been.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

If that is the case he had 7 that one year but his other years were 3.5 (Also under Phillips, although that was his rookie year) and now the last year it was 2.5 again.

He's got 13 sacks in three years as a 3-4 end which is, what, 4 a season average.

Like i said you're going to occassionally see them get the great year where they may get 5-6 (in his case 7) but thats not going to be a year to year thing. Pass rush is not their first priority.

 

[CF74]

TO shows no sign of age and we can get his replacement next year like i said Michael Crabtree do you even know who that is ? Our loss in the playoffs had nothing to do with our personnel as opposed to the scheme that was drawn up and starting MB3 and running him 21 times in the first half and not letting TO exploit the joke ofo a secondary that the giants had.

TO is older than me!! And no I could care less about crabs in trees

 

[jrumann59]

If that is the case he had 7 that one year but his other years were 3.5 (Also under Phillips, although that was his rookie year) and now the last year it was 2.5 again.

He's got 13 sacks in three years as a 3-4 end which is, what, 4 a season average.

Like i said you're going to occassionally see them get the great year where they may get 5-6 (in his case 7) but thats not going to be a year to year thing. Pass rush is not their first priority.

You are wasting your time some on here must be dyslexic because they keep expecting 4-3 DE performance out of a 3-4 DE. The 3-4 defense uses its DEs more like 4-3 DT which means they read react and eat up blockers allowing pursuit and the LBers to clean the rest of the play up. While every so often the DEs do get in the backfield this is the exception not the rule and on obvious passing downs most teams do go to a 4 man line and the base 3-4 DEs either move to DT or they stand on the sideline. So in essence 3-4 DEs do not have as many opportunities to pin their ears back and rush as 4-3 DEs do.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

You are wasting your time some on here must be dyslexic because they keep expecting 4-3 DE performance out of a 3-4 DE. The 3-4 defense uses its DEs more like 4-3 DT which means they read react and eat up blockers allowing pursuit and the LBers to clean the rest of the play up. While every so often the DEs do get in the backfield this is the exception not the rule and on obvious passing downs most teams do go to a 4 man line and the base 3-4 DEs either move to DT or they stand on the sideline. So in essence 3-4 DEs do not have as many opportunities to pin their ears back and rush as 4-3 DEs do.

Aye. See that is part of the whole thing that I think people forget about. They don't give our DE's as many oppurtunities to actually go full bore after the passer all the time.

 

[Vintage]

Wade doesn't ask our DEs to read and react. He said when he came in here that our DL would be playing a 1 gap defense with the idea being that they are to split the defenders and get upfield.

Obviously, they don't do this all the time. But gone are the "read and react" and "engage the OL" only.

We have a good, solid DL. We just don't have a catayltic type DL player on the roster. That's all.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

True, true.

Although I thought Canty seemed to be coming on stronger there at the end of the year.

 

[Biggems]

If we are going to draft DL in the first.........the name I want to hear is Chris Long, Glenn Dorsey, or Sedrick Ellis......but since I will be hearing those names well before we get on the board.........I guess I don't want to hear the names of any DL in the first, or even second for that matter....

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Yes i did mean Castillo my fault. His rookie year numbers are really meh since thats a transitional year but the 7 sacks under phillips is what i was hinting at and him going backwards without phillips makes sense his scheme has DE getting more sacks.

 

[Vintage]

True, true.

Although I thought Canty seemed to be coming on stronger there at the end of the year.

I thought so too. And I think Ratliff could be a pretty good 3-4 DE.

I just think people expecting too much of our DL don't realize we don't have the elite type talent that some other teams have in their 3-4 and can't understand why we don't generate better pressure from our DL.

And conversely, I think people explaining the low sack numbers because we run a 3-4 don't account for that Wade has freed them up moreso than in previous years and they aren't producing as well as Wade would probably like (in terms of pass rushing).

I think its somewhere in the middle. We seem to have a good, solid DE tandem in Canty and Ratliff. But neither are overly athletic type that will wreak havoc in the passing game....but will be solid enough to generate some pressure as well as be anchors in the rushing game. Ditto on Ferguson.

Its not a weakness, but its not a catalytic type strength like a Ware ...or hopefully a Spencer.

 

[BAT]

You guys realize that he's NOT going to get 10 sacks a year in our scheme, right? I mean you realize it's not the job of our DE's to pass rush? That's why they use the OLB's, and the occassional ILB blitz, to get the majority of their sacks.

This guy will come in, and cause of our scheme, maybe he'll get 3 sacks a year instead of 1 and half or 2 that Spears gets.

While thats an extra sack or two I don't think that is nearly worth it to give up a first on him, when we are in much greater need of a CB and a WR in the first round.

It's one thing to say you don't know him/like him or prefer another position/player.

DEs may not be focal points of the pass rushing attack in a 3-4 scheme (like OLBs) but you could not be more wrong about 3-4 DEs. Some 3-4s are more aggressive (like Wade's) than others but here is a sampling of the more sackcessful 3-4 DEs:


Darnell Dockett AZ 9 sks 2007
Jarvis Green NE 5 sks 2007

Bryan Thomas NYJ 8.5 sks 2006
Jarvis Greeen NE 7.5 sks 2006
Ty Warren NE 7.5 sks 2006
Luis Castillo SD 7.0 sks 2006
Bertrand Berry AZ 6.0 sks 2006
Shaun Ellis NYJ 5.0 sks 2006


Like anything else, it really depends on the quality of the player at the position. The better the player, the better the result. Not all 3-4 DEs are condemned to the Parcells profile of dancing w/2 OL and/or the playmaking equivalent of a speed bump.

If Dallas could get 6-8 sacks from any of its DEs it would make Ware 3x more dangerous.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I thought so too. And I think Ratliff could be a pretty good 3-4 DE.

I just think people expecting too much of our DL don't realize we don't have the elite type talent that some other teams have in their 3-4 and can't understand why we don't generate better pressure from our DL.

And conversely, I think people explaining the low sack numbers because we run a 3-4 don't account for that Wade has freed them up moreso than in previous years and they aren't producing as well as Wade would probably like (in terms of pass rushing).

I think its somewhere in the middle. We seem to have a good, solid DE tandem in Canty and Ratliff. But neither are overly athletic type that will wreak havoc in the passing game....but will be solid enough to generate some pressure as well as be anchors in the rushing game. Ditto on Ferguson.

Its not a weakness, but its not a catalytic type strength like a Ware ...or hopefully a Spencer.

I agree with Jay. If we get Fergie back and he's ready to go, with Tank, I'd like to see them move Jay back out to end more and give him a chance to do a little more, possibly.

 

[TheHerd]

I don't think he's that good, and I certainly don't want to spend a #1 on a 3-4 DE.

Why not, aren't we supposed to be emulating the all world Patriots? BOTH thier starting DEs are VERY high first round picks (Ty Warren -13th pick, Seyour - 6th pick).

The Pats obviously think 3-4 DEs are important and playmakers. Maybe we all don't know as much about the 3-4 as we think.

 

[theogt]

Why not, aren't we supposed to be emulating the all world Patriots? BOTH thier starting DEs are VERY high first round picks (Ty Warren -13th pick, Seyour - 6th pick).

Belichick the genius obviously thinks 3-4 DEs are important and playmakers. Maybe we all don't know as much about the 3-4 as we think.

If he had the players we have right now, he would not have spent a 13th and 6th on a 3-4 DE.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I thought so too. And I think Ratliff could be a pretty good 3-4 DE.

I just think people expecting too much of our DL don't realize we don't have the elite type talent that some other teams have in their 3-4 and can't understand why we don't generate better pressure from our DL.

And conversely, I think people explaining the low sack numbers because we run a 3-4 don't account for that Wade has freed them up moreso than in previous years and they aren't producing as well as Wade would probably like (in terms of pass rushing).

I think its somewhere in the middle. We seem to have a good, solid DE tandem in Canty and Ratliff. But neither are overly athletic type that will wreak havoc in the passing game....but will be solid enough to generate some pressure as well as be anchors in the rushing game. Ditto on Ferguson.

Its not a weakness, but its not a catalytic type strength like a Ware ...or hopefully a Spencer.

Calasis Campbell= Elite talent