Calling all Dez haters (Performance Film Study)

[Sydla]

I love these posts that do not take into consideration what was in the video.

AKOYE takes the route tree and finds Dez winning of the best corners in the NFL on them. It was all of them plus a double move.

The narrative has been that Dez can only run 3 routes. Sharpe/Bayless have been bringing in corners that have faced Dez and had them feed into the narrative. AKOYE then shows Dez beating those corners on routes other than the 3 that supposedly Dez does not know how to run.

Another narrative has been that Dez only gets third stringers nowadays. That is debunked with proof.

And the proof is overwhelming. He shows plays one right after the other for 22+ minutes. I didn't count it but it is at least 130 plays with a conservative 10s per play estimate.

The truth is not in the middle because no one wants to talk about Dak's poor downfield accuracy and reads. No they want to bag on him and act like he should get a paycut.

Dez is going to go to another team and we are going to pay a guy who cannot throw accurate deep balls $25m AAV. It's sickening.

What is this rambling?

The truth is in the middle. Dez has some issues of his own creation. To deny that is absurd. It wasn't Dak that forced him to have his worst year in terms of drops last year. If Dez was so good on route running, why waste time going to a WR "specialist" to work on his route running skills?

This isn't an excuse for Dak, who I tend to agree, is a very risky proposition at this point to think is the long term future at QB here.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

this playing out in the press hasn't helped at all and Stephen jones is one of the main guys to do that this is not good for the team or dez should of been handled much differently

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

It's not a question of hate. It is question of what is Dak-friendly. Dez is not. He needs a QB who knows how to get him the ball despite the lack of separation. Daks not there yet.

The lack of separation? Lol You didn't watch the video did you?

What is this rambling?

The truth is in the middle. Dez has some issues of his own creation. To deny that is absurd. It wasn't Dak that forced him to have his worst year in terms of drops last year. If Dez was so good on route running, why waste time going to a WR "specialist" to work on his route running skills?

This isn't an excuse for Dak, who I tend to agree, is a very risky proposition at this point to think is the long term future at QB here.

So the fact that Dez wanting to sharpen his skills is a negative thing?

 

[G2]

One, I don't hate Dez. To label people that is dumb. Some fans just see him for what his IS not what he WAS.

Watched it. I mean, we can hand pick all of his successful plays, but I fail to understand what the point is. He's not been elite since 2014. Period.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What is this rambling?

The truth is in the middle. Dez has some issues of his own creation. To deny that is absurd. It wasn't Dak that forced him to have his worst year in terms of drops last year. If Dez was so good on route running, why waste time going to a WR "specialist" to work on his route running skills?

This isn't an excuse for Dak, who I tend to agree, is a very risky proposition at this point to think is the long term future at QB here.

So now you are going to be obstinate in not watching and instead characterize my post with a throwaway line. How scummy.

130+ plays against top corners of the routes that the narrative says he cannot win on.

And begging the question is not an argument. I shouldn't have to answer it but I will because a lot of illogical ninnies thin its a valid argument. Most players work with specialists in the offseason. That is doubly so with the lack of practice in the new CBA.

He should be celebrated for trying to get better but instead you make BS conclusions.

This should not be hard. You are shown routes other than hitch, slant, and go and can see Dez get great separation against top corners several times for each. There is no "middle ground" where you can keep on with your previous assumption in the face of that if you are intellectually honest. Not only can Dez run more than 3 routes, he can do the other routes well.

 

[Jake]

I don't hate Dez, I don't love Dez, probably because I don't actually know Dez.

But man, I'm tired of the polarizing figure he's become. "Dez this, Dez that,..." all day, every day.

 

[Sydla]

The lack of separation? Lol You didn't watch the video did you?


So the fact that Dez wanting to sharpen his skills is a negative thing?

LOL.

Yes, because that's what I said. It's a negative thing.

Geezus.

 

[G2]

So now you are going to be obstinate in not watching and instead characterize my post with a throwaway line. How scummy.

130+ plays against top corners of the routes that the narrative says he cannot win on.

And begging the question is not an argument. I shouldn't have to answer it but I will because a lot of illogical ninnies thin its a valid argument. Most players work with specialists in the offseason. That is doubly so with the lack of practice in the new CBA.

He should be celebrated for trying to get better but instead you make BS conclusions.

This should not be hard. You are shown routes other than hitch, slant, and go and can see Dez get great separation against top corners several times for each. There is no "middle ground" where you can keep on with your previous assumption in the face of that if you are intellectually honest. Not only can Dez run more than 3 routes, he can do the other routes well.

It's that whole catching thing he needs to see a specialist about.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

I agree with the OP. Dez Bryant is the single best outlet to spend 17m$ in cap space next season. What are you going to do, cut him and pay Earl thomas? OBJ? With Dez you’re getting 100 yards for every 2m$ you give him. That’s a steal.

 

[birdwells1]

I'm sorry but, all you have to do is study his season stats the last 3 years and you get all the information you need. I watched the video but, I also studied all
the all 88's the last couple of years and the truth is there if you care to really evaluate.

Well then post your video proof.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

It doesn't take a lot of work to develop a video of "greatest hits" about Dez. The truth is that for more than half of the games last year he could not create separation to save his life and in a lot situations he was only being single covered. Beasley was getting a lot of additional coverage shifted to him and Dez could not help Dak out. Clearly his skills and abilities are becoming diminished. With his
current cap hit and salary, it makes sense to either make an adjustment or let him seek a ring on another team like Ware.

This isnt a greatest hits or highlight video, these are plays against top DBs that people say he can't get separation from.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL.

Yes, because that's what I said. It's a negative thing.

Geezus.

So what reason did you have in your head for Dez going to train on his routes that is not negative then. You were obviously going for "because he cannot run routes.

Quit whining and either defend your position or concede we have a point.

 

[Sydla]

So now you are going to be obstinate in not watching and instead characterize my post with a throwaway line. How scummy.

130+ plays against top corners of the routes that the narrative says he cannot win on.

And begging the question is not an argument. I shouldn't have to answer it but I will because a lot of illogical ninnies thin its a valid argument. Most players work with specialists in the offseason. That is doubly so with the lack of practice in the new CBA.

He should be celebrated for trying to get better but instead you make BS conclusions.

This should not be hard. You are shown routes other than hitch, slant, and go and can see Dez get great separation against top corners several times for each. There is no "middle ground" where you can keep on with your previous assumption in the face of that if you are intellectually honest. Not only can Dez run more than 3 routes, he can do the other routes well.

I'll give you $100 if you can point out where in this thread that I said anywhere that Dak can't beat top CBs.

And the point about him working out with a route running specialist wasn't a negative, there was a point there that I am not surprised you missed.

Classic Fuzzy.

 

[G2]

2017 is all you need to look at. The drops and turnovers were stunning. Lots of evidence out there.

 

[CATCH17]

It's that whole catching thing he needs to see a specialist about.

This I will put on him.

Dez has to not drop passes at the rate he did last season but Dez has great hands and I would expect that last season was just an outlier.

 

[G2]

This I will put on him.

Dez has to not drop passes at the rate he did last season but Dez has great hands and I would expect that last season was just an outlier.

That would be nice. To have better protection and Dez and Dak on the same page. I would love it. Shut all of us idiots up.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

One, I don't hate Dez. To label people that is dumb. Some fans just see him for what his IS not what he WAS.

Watched it. I mean, we can hand pick all of his successful plays, but I fail to understand what the point is. He's not been elite since 2014. Period.

The narrative is that he cannot get separation on anything other than the hitch, slant, and go. Do you agree that that narrative is false after watching 130+ plays showing him getting separation on those other routes?

I get that you are emotionally invested in not liking Dez and want to hold onto that but let's talk specifics instead.

 

[CATCH17]

Also... I do not want to waste a 1st round pick on a WR that will sit out there and collect dust or just be ignored.

 

[Sydla]

So what reason did you have in your head for Dez going to train on his routes that is not negative then. You were obviously going for "because he cannot run routes.

Quit whining and either defend your position or concede we have a point.

LOL at you criticizing anyone for "whining".

And the point with Bryant going to a route running specialist is that a 29 year old WR normally doesn't have to go to a specialist to work on route running, if indeed, he's great at as you have said. Like you always do, you jump to conclusions largely to fit your narrative and argument. I applaud him for working on stuff he feels he needs to work on and going to that guy. I've also said multiple times, I don't think they should cut him. I think people that believe we can find his talent and production off the street are misguided.

But I won't be blind to the reality that some of his issues are self inflicted.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm sorry but, all you have to do is study his season stats the last 3 years and you get all the information you need. I watched the video but, I also studied all
the all 88's the last couple of years and the truth is there if you care to really evaluate.

That was done in this video and it does not support your conclusion.

So far we have 130 plays on our side and 0 plays for your side. But hey Skip Bayless agrees with you at least.