Can Demarcus Lawrence be our version of JPP?

[JsnSA]

Anyone have a link to these physical transformation photos? I guess I missed that.

 

[AsthmaField]

Actually, that's not true. Lawrence is 11.11% better than JPP right now.

Damn... I gotta get a new slide rule...

 

[AsthmaField]

Anyone have a link to these physical transformation photos? I guess I missed that.

It has been widely reported that Lawrence has improved his physique a whole lot over where he was when Dallas drafted him. I'm sure there are pics somewhere, but that he has improved a lot physically really isn't up for debate. It is a known fact.

 

[jrumann59]

My hopes is more athletic tony tolbert.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

If the Last two games are any indication on how well D-Law is going to playing moving forward.. Then I think he can be just as disrupting as JPP. This shouldn't be a problem being he has a year under his belt to get fully healthy and the added "premier" talent he will be surrounded by. I truely believe our DL is going to win games for us this year.. We would have been better last year if it wasn't for a few injuries to promising players like Gardner, Terrell McClain, and Jack Crawford. Add talented players like Hardy, Tyron Crawford (now settled into his new position), Gregory, D-law (missed the first nine games).. Mark my Words..THIS DL WILL BE SCARY.

And I haven't even mentioned the other players I like.. Mincey, Whaley, and Russell

Yup. That was without help. He willed himself into playmaker mode.

 

[fishspill]

DLaw is probably the guy I'm most interested in seeing this preseason and in the early part of the year. I was underwhelmed most of last year but he had good reasons for being invisible. I wanna see him causing some problems when he's in there. He's no JPP right now, but JPP isn't JPP either.

 

[conner01]

LT played riding the white horse. Can't teach or mimic that kind of desire.

Meant jason Taylor

 

[John813]

I watch Lawrence and I see more Greg Ellis then I do JPP.

Pre or post injury Greg Ellis?

 

[xwalker]

Actually, that's not true. Lawrence is 11.11% better than JPP right now.

Yes, JPP is 90% of Lawrence.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Anyone have a link to these physical transformation photos? I guess I missed that.

 

[xwalker]

Given the offseason news and photos of Demarcus Lawrence and his physical transformation, he's starting to remind me of the Giants defensive end (minus the nonsense!).

I see a lot of similarities between the two players. Both were small school transfers and both amassed nearly identical college sacks numbers. (30 for Lawrence and 31 for JPP).

Pierre-Paul is longer at 6'5" to 6'3" with a 34 3/4in arm length for JPP, 33 3/4in for Lawrence, while Lawrence is stronger - 19 reps for JPP with 20 for Lawrence. And if offseason reports are accurate, I would expect Lawrence's strength to have increased significantly.

40 yard dash comparisons place both very close - 4.67 reported for Pierre-Paul and 4.69 reported for Lawrence.

This post is in no way saying Lawrence is in Pierre-Paul's proven class yet, only that with continued work and progress, perhaps he could be.

And minus the off-the-field nonsense, that would be a nice place for both him and the Cowboys to be.

Even if he could, I don't know if we'll see that kind of sack production with Lawrence playing the Strong Side. The SDE is actually a different position than the WDE in Marinelli's defense. WIth no TE, the SDE is a 5-tech and the WDE is a 7tech.

I've always thought that JPP was a freak athlete; although, his official forty time at the combine appears to have been 4.78 which is slower than I expected.

JPP and DLaw had the same 10 yard time at the combine, but JPP was 19 pounds heavier.

Some people think the 3-cone is the best indicator for DEs and JPP had a freak number there for his size at 7.18 vs 7.46 for DLaw.

DLaw did improve his 10 and 40 at his Pro Day, but I don't see any Pro Day numbers for JPP.

 

[Stash]

Even if he could, I don't know if we'll see that kind of sack production with Lawrence playing the Strong Side. The SDE is actually a different position than the WDE in Marinelli's defense. WIth no TE, the SDE is a 5-tech and the WDE is a 7tech.

True, but in his favor is the fact that Lawrence won't be facing the opponents' best tackle any longer. I think he'll get his breaks in a rotation, but I expect Lawrence to be 'the guy' on the left side for the majority of plays, especially in pass rush situations.

I've always thought that JPP was a freak athlete; although, his official forty time at the combine appears to have been 4.78 which is slower than I expected.

I've seen various 40 times listed for both players, but overall the numbers look very close.

JPP and DLaw had the same 10 yard time at the combine, but JPP was 19 pounds heavier.

Some people think the 3-cone is the best indicator for DEs and JPP had a freak number there for his size at 7.18 vs 7.46 for DLaw.

DLaw did improve his 10 and 40 at his Pro Day, but I don't see any Pro Day numbers for JPP.

I couldn't find pro day numbers for him either. For the record, I do think that Pierre-Paul has the edge in pure athleticism and length, but I think the areas of strength and quality of opposition based on position might allow Lawrence to be a similar disruptive force.

 

[jday]

Appendage-speaking DLaw has an advantage over JPP

JPP just gave you the finger....and now he would like it back...please....he really really needs it.

 

[xwalker]

True, but in his favor is the fact that Lawrence won't be facing the opponents' best tackle any longer. I think he'll get his breaks in a rotation, but I expect Lawrence to be 'the guy' on the left side for the majority of plays, especially in pass rush situations.



I've seen various 40 times listed for both players, but overall the numbers look very close.



I couldn't find pro day numbers for him either. For the record, I do think that Pierre-Paul has the edge in pure athleticism and length, but I think the areas of strength and quality of opposition based on position might allow Lawrence to be a similar disruptive force.

I have no idea how strong DLaw will be in the future. In college he was one of the best run defenders in his draft of the elite type pass rushers. We know JPP is very strong because he has often gotten a very good push on Tyron.

It appears that JPP did perform the jumps again at his Pro Day.

Combine DLaw
Height: 6027
Weight: 251
40 Yrd Dash: 4.80
20 Yrd Dash: 2.80
10 Yrd Dash: 1.68
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 20
Vertical Jump: 34 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'05"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.31
3-Cone Drill: 7.46

Pro Day DLaw
40 Yrd Dash: 4.69
20 Yrd Dash: 2.72
10 Yrd Dash: 1.63


Combine JPP
Height: 6046
Weight: 270
40 Yrd Dash: 4.78
20 Yrd Dash: 2.76
10 Yrd Dash: 1.68
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 19
Vertical Jump: 30 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'07"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.67
3-Cone Drill: 7.18

Pro Day JPP
Vertical Jump: 31 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'09"

 

[Stash]

I have no idea how strong DLaw will be in the future. In college he was one of the best run defenders in his draft of the elite type pass rushers. We know JPP is very strong because he has often gotten a very good push on Tyron.

It appears that JPP did perform the jumps again at his Pro Day.

Combine DLaw
Height: 6027
Weight: 251
40 Yrd Dash: 4.80
20 Yrd Dash: 2.80
10 Yrd Dash: 1.68
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 20
Vertical Jump: 34 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'05"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.31
3-Cone Drill: 7.46

Pro Day DLaw
40 Yrd Dash: 4.69
20 Yrd Dash: 2.72
10 Yrd Dash: 1.63


Combine JPP
Height: 6046
Weight: 270
40 Yrd Dash: 4.78
20 Yrd Dash: 2.76
10 Yrd Dash: 1.68
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 19
Vertical Jump: 30 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'07"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.67
3-Cone Drill: 7.18

Pro Day JPP
Vertical Jump: 31 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'09"

Hard to track down exact numbers, here's an article saying Pierre-Paul ran a 4.67 40-time.

http://www.gousfbulls.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7700&ATCLID=204899254

 

[speedkilz88]

I would take it a step further and I think the goal is to have at least 4 quality pass rushers similar to what the NYGs used in their two super bowl runs. I think their pass rush was the key to those championships.


Strahan 6-5 255-275 (2nd RND - Was undersized coming out of Tx So)SDE
Tuck 6-5 265
Umenyiora 6-3 255
Kiwanuka 6-5 267

Tuck 6-5 265
Kiwanuka 6-5 267
Umenyiora 6-3 255
Paul-Pierre 6-5 270




Lawrence 6-3 251-265
Mincey 6-4 280
Hardy 6-4 275
Gregory 6-6 245



Gardner 6-4 270
Russell 6-5 267

 

[xwalker]

Hard to track down exact numbers, here's an article saying Pierre-Paul ran a 4.67 40-time.

http://www.gousfbulls.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7700&ATCLID=204899254

Walter Football likes to record the unofficial forty times and they have him with a 4.64 forty.

http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/combine2010DE.php

I really had to search for that one. They have a good database there, but don't make it easy to find the data from previous years.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Pre or post injury Greg Ellis?

Post injury when DLaw was on the shelf. Pre injury going forward.

 

[xwalker]

I would take it a step further and I think the goal is to have at least 4 quality pass rushers similar to what the NYGs used in their two super bowl runs. I think their pass rush was the key to those championships.


Strahan 6-5 255-275 (2nd RND - Was undersized coming out of Tx So)SDE
Tuck 6-5 265
Umenyiora 6-3 255
Kiwanuka 6-5 267

Tuck 6-5 265
Kiwanuka 6-5 267
Umenyiora 6-3 255
Paul-Pierre 6-5 270




Lawrence 6-3 251-265
Mincey 6-4 280
Hardy 6-4 275
Gregory 6-6 245



Gardner 6-4 270
Russell 6-5 267

Marinelli's scheme makes is a littler easier to have an undersized Weak Side DE than the Giants scheme.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

I don't care what each did at the combine, JPP is definately stronger than Lawrence. Maybe Lawrence closed the gap the offseason and maybe JPP will never be the same after the injury, but JPP has pushed around really powerful LTs like Tyron Smith and Trent Williams too many times for me to believe his 19 reps is an indicator of how strong he is now

It's also important to note that bench pressing is just straight up easier the shorter your arms are, so 19 reps for JPP is more impressive than 20 reps for Lawrence given the same weight they were repping. Just a small thing to note.