Can Jason Campbell bounce back?

[thewireman]

Oh good lord...

Are you so insecure about your current team that you need to live in 1995? Do you still thank Neil O'Donnell?

Are Commander fans so insecure about there team they have to bring up the repeated and tired out "haven't won a playoff game in blah blah years"? The last I checked the Superbowl means more than a playoff win, and the last I checked the Commanders have not been there in what 16-17 years?

Oh and heres a thought, Romo has at least brought the Cowboys to the Playoffs twice and only starting for a year and a half, Has Jason Campbell ever brought his team to the playoffs..ever???

 

[CowboyWay]

I think if JC works real hard and has a couple breaks go his way, in a few years he could be really average.

How anyone but an extreme homer can say otherwise is is a joke.

 

[silverbear]

I personally love the arguments in this thread, lots of riveting analysis based solely on conjecture. The truth is one one has any idea how the Commanders in general are going to be let alone how Campbell is going to play.

On the one hand, you're right; Zorn is gonna change things up, and it will be tough to get a read on the Skins this year until the league gets some game tape on them...

OTOH, you're wrong, to say we don't know how Campbell is going to play... all we need to do is look at his record when he has thrown over 30 passes, which currently stands at 0-10... and how often did he directly sabotage Skins' comeback attempts with late game turnovers last season??

This gives us some indication of his ability, or lack of same... suffice it to say, after 20 starts, his stats will have to improve to be mediocre... a career 77.3 quarterback rating is not the stuff legends are made of, particularly not when the QB posting that rating is averaging just 6.4 yards per attempt... 25 turnovers in 20 career games (19 of them in 13 games this past year) is another indication of his rather large down side...

Now, is it possible that Jim Zorn will be have a positive affect on Campbell, and speed his progress?? Of course it is, but it's more possible that Campbell will struggle to learn the new system being implemented, as he has always struggled with picking up a new system... so I really don't anticipate seeing some quantum leap forward from Jason Campbell in 2008...

I say this not as a Skins hater, though of course it doesn't displease me on that level, but simply because I've seen Campbell play a lot thus far early in his career, and I am singularly unimpressed...

 

[Bonecrusher#31]

On the one hand, you're right; Zorn is gonna change things up, and it will be tough to get a read on the Skins this year until the league gets some game tape on them...

OTOH, you're wrong, to say we don't know how Campbell is going to play... all we need to do is look at his record when he has thrown over 30 passes, which currently stands at 0-10... and how often did he directly sabotage Skins' comeback attempts with late game turnovers last season??

This gives us some indication of his ability, or lack of same... suffice it to say, after 20 starts, his stats will have to improve to be mediocre... a career 77.3 quarterback rating is not the stuff legends are made of, particularly not when the QB posting that rating is averaging just 6.4 yards per attempt... 25 turnovers in 20 career games (19 of them in 13 games this past year) is another indication of his rather large down side...

Now, is it possible that Jim Zorn will be have a positive affect on Campbell, and speed his progress?? Of course it is, but it's more possible that Campbell will struggle to learn the new system being implemented, as he has always struggled with picking up a new system... so I really don't anticipate seeing some quantum leap forward from Jason Campbell in 2008...

I say this not as a Skins hater, though of course it doesn't displease me on that level, but simply because I've seen Campbell play a lot thus far early in his career, and I am singularly unimpressed...

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CowboyWay]

When I heard JC was going to be playing in the WC offense, I just laughed and laughed.

Same way I did when I heard Mora Jr was going to put Vick in a WCO.

JC has the most problems throwing the short underneath pass. He is incredibly innacurate in the short game.

I know, I know......he played in it in College. Well he doesn't have the two best rb's in the league to throw screen passes to anymore.

He will suffer this year. I'd be shocked if by game 5 they aren't begging for Collins to be the starter.

 

[firehawk350]

Shocker, you mean Cowboys fans don't think the Commanders' QB is going to do well? Just curious, but what do you think of Clinton Portis and Laron Landry there Silverbear?

 

[kapolani]

Shocker, you mean Cowboys fans don't think the Commanders' QB is going to do well? Just curious, but what do you think of Clinton Portis and Laron Landry there Silverbear?

I think Clinton Portis is a good back. Is he HOF material? If he plays long enough and wins something maybe.

Laron Landry. Not that impressed, but he does have some upside.

Before you say I haven't seen enough of Landry. I live in Maryland and see just about every game the Foreskins play.

 

[firehawk350]

Landry I think was miscast as a SS. Yes, Taylor was there at FS and he was the better player to put there but Landry is much better suited to FS and you could see the difference the second we put him there. Landry doesn't have the physical tools Sean did (though, to say he has "some" upside is a bit underestimating though) but I think Landry is a bit more of a student of the game.

It was actually directed to Silverbear though because he will never admit anybody on the Skins is any good.

Jason Campbell isn't bad, he's about average right now, which is okay because he dealt with a lot that Romo, Brady, Manning or any other top QB didn't and he's still young. You should know this given you watched every skins game.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

It was actually directed to Silverbear though because he will never admit anybody on the Skins is any good.

Well, it's not like the Skins have been tearing up the league over the years. That doesn't mean there's no talent on their roster, but it also doesn't mean they have a lot of superstars either. Yes, I know the Cowboys haven't won a playoff game in 10 years, but a 13-3 record does indicate some top notch quality play during the regular season which likely came from some top notch talent. And it's tough to disparage Silverbear's remarks on Campbell given how he backed them up with stats showing why he's not impressed with him.

Not to mention that last year the other 31 teams had an average QB rating of 81. So Campbell (77 QB rating) was a below average QB last season.





YAKUZA

 

[firehawk350]

Well, it's not like the Skins have been tearing up the league over the years. That doesn't mean there's no talent on their roster, but it also doesn't mean they have a lot of superstars either. Yes, I know the Cowboys haven't won a playoff game in 10 years, but a 13-3 record does indicate some top notch quality play during the regular season which likely came from some top notch talent. And it's tough to disparage Silverbear's remarks on Campbell given how he backed them up with stats showing why he's not impressed with him.

Not to mention that last year the other 31 teams had an average QB rating of 81. So Campbell (77 QB rating) was a below average QB last season.





YAKUZA

I think this maybe the most thought out homer response I have ever gotten. So well-thought out, giving concessions and taking ground where you know you can, writing with good grammar and everything. Well done sir, all that and what you basically said was, the Cowboys rock (13-3 baby!), Skins aren't good and Campbell suckz!!!1!one11!

Either way, here's the best I can do with what you gave me... Excuse the quotation style, I don't feel like doing it any other way.

Well, it's not like the Skins have been tearing up the league over the years. That doesn't mean there's no talent on their roster, but it also doesn't mean they have a lot of superstars either.

No, we've got a solid cast of players with enough top-level talent to compete. Cooley, Moss (when he's healthy), Portis, Landry, Springs, Rocky, Fletcher, Carter are all guys who are among the better at their position. Sean Taylor was easily the best S in the league last year, but as we all know, that was cut short. The problem, like it is with you guys, is that we can't seem to get the production and talent to turn into a solid push in the playoffs. We've been there 2 out of the last 3 years and went as far as you guys have (that is, the divisional round).

Yes, I know the Cowboys haven't won a playoff game in 10 years, but a 13-3 record does indicate some top notch quality play during the regular season which likely came from some top notch talent.

You guys had a great September/October, a solid November and horrible December/January. You had your share of luck, you've made your share of plays but you didn't face a lot of the issues the Skins faced this year. What if Ware was murdered, what if Colombo and Davis went out with an injury? How about Newman and Ellis? 9-7 given those circumstances were pretty damn solid I think. As far as top-notch talent, you've got some players, I'll admit that. Ware, Newman, Ellis, TO, Romo, Witten, Barber (though how he made it over Portis is beyond me) are all among the better at their positions. However, I don't think you are as solid and up and coming as reading on here would make you believe.

And it's tough to disparage Silverbear's remarks on Campbell given how he backed them up with stats showing why he's not impressed with him.

It's not nearly as tough as you'd think. Take for example Mark Bulger. He was on a lot of guys' top 5/10 QB list last year at the beginning of the season. After a rash of injuries to his OL, RB and poll around now to see what people think of him. Did he suddenly start sucking, or maybe circumstances conspired against him a bit? Campbell dealt with a lot, came out with an average QB rating and for a guy in his second year starting did pretty well. He has to improve his decision making and his deep accuracy but you'd be hard pressed to find people outside of the Cowboys fandom who think that Campbell sucks.

Stats could be shown that Romo was "figured out" given he threw something like 1 TD and 5 INTs in the last 4 games but that wouldn't be fair. Likewise, a 77 QB rating in his 2nd year starting and 30+ passes 0-10 stat is hardly indicative of a guy who will never be good. Maybe he threw so many passes because we were behind and he was trying to catch up? He threw 30+ passes in the Pats game where we lost 52-7, is that really indicative of him sucking or just the entire Skins team playing like crap? He threw 29 passes against the Eagles in week 2 and won. If he would have spiked the ball, he'd have broken that stupid stat. In week 3, he threw 34 passes but it was the lack of drive in two consecutive plays by Betts at the 1 that lost that game. Had Betts extended, again, we wouldn't be talking about this stat. He threw 34 passes against the Eagles again and posted a 114 QB rating, so I don't think he's to blame there either.

I'm not saying that Campbell is going to be awesome, but I think it's a bit early to say he sucks. Even below average is stretching the truth a bit. He was about average and given his experience, that's good.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Stats could be shown that Romo was "figured out" given he threw something like 1 TD and 5 INTs in the last 4 games but that wouldn't be fair.

No, it would be foolish and contradictory. By saying that Romo was "figured out" at the end of the 2007 season means that NFL coaches need nearly 2 years of film to figure somebody out. I don't think anybody believes that. It's contadictory because Romo was supposedly figured out at the end of the 2006 season, then torched opposing defenses for nearly the entire 2007 season. Then was supposedly figured out again?

That's why only the foolish and hypocritical posters would say Romo was "figured out."

Instead Romo's critics like to blame Jessica Simpson instead.

Likewise, a 77 QB rating in his 2nd year starting and 30+ passes 0-10 stat is hardly indicative of a guy who will never be good.

It's also hardly indicative that the QB will get better as well. That's the point, his play has been largely unimpressive so far. What is he "bouncing back" from? Below average QB play?

Maybe he threw so many passes because we were behind and he was trying to catch up? He threw 30+ passes in the Pats game where we lost 52-7, is that really indicative of him sucking or just the entire Skins team playing like crap?

If you can't win when you throw 30+ passes it shows that your skills are a bit limited. It's like Jake Plummer with Denver in 2005. As long as they kept his pass attempts in the 20-29 attempts range, they would win. But if they couldn't get the run game going and needed to rely on him more to get the victory, he just wasn't good enough to get the Broncos to win. If anything, it shows that Campbell hasn't been good enough to win games when they need to rely on him more than the running game. Whether or not that continues in the future is the big question.

In week 3, he threw 34 passes but it was the lack of drive in two consecutive plays by Betts at the 1 that lost that game. Had Betts extended, again, we wouldn't be talking about this stat.

It's still relevant because it shows that Washington still lost the game despite having a big lead on the G-Men and it just happened to coincide with Campbell throwing over 30 pass attempts. They certainly were not playing catch up in that game, yet the Commanders still lost.

I'm not saying that Campbell is going to be awesome, but I think it's a bit early to say he sucks. Even below average is stretching the truth a bit. He was about average and given his experience, that's good.

I've never said that he sucks. And from what I've read of SilverBear's throughts on him, he said he's "unimpressed." Below average is pretty accurate given his stats, particularly ypa and QB rating in his career.





YAKUZA

 

[Sonny#9]

And look how Brunell performed after 2005. Not exactly stellar. After awhile teams catch up to you.

And yes, Sean Taylor still gave up the most TD's for safeties in 2006. There are others that have access to STATS Pass on this board that see the same thing. I know it hurts that you don't have contacts that can get you access that I can, but there's no need to be bitter about it.

Ah yes, the mythical STATS pass. I couldn't care less about not having a pass. You are the ONLY person, anywhere, that has claimed this. Show me one other person, anywhere, that isn't a Cowboys fan, and I may give you some ounce of credit. Otherwise I am calling BS, again.

Relying on a TE too much is generally not a good thing as unless they are Antonio Gates or Tony Gonzalez, there's only so much they are going to produce. And it wasn't until the Chargers got Chris Chambers and Vincent Jackson started to improve that Rivers' game stepped up.

Interesting, you didn't mention Jason Witten's almost 15 more catches then Owens. But that's probably not a bad thing either.

Samuels is over 30 years old and is more likely to get hurt at this point and they don't have a replacement in line for him. Not to mention the rest of the starters on the O-Line are over 30 years old as well. It's more likely that the Commanders continue to have injured offensive linemen in 2008 which would obviously hurt Campbell's chances of "bouncing back."

Another earth shattering revelation. Damn, how do you do it? Samules will be 31 in July. He's missed 4 games in his career. I am not overly worried about him. Does that apply to guys like Adams -- who has missed more then twice the games Samules has missed. Gurode -- who is really overrated if you ask me. Davis, Kosier and Columbo are all approaching the dreaded 30 mark?

Additionally let's see what they do in the draft. I believe they have an extra 3rd rounder upcoming in compensation for Dockery.

Collins is adjusting to a new system as well. And I wasn't all that impressed with Collins to begin with. He was horrid against the Giants. He played well against a Bears team that couldn't defend anybody in 2007. He played well against the Vikings that couldn't stop the pass in 2007. And he didn't look all that hot against the Cowboys, who were playing Alan Ball at corner and had clinched HFA. And then he looked lousy against the Seahawks.

I am excited about Campbell back in a WCO -- that's all I really need to say here. He's not in an entirely new offense, he played in it in college. But I am sure you'll spin that around negatively.

Oh and this is why I never believe a thing you say:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3922091&postcount=252

and then the very nice reply (with actual facts):

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3922342&postcount=254

and you completely disappear. Were you that embarrassed?

 

[Rampage]

fact is campbell will always be an average qb at best. quit the bickering and go back to your Dallas voodoo dolls you foreskin fans

 

[Vintage]

My bet is, he won't be 0 for 2 with game ending turnovers in his first 2 playoff games

That would require Campbell making the playoffs, first....

And at this rate, it wouldn't surprise me if JC wins his first playoff game before Mr. Romo does

Sadly, nothing concerning the Dallas Cowboys in the playoffs will surprise me anymore.

I thought we'd beat the Giants. I thought we'd beat the Seahawks.

 

[theebs]

You guys had a great September/October, a solid November and horrible December/January

Might want to do some research firehawk. Our november was off the charts fantastic. Double digit wins in philly, ny home to washington, the jets and the pack. 5-0 is a little more than a solid month I would say.

and for what it is worth we were 2-2 in december and you make what you want of the game at washington. The only teams that really soundly beat us this season were Philly and new england. That doesnt mean anything for next year, I am just simply saying you might want to do some research.

 

[ZeroClub]

I hate to say it, but ...

If Eli Manning can win a Super Bowl, anything is possible.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Ah yes, the mythical STATS pass. I couldn't care less about not having a pass.

Obviously you do, because you wouldn't be so upset about the matter.

You are the ONLY person, anywhere, that has claimed this. Show me one other person, anywhere, that isn't a Cowboys fan, and I may give you some ounce of credit. Otherwise I am calling BS, again.

So now I have to get access to a non-Cowboys fan? I hate to tell you, but the truth hurts. Whatever your feelings for Sean Taylor are, the fact is that he led all safeties in TD's and missed tackles in 2006 according to STATS, Inc.

Interesting, you didn't mention Jason Witten's almost 15 more catches then Owens. But that's probably not a bad thing either.

Interesting you didn't mention that Owens was far, far, far more productive than the Commanders WR's and was far more productive than Witten when it came to receiving yards and TD's. Romo had great production when throwing to the receivers, which pales in comparison to when Campbell threw to his WR's. Of course anybody can see that, unless you have Commanders fan logic.

Another earth shattering revelation. Damn, how do you do it? Samules will be 31 in July. He's missed 4 games in his career. I am not overly worried about him. Does that apply to guys like Adams -- who has missed more then twice the games Samules has missed. Gurode -- who is really overrated if you ask me. Davis, Kosier and Columbo are all approaching the dreaded 30 mark?

Absolutely this applies. I don't recall saying otherwise.

Additionally let's see what they do in the draft. I believe they have an extra 3rd rounder upcoming in compensation for Dockery.

Oh and this is why I never believe a thing you say:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3922091&postcount=252

and then the very nice reply (with actual facts):

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3922342&postcount=254

and you completely disappear. Were you that embarrassed?

Hardly. I made a mistake by taking somebody's word for it and I still kept posting at ES after making the mistake. I became bored with ES and stopped posting there.

By the sounds of it you've never made a mistake before. Oh wait, that's already happened in your latest post several times.

You are to credibility as Jason Campbell is to clutch 4th quarter play.








YAKUZA

 

[silverbear]

Shocker, you mean Cowboys fans don't think the Commanders' QB is going to do well? Just curious, but what do you think of Clinton Portis and Laron Landry there Silverbear?

I like Portis, more for his off-field antics than for his on-field play... oh, he's a good running back, but that boy's a NUT...

Don't have a real opinion on Landry yet, wanna see some more of him... he did well enough last season, I suppose...

I like Chris Cooley too, other than his fashion sense... those "hot pants" were WAAAAAY too gay...

In fact, I could probably name 10 or 12 Skins I like just fine-- Shawn Springs was always a favorite, Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright... Chris Samuels, Jon Jansen and Randy Thomas are gettin' right old, but they still have some fuel in the tank, I think...

But I do not like Jason Campbell, and it's not just because he plays for the Washington Commanders... he's simply not very good, particularly not in crunch time...

 

[silverbear]

And it's tough to disparage Silverbear's remarks on Campbell given how he backed them up with stats showing why he's not impressed with him.

Not to mention that last year the other 31 teams had an average QB rating of 81. So Campbell (77 QB rating) was a below average QB last season.

Hey, I'm a Cowboys fan, and he's a Skins fan, and in his world, if a Cowboys fan says anything bad about any Skins player, he has to be looking for a flame war... he couldn't POSSIBLY be telling you his actual, honest opinion...

As you said, I have plenty of factual reasons for being less than impressed with Jason Campbell as a quarterback... and after 20 starts in this league, we have a pretty fair idea of what he is, and what he isn't...

Indeed, I'd say that any Skins fan blithely assuming that Jason Campbell is the long-term answer for his team at quarterback is engaging in the most homeristic of wishful thinking... in his case, the numbers don't lie...

 

[silverbear]

No, we've got a solid cast of players with enough top-level talent to compete.

Except that you lack depth... this is a direct result of the reckless way Danny Boy went out and paid top dollars for free agents, in the process trading away draft picks wholesale... your starters are just fine, and if you guys stay lucky on the injury front, you have enough ability to go 10-6 next year... but if you sustain even a "normal" number of injuries, your ability compete will quickly deteriorate...

Sean Taylor was easily the best S in the league last year, but as we all know, that was cut short.

And as a result, he's completely irrelevant to this discussion... I mean, he won't be on the 2008 team, will he??

So why bring him up??

You guys had a great September/October, a solid November and horrible December/January. You had your share of luck, you've made your share of plays but you didn't face a lot of the issues the Skins faced this year. What if Ware was murdered,

Oh, gimme a break... I'm gettin' past sick of you dragging up Sean Taylor as some kind of excuse; when he died, the Skins RALLIED, they PLAYED BETTER... indeed, it's quite likely that if that tragedy hadn't happened, the Skins wouldn't have made the playoffs... so in a perverse way, his death worked to your benefit...

what if Colombo and Davis went out with an injury? How about Newman and Ellis?

Now you're making alibis for your lack of depth... but all of your alibis combined don't explain the difference between 13-3 and 9-7...

As far as top-notch talent, you've got some players, I'll admit that.

LOL... you only "give us that" because you know what a fool you'd look like if you tried to deny it... 15 players who have been in the Pro Bowl in the last two years...

However, I don't think you are as solid and up and coming as reading on here would make you believe.

Given that we have 15 Pro Bowlers on the roster, one the league's youngest rosters, we're coming off a 13-3 record, and have two first round picks to work with, if you don't define them as "up and coming", then your definition of "up and coming" is obviously whacked...

Campbell dealt with a lot, came out with an average QB rating and for a guy in his second year starting did pretty well.

No, he didn't... he did not have an "average QB rating", for openers... he ranked 20th in quarterback rating among QBs with enough attempts to qualify (IIRC, that would be 225 attempts on the season)... an average quarterback rating would be 16th in a 32 team league, 20th is obviously a bit below average...

That's your first distortion of fact, which has led you to an unrealistic opinion of Jason Campbell...

His yards per attempt average of 6.4 was even worse, ranking him 23rd in the league... his completion percentage of 60.0 ranked him 24th in the league... he was the only QB in the league with over 400 attempts to throw fewer than 18 TD passes, and he only had 12...

These are also facts that you obviously haven't taken into consideration, and they paint a picture of Jason as a BELOW average QB in the NFL last year...

Then there's the matter of him being 0-10 in games in which he's thrown the ball 30 times or more... every time the Skins have put the game on his arm, they've lost... every single time... now, in games where you're behind you're gonna throw a lot more often, and you're gonna lose some, even most, of those games... but ALL of them?? TEN of them in a row??

Last but not least, Jason Campbell is now 8-12 after 20 games as a starter... and his replacement the last 3 games last season took the same, beat up team and went 3-0 with them to make the playoffs...

You go on and on about the injuries Campbell had to struggle with on his offense, but Collins came in and took over that same beat up team, and the offense instantly became more productive... in the first 13 games, the Skins averaged 19.5 points and 308.0 yards per game... in the last 3 games after Campbell went to the bench, against 3 teams that combined to go 31-17 last year, none of them finishing under .500, the Skins averaged 27.0 points per game, and 343.3 yards per game...

So against stiffer competition, Todd Collins (who is a journeyman at best) clearly outplayed Jason, working with the same cast...

Stats could be shown that Romo was "figured out" given he threw something like 1 TD and 5 INTs in the last 4 games

3 TDs and 5 ints, actually... and Romo didn't play all of that final game, did he?? Seems you're not above stretching the truth... and that was mostly because of one game, where he threw 3 ints with no TDs... in the other 2 and a half games, he completed 70 of 102 passes 68.6 per cent) for 645 yards, 3 TDs and 2 ints... that works out to a quarterback rating of 87.3... that's just 9 points lower than his career QBR...

Which is 10 points higher than Campbell's rating was last season, LOL... if Tony had put up that rating for an entire season, he still would have ranked 12th in the league...

I can't believe you're even trying to compare Jason to Tony anyway... that's just comical...

Jason has passed for over 300 yards in 2 of 20 starts, Tony has passed for over 300 in 10 of 26 starts... Jason has passed for over 220 yards in 5 of 20 starts, Tony has passed for over 220 in 21 of 26 starts... Jason has passed for over 200 yards in 10 of 20 starts (meaning he was under 200 yards in 10 of 20 starts), Tony has passed for 200 or more in 22 of 26 starts (meaning he's only failed to pass for 200 yards 4 times in 26 starts, and one of them was the Skins game at the end of last season, where he didn't play an entire game)... here's some other significant comparisons, to further demonstrate how comically ridiculous it is for you to try to drag Tony into this debate:

Completion percentage-- Romo 64.8%, Campbell 57.7%...

Yards Per Game Passing-- Romo 273.6, Campbell 199.9...

Yards Per Attempt-- Romo 8.3, Campbell 6.4...

TDs-- Romo 55 (2.1 per game), Campbell 22 (1.1 per game)...

Ints-- Romo 32 (1.2 per game), Campbell 17 (.85 per game)...

It's only in ints per game that Campbell's numbers compare favorably to Romo's, and a big part of that is how conservative a game plan the Skins called for Jason, the way they "protected" him, while Tony was allowed to take shots downfield with more regularity...

Bottom line, Tony Romo is a superior quarterback to Jason Campbell, and it's not really close...

Likewise, a 77 QB rating in his 2nd year starting and 30+ passes 0-10 stat is hardly indicative of a guy who will never be good.

Never said he would never be good... he might, he might not... but to this point, he hasn't shown us anything to make us believe he WILL be good... for sure, he's not good at this point... so your deep-seated belief that he will become good is based on wishful thinking, rather than any substantial, logical reasoning...

Maybe he threw so many passes because we were behind and he was trying to catch up?

LOL... nice try, but 32.1 attempts per game isn't really throwing the ball all that often... it only ranks him 15th in the NFL, or about average...

What's surprising to me is that Romo only threw the ball .3 times more per game... he only ranked 12th in attempts per game... there were a half dozen QBs who averaged over 35 attempts per game...

He threw 29 passes against the Eagles in week 2 and won. If he would have spiked the ball, he'd have broken that stupid stat. In week 3, he threw 34 passes but it was the lack of drive in two consecutive plays by Betts at the 1 that lost that game. Had Betts extended, again, we wouldn't be talking about this stat.

Or if he hadn't completed under 50 per cent of his passes in that game, for a comically feeble 5.6 yards per attempt, perhaps the Skins would have won that game... or maybe if he hadn't lost that critical fumble in the 4th quarter of that game, leading to a short TD drive for the Giants, the Skins might have won... once again, with the game on the line, Campbell came up small...

But you want to blame Betts...

It's funny, he goes 16 of 34 for 190 yards, commits a critical turnover late, the Skins score just 14 points, and you don't seem to blame him for any of that...

He threw 34 passes against the Eagles again and posted a 114 QB rating, so I don't think he's to blame there either.

You don't think he's to blame there?? You HAVE to be kidding me...

In the Skins' last 3 drives, Campbell went 4 of 9, for 18 whole yards... he had a 15 yard completion, a 4 yarder, a 2 yarder and one for -3 yards... and he had yet another critical fumble in that 4th quarter, just before the 2 minute warning, leading to the Iggles' clinching TD on the very next play... before that fumble, the Iggles were clinging to a 1 point lead...

Campbell was the goat of that game, but you don't blame him for any of that??

More to the point, how many times last year did Jason commit the critical turnover in the 4th quarter?? It sure seemed to me that most of his 8 fumbles lost last season came in crunch time...

I'm not saying that Campbell is going to be awesome, but I think it's a bit early to say he sucks. Even below average is stretching the truth a bit. He was about average and given his experience, that's good.

In the right situation, I could see Campbell developing into an effective QB, but the Skins of 2008 are not the right situation... Zorn is likely to go to a west coast-style of offense, that's his background, and Campbell's skills are not suited to a precision short passing game... he's just not accurate enough... IMO, an ideal situation for him would be an offensive approach like the Raiders employ, he's best suited for going downfield... but he would need a much better offensive line than the Raiders could put in front of him right now... give him that good OL and a vertical passing game, though, and I could see him succeeding... he'd make a lot of mistakes at first, but if you could live through those growing pains, in time his recognition on the field would cut down on those mistakes...

Further complicating things in 08 will be the implementation of a new system... even before Campbell was drafted by the Skins, I was reading draft reports about how he struggled to learn a new offense... now the Skins are putting in a new offensive system, and we can reasonably expect him to require some time to master it... what's sweet for us Cowboys fans is the likelihood that Zorn is not a long-term answer to the Skins' problems, so they're likely to be implementing another new system in the not too distant future, further setting back Campbell's development...

Now, on the plus side, Zorn might help Jason develop, if they can establish a productive relationship... the guy was a pretty fair QB himself, once upon a time...

Basically, my big knocks on Jason's prospects long-term are his lack of accuracy on the short stuff, his problems with learning a new system, and most of all, it just looks to me like he doesn't see the field real well... when he's able to find an open receiver downfield, he can hit that receiver, but if something doesn't come open rather quickly, he's in trouble... he has limited ability to improvise, and has been known to try to force things that aren't there (though that's a problem that many young QBs struggle with, and the good ones overcome it in time)...


All of these opinions are based on what I've seen watching the guy play, not on my hopes as a Cowboys fan...