Can T-new move to FS, successfully?

[CATCH17]

alot of guys are playing with injuries and it shows with them as well. I don't think the guy is a safety I think he is best suited for the job of CB.

Me too.

The guy has lost a step and has a bad habit of peeking in the backfield and he can't recover from it like he used to.

I'd love to keep him it may he smart to move on.

Had Jenkins played anything like he did in 09 I think we would've for sure moved on.

 

[TheCount]

alot of guys are playing with injuries and it shows with them as well. I don't think the guy is a safety I think he is best suited for the job of CB.

I agree, but he's pricy. I've got no problem with the price as long as it doesn't stop us from acquiring talent. It's not my money.

 

[Doomsday101]

Me too.

The guy has lost a step and has a bad habit of peeking in the backfield and he can't recover from it like he used to.

I'd love to keep him it may he smart to move on.

Had Jenkins played anything like he did in 09 I think we would've for sure moved on.

Given the age and cost I would not be competely aginst it if Dallas were to draft one of the top CB's.

 

[Idgit]

No clue but the guys who do are all playing at a much higher level than Newman....

Need I point out that you logically can't have any idea if this is true or not? For as many Newman threads as we have on the boards, we really have *no* idea if the guy's overpaid or not.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Newman can run just fine. He made a few boneheaded plays last year but with our coverage over the top due to Ball, one of the worst defensive starters in the league, being absolutely abysmal I can understand some uncertainty in how to execute assignments.

As for durability, his injuries have been plantar fasciitis, hammies and groin pulls.

These are not injuries that tell me he cannot take a hit. What this tells me is that he runs backwards hard, pivots and then sprints over and over again.

These actions put tremendous strain on your feet and legs.

A move to FS might be just what the doctor ordered.

As for his ability to tackle I believe people have no perspective. He tackles very well and is more than willing to come up in run support. He is not Ronnie Lott but he certainly sticks his nose in there with more success than most.

Anyway, if Rob Ryan thinks he can do it then I say go for it.

 

[Doomsday101]

Newman can run just fine. He made a few boneheaded plays last year but with our coverage over the top due to Ball, one of the worst defensive starters in the league, being absolutely abysmal I can understand some uncertainty in how to execute assignments.

As for durability, his injuries have been plantar fasciitis, hammies and groin pulls.

These are not injuries that tell me he cannot take a hit. What this tells me is that he runs backwards hard, pivots and then sprints over and over again.

These actions put tremendous strain on your feet and legs.

A move to FS might be just what the doctor ordered.

As for his ability to tackle I believe people have no perspective. He tackles very well and is more than willing to come up in run support. He is not Ronnie Lott but he certainly sticks his nose in there with more success than most.

Anyway, if Rob Ryan thinks he can do it then I say go for it.

The Ryan part I 100% agree with.

 

[zrinkill]

Newman can run just fine. He made a few boneheaded plays last year but with our coverage over the top due to Ball, one of the worst defensive starters in the league, being absolutely abysmal I can understand some uncertainty in how to execute assignments.

As for durability, his injuries have been plantar fasciitis, hammies and groin pulls.

These are not injuries that tell me he cannot take a hit. What this tells me is that he runs backwards hard, pivots and then sprints over and over again.

These actions put tremendous strain on your feet and legs.

A move to FS might be just what the doctor ordered.

As for his ability to tackle I believe people have no perspective. He tackles very well and is more than willing to come up in run support. He is not Ronnie Lott but he certainly sticks his nose in there with more success than most.

Anyway, if Rob Ryan thinks he can do it then I say go for it.

Great post ...

 

[Stautner]

I have no idea where fans started getting the notion that a safety, even a free safety, doesn't need to be a physical player. I think the fact that passing offense are a little more open now and therefor safeties have to run and cover a bit better has somehow caused people to think that safeties no longer need to be physical or help in run support or fight through tacklers. Folks, this is wrong. It means a safety has to be more things, not that it only has to be a cover guy. We still need a guy who can separate a receiver from the ball, blitz the QB, meet and stop a 235 pound running back who breaks through up the middle, take down a 265 pound TE who catches a pass with a full head of steam. People talk about Newman being a good tackler, well that applies to WR's in the open field, not these kinds of situations against guys this size.

We tried the small finesse guy with Ball - it failed. Newman is at least a better athlete than Ball, but he would still have many of the problems ball did.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Nope.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have no idea where fans started getting the notion that a safety, even a free safety, doesn't need to be a physical player. I think the fact that passing offense are a little more open now and therefor safeties have to run and cover a bit better has somehow caused people to think that safeties no longer need to be physical or help in run support or fight through tacklers. Folks, this is wrong. It means a safety has to be more things, not that it only has to be a cover guy. We still need a guy who can separate a receiver from the ball, blitz the QB, meet and stop a 235 pound running back who breaks through up the middle, take down a 265 pound TE who catches a pass with a full head of steam. People talk about Newman being a good tackler, well that applies to WR's in the open field, not these kinds of situations against guys this size.

We tried the small finesse guy with Ball - it failed. Newman is at least a better athlete than Ball, but he would still have many of the problems ball did.

Newman is bigger than Ball. I do not care what their listed weights are. Ball is a slender build. Newman is much more compact and a true 195. Put on ten pounds and he is a close to ideal 205.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Newman is bigger than Ball. I do not care what their listed weights are. Ball is a slender build. Newman is much more compact and a true 195. Put on ten pounds and he is a close to ideal 205.

I seriously doubt that. Newman played at 180 or so in college and nobody worked harder in the weight room to add muscle than him once he got here. Still, he only got up to 190 or so. No way can he play at 205.

 

[Stautner]

Newman is bigger than Ball. I do not care what their listed weights are. Ball is a slender build. Newman is much more compact and a true 195. Put on ten pounds and he is a close to ideal 205.

Being bigger than Ball isn't much of an argument. Ball is no standard by any stretch of the imaginiation, and even at a more "compact and true" 195, that's still not very big. Besides, what does he lose in speed and agility if he bulks up to 205 or more? In addition, it says nothing about physicality, which is not solely a function of size. It's also strength, and attitude, and instinct - none of which Newman has shown a particular proclivity for. You could look at a guy like Ronnie Lott, who drove receivers into the ground as a CB, and know he would be an outstanding safety, but more finesse style CB's are a different story.

 

[newlander]

I never said his injuries take him off the field. But he does come up hobbled A LOT.

I gotta a lot of respect for his game.

I just don't think he would be a good safety.

He's more of a see receiver cover receiver type player.

You back him off the receiver and he becomes less effective.

...IMHO. VERY similar to Flo. We could USE him next year as a backup but the guy thinks he's worth alot more than he is so he won't agree to take less. We'll release him, he'll sign with someone like Pitt or Bmore and be a vital cog next year. That's when you know your organization is run poorly. You overpay for certain players like T.O., Leonard Davis, TNew, Hamlin, BOTH Roy Williams, and when you release them they go elsewhere and contribute. Just another sign that JJ doesn't know his arse from a whole in the ground from a GM standpoint.:bang2:

 

[Primetime42]

It's CowboysZone. You're supposed to start and play 16 games out of 16 every single year.

Nevermind the fact that they guy was playing with jacked up ribs this year when any lesser player would've been out for 2-4 weeks.

OH MY GOD!

PEOPLE ARE MAKING SENSE!

THE APOCALYPSE IS NIGH!!!

 

[casmith07]

I agree I just don't get the notion he is injury prone. Yes he got banged up this season welcome to the NFL where most guys are dealing with injuries as for time missed Newman has missed allot less time than many of the other top CB in the league.

Newman has missed 9 out of a total of 128 games in his career, not counting post-season games.

Not sure how he became "glass."

 

[casmith07]

Newman can run just fine. He made a few boneheaded plays last year but with our coverage over the top due to Ball, one of the worst defensive starters in the league, being absolutely abysmal I can understand some uncertainty in how to execute assignments.

As for durability, his injuries have been plantar fasciitis, hammies and groin pulls.

These are not injuries that tell me he cannot take a hit. What this tells me is that he runs backwards hard, pivots and then sprints over and over again.

These actions put tremendous strain on your feet and legs.

A move to FS might be just what the doctor ordered.

As for his ability to tackle I believe people have no perspective. He tackles very well and is more than willing to come up in run support. He is not Ronnie Lott but he certainly sticks his nose in there with more success than most.

Anyway, if Rob Ryan thinks he can do it then I say go for it.

Great post, Fuzzy.

 

[Stautner]

Newman has missed 9 out of a total of 128 games in his career, not counting post-season games.

Not sure how he became "glass."

I agree - the "glass" argument doesn't fly.

I just don't think he had the overall tools and attitude for a safety. I felt the same about Ball.

 

[casmith07]

I agree - the "glass" argument doesn't fly.

I just don't think he had the overall tools and attitude for a safety. I felt the same about Ball.

I think that he does, but I'm unsure of why you'd want to take a Top 5 CB and move him to Safety when he's still more than capable of playing CB at a high level.

Plus, the guy picks off Eli Manning like he's the WR :laugh1:

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree - the "glass" argument doesn't fly.

I just don't think he had the overall tools and attitude for a safety. I felt the same about Ball.

I agree. If Newman is here next season then I fully expect to see him at CB.

 

[Stautner]

I think that he does, but I'm unsure of why you'd want to take a Top 5 CB and move him to Safety when he's still more than capable of playing CB at a high level.

Plus, the guy picks off Eli Manning like he's the WR :laugh1:

I don't see Newman as a Top 5 CB - I never saw him that way even in his prime.

What I have always seen in Newman is a guy with average size, strength, and instincts, but who has done well because of outstanding speed. Speed is his major asset, which is still important but less crucial at safety, but he is not a particularly physical player, which he can get by with at CB, but not at safety. Accordingly, his ability to help the team lies more at CB than safety.