Can T-new move to FS, successfully?

[Primetime42]

Where does the notion that Newman is not a willing tackler come from?

He's one of the best tacklers at his position in the league.

 

[Fletch]

Glass? Newman has played 8 years and has only missed time in 2 of those years. Polamalu has been in the league 8 years started 7 years and missed time in 4 of those years. I don't hear many people claiming he is glass.

For all the talk of how injury prone Newman is he has not missed much time

I hear what you're saying, but Polamalu is arguably the very best FS in the league. He's more of a hybrid FS. If they want him in run support, Troy has LB instincts. If they want him in coverage, he's like a big CB who is always around the ball.

As much as I loathe the Steelers, Polamalu gets a pass concering his injuries. The dude is that good.

I think it would be a mistake and a liability putting Newman at safety. Newman does seem injury prone. And his tackling is questionable at that. Let's not forget that Newman is an aging CB with hands of stone. For those claiming that Newman is a shutdown corner, sorry to break it to you, but he's merely a solid CB that has never lived up to the hype. Time to move on.

 

[casmith07]

Where does the notion that Newman is not a willing tackler come from?

He's one of the best tacklers at his position in the league.

Don't come in here with facts. You'll get laughed out of the thread.

 

[cml750]

Newman would be an upgrade to Ball for sure however I do not think he is the answer to our safety problems. As another poster in this thread pointed out he has always been "adequate" as a CB. He has never been a "special" player. It was a mistake to draft a 25 year old player when we were rebuilding.

 

[Muhast]

I hear what you're saying, but Polamalu is arguably the very best FS in the league. He's more of a hybrid FS. If they want him in run support, Troy has LB instincts. If they want him in coverage, he's like a big CB who is always around the ball.

As much as I loathe the Steelers, Polamalu gets a pass concering his injuries. The dude is that good.

I think it would be a mistake and a liability putting Newman at safety. Newman does seem injury prone. And his tackling is questionable at that. Let's not forget that Newman is an aging CB with hands of stone. For those claiming that Newman is a shutdown corner, sorry to break it to you, but he's merely a solid CB that has never lived up to the hype. Time to move on.

Newman is one of the best tackling CB's in the NFL. Seriously.
And Mr. Hands of stone was tied for 3rd most int's in the NFL for CB's this year.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Newman is one of the best tackling CB's in the NFL. Seriously.
And Mr. Hands of stone was tied for 3rd most int's in the NFL for CB's this year.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.

 

[The Natural]

I hear what you're saying, but Polamalu is arguably the very best SS in the league. He's more of a hybrid SS. If they want him in run support, Troy has LB instincts. If they want him in coverage, he's like a big CB who is always around the ball.

As much as I loathe the Steelers, Polamalu gets a pass concering his injuries. The dude is that good.

I think it would be a mistake and a liability putting Newman at safety. Newman does seem injury prone. And his tackling is questionable at that. Let's not forget that Newman is an aging CB with hands of stone. For those claiming that Newman is a shutdown corner, sorry to break it to you, but he's merely a solid CB that has never lived up to the hype. Time to move on.

Fixed

 

[Swaggstar1]

to be honest i dont think he is physical enough

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Newman is one of the best tackling CB's in the NFL. Seriously.
And Mr. Hands of stone was tied for 3rd most int's in the NFL for CB's this year.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.

IIRC, three of Newmans 5 INTs weren't very impressive. One came on a 3rd down and no timeouts left, desperation pass in the last 30 seconds from the great Rex Grossman. And two came compliments of Kolb and Eagle second and third stringers not even trying to win a meaningless game.

But, like you say: don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.

 

[Muhast]

IIRC, three of Newmans 5 INTs weren't very impressive. One came on a 3rd down and no timeouts left, desperation pass in the last 30 seconds from the great Rex Grossman. And two came compliments of Kolb and Eagle second and third stringers not even trying to win a meaningless game.

But, like you say: don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.

I hope you realize how stupid that argument is.

That's like saying "Yea he scored 15 rushing touchdowns but they were only 1 yard td's so they weren't very impressive"

Or "He had 4 td passes that game but the wr's made great plays on 3 of them".

Im sure if you check out a lot of the guys int's they are give-me's besides a nice play here or there.

 

[Fletch]

Newman is one of the best tackling CB's in the NFL. Seriously.
And Mr. Hands of stone was tied for 3rd most int's in the NFL for CB's this year.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.

Yeah. I'm a ****in idiot when it comes to my team. Newman is pretty much garbage these days unless it's clean up time.... meaning when the game is pretty much over. Don't count on him to make too many clutch INT's when it matters most. Can you say overrated? Probably not.

You say he is one of the better tackling CB's in the league? I will agree to disagree my friend. He's good at tackling when having to run someone down after getting toasted. That's about it. Run support? Average at best.

It's time to move on. We need to get younger. It's not time to pay out millions to a 33 yr old, declining CB. Buh-bye! If he stays... cool. But it better be because he restructured big time.

I've pulled for T-New for years. But he has never lived up to the billing. Never! Lesser CB's have done more.

 

[Fletch]

I hope you realize how stupid that argument is.

That's like saying "Yea he scored 15 rushing touchdowns but they were only 1 yard td's so they weren't very impressive"

Or "He had 4 td passes that game but the wr's made great plays on 3 of them".

Im sure if you check out a lot of the guys int's they are give-me's besides a nice play here or there.

Too bad they don't have a stat for meaningful INT's vs. garbage INT's. If we did, Newman would be very meaningless. But what do we know?

Hate to say it Muhast because you are a very knowledgeable fan. But ninja owned you on Newman's stats for this year.

 

[Muhast]

Too bad they don't have a stat for meaningful INT's vs. garbage INT's. If we did, Newman would be very meaningless. But what do we know?

Hate to say it Muhast because you are a very knowledgeable fan. But ninja owned you on Newman's stats for this year.

He didn't own me at all. He made a stupid point. Nobody disregards forced fumbles just b/c the running back didn't tuck the ball securely. Just like fans know our QB's had balls that bounced right off our wide recievers hands and were intercepted yet in the stat line show up as interceptions.

Whether you call them meaningless or not, he had two interceptions that sealed victories for us. I could care less if the CB made a diving catch or the ball is thrown straight to him, if he makes the play he makes the play.

I doubt you were knocking Larry Brown in SB XXX for his Int's. Why can't fans just be appreciative when our players make plays? You all knock him for not making plays, and then when he does you call them meaningless.

It's gotta be one way or the other, it can't be both.

And the tackling thing.. Newman has had some GREAT open field tackles in the last few years. Two years ago he destroyed Roddy White in a game. He had a great open field tackle on Reggie Bush, he had a great TD saving open field tackle on Lesean McCoy this year as well. Those two weren't plays that he was running anyone down, it was him coming up and making a play. He also had several nice open field tackles on WR screens this year.

If you don't like his contract, I'm right there with you. He needs to restructure it. But come on, he was clearly our best CB last year(not that it was very hard with our CB play) and he is our best tackling DB (Better than Sensabaugh). He may not ever be a 7-10 interception guy but he is a good football player who is a leader on the team whether fans like him or not.

 

[Stautner]

Where does the notion that Newman is not a willing tackler come from?

He's one of the best tacklers at his position in the league.

Newman is one of the best tackling CB's in the NFL. Seriously.
And Mr. Hands of stone was tied for 3rd most int's in the NFL for CB's this year.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.

I still don't understand why people can't see the difference between tackling a WR during or just after a catch as opposed to tackling 235 lb RB's and 265 TE's head on when they have beuilt up a full head of steam. It just aint the same thing folks. Newman does a good job tackling in the open field against WR's, but safety is a different thing. At safety he would have more responsibility for guys who outweigh him by 30-70 pounds amnd will try and steamroll him rather than make a move, and he will have to take them head on. That's the difference in tackling at CB and Safety.

As for his 5 INT's this year, that is not his standard by any means, and in fact is the 1st time he has ever reach 5 INT's. He has never been a big INT guy, and he doesn't break up a particularly large number of passes either. I'm not sure that it is his hands that are the problem though - not really sure anyone is saying that - but he just isn't in position to make a lot of INT's or break up a lot of passes. He's a great athlete with very average instincts.

 

[Dodger]

...he was clearly our best CB last year(not that it was very hard with our CB play) and he is our best tackling DB (Better than Sensabaugh).

Probably true, but I'm not convinced that this means he'd be a good fit at FS (not that that's what you're sayin'...just sayin'...know what I'm sayin?)

 

[Primetime42]

I still don't understand why people can't see the difference between tackling a WR during or just after a catch as opposed to tackling 235 lb RB's and 265 TE's head on when they have beuilt up a full head of steam. It just aint the same thing folks. Newman does a good job tackling in the open field against WR's, but safety is a different thing. At safety he would have more responsibility for guys who outweigh him by 30-70 pounds amnd will try and steamroll him rather than make a move, and he will have to take them head on. That's the difference in tackling at CB and Safety.

As for his 5 INT's this year, that is not his standard by any means, and in fact is the 1st time he has ever reach 5 INT's. He has never been a big INT guy, and he doesn't break up a particularly large number of passes either. I'm not sure that it is his hands that are the problem though - not really sure anyone is saying that - but he just isn't in position to make a lot of INT's or break up a lot of passes. He's a great athlete with very average instincts.

235lb RBs are not going to be the norm, and he's shown plenty of times in the past that he can bring down those big TEs if he has to.

As far as the INTs, yeah, he may not have 5 every year, but he seems to come up with 4 quite a bit. Kill him for that extra one all you want, since it's clear you have some sort of axe to grind here.

I don't even advocate the idea of moving him to FS yet, I still think he's got plenty in the tank to maintain his current position, but I forgot that unless the guy were to average 7 picks a year while never allowing a catch on his side of the field, while delivering hits to Brandon Jacobs-sized players in the style of Roy L Williams circa 2002, he's not worth a damn and should be cut immediately.

Silly me.

He's still the best corner on the team and far from the major issue in the secondary, let alone the defense.

 

[Stautner]

235lb RBs are not going to be the norm, and he's shown plenty of times in the past that he can bring down those big TEs if he has to.

As far as the INTs, yeah, he may not have 5 every year, but he seems to come up with 4 quite a bit. Kill him for that extra one all you want, since it's clear you have some sort of axe to grind here.

I don't even advocate the idea of moving him to FS yet, I still think he's got plenty in the tank to maintain his current position, but I forgot that unless the guy were to average 7 picks a year while never allowing a catch on his side of the field, while delivering hits to Brandon Jacobs-sized players in the style of Roy L Williams circa 2002, he's not worth a damn and should be cut immediately.

Silly me.

He's still the best corner on the team and far from the major issue in the secondary, let alone the defense.

Hey, I dona't care if it's a 235 lb RB or Adrian Peterson at about 217 - many NFL RB's will flat out run over Newman if he has to take them head on.

As for as tackling TE's, yes, he has done that, but at safety he would be playing more in the middle of the field and having to fight through blocks from bigger players, and taking on guys head on, not assisting coming off his other coverage from the open field. He will have to take on RB's and TE's head on with a full head of steam, not hitting them at an angle or chasing guys down. I don't understand in the least how people think that the responsibilities are identical. They simply aren't - CB and safety are a different position. There is a reason Safeties are generally bigger than CB's, just as there is a reason LBers are genearlly bigger than Safeties, and Linemen are bigger than LBers. It's not just a pure fluke. It's related to the physical demands of the position. As always, some guys can play positions well despite being a bit undersized, but it takes someone that has a special ability and attitude - Zack Thomas at MLB, for example.

No matter how yoy slice it, Newman's special ability is speed, which, obviously, can be a benefit at Safety, but the rigors of playing in the middle of the field and being more responsibble for run support and the kind of tough physical play that goes with Safety is different thatn being a good tackler on the outside.

 

[casmith07]

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