Can T-new move to FS, successfully?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:laugh2:

He was listed at 170 when he was a sophomore in college. The guy is a tremendous athlete, but he was always skinny and trying to add muscle... Especially because Parcells was always worried about how small he was.

But if you think a guy who has always been one of the hardest weight room workers on the team can suddenly add 12 more pounds of muscle at age 33, knock yourself out.

Laugh all you want. I would like a link to that. His weight at the combine is documented and linked. He is pretty much the same weight he is now as he was then.

I also pay a lot of attention and do not recall that nonsense about Parcells.

You said that he had to work hard to put on weight since he got here and that has already been proven wrong. i would like some evidence as to anything you claiming being true.

I would also posit that you know little about how weight is gained and lost. Going into the gym is not going to put on muscle weight if you do not have the protein and caloric intake to add mass. Newman is a very diligent individual from what I can tell and I can guarantee you that he is just as diligent in his diet.

He increases his caloric intake and he will put on mass. There has never been any claim that he has had an issue maintaining weight. He has maintained his same weight since he got here despite your baseless assertion.

 

[Jenky]

If they are a top 5 CB in the NFL...you will not be having a discussion about making them anything other than a CB. Nuff said. Top 5:

1. Asomugha, Oakland
2. Revis, NY Jets
3. Woodson, Green Bay
4. Flowers, Kansas City
5. Hall, Washington

WAT?!

 

[respectdatstar]

WAT?!

Maybe I'm thinking of Leon Hall, Cincinnati. Not sure. I need some sleep.

 

[tomson75]

Maybe I'm thinking of Leon Hall, Cincinnati. Not sure. I need some sleep.

If you meant DeAngelo, you may need a MRI.

 

[john van brocklin]

What do you guys think, if he could it would be huge for the team, and would give us one of the better coverage FS's in the NFL, but is he a good enough tackler? Can he line up the DB's? I'd love to keep him on the roster and give him the opportunity, as this draft class in FS is really weak and im not really happy with the idea of bringing in a free agent and having to replace them in 4-5 years.

I say yes, he is big for a corner.

 

[DallasDomination]

Newman would last one game before he got injured. it's time to ship newman out.

 

[Muhast]

Newman would last one game before he got injured. it's time to ship newman out.

Yea b/c it's so easy to replace the best CB on your team, especially when you have no depth behind him. Oh yea, and it will cost more money to cut him than it would to keep him.

Great logic.

Plus this "he gets hurt all the time" argument is extremely weak. He is far from Bob Sanders like Cowboys fans would make you think.

 

[Rack]

Because he's about to make 8 mill and he's not an 8 million dollar corner much less a safety.


+ he's glass.

And now you know one of the reasons I wanted us to draft Suggs.


1) He is a better player.

2) He's only 28 years old.


It makes sense now, huh?

 

[Muhast]

And now you know one of the reasons I wanted us to draft Suggs.


1) He is a better player.

2) He's only 28 years old.


It makes sense now, huh?

Suggs<<<Ware.

If we draft Suggs, who knows if we end up with Ware or not.

 

[Stautner]

I say yes, he is big for a corner.

Newman isn't big, even for a CB. He's very average sized - some are a little smaller, but a lot are bigger, and Newman is actually a little shorter than ideal to deal with tall WR's. He's listed by the team as 5'10", 193 - smaller than Jenkins, same size as Scandrick and McCann give or take a pound or 2, smaller than Ball. As for moving to Safety, all our safeties (except Ball) have 3-4 inches and 15-30 pounds on Newman.

By comparison, the Giants CB's are all 6'0" and range from 184 to 202, and their safeites are all 6'0" to 6'2" and range from 208-215.

Bsides, it's not just about size - it's also about physicality and attitude, and while Newman is a decent open field tackler, he is not a physcial guy who will do a good job taking on big RB's or TE's head on.

 

[Muhast]

Newman isn't big, even for a CB. He's very average sized - some are a little smaller, but a lot are bigger, and Newman is actually a little shorter than ideal to deal with tall WR's. He's listed by the team as 5'10", 193 - smaller than Jenkins, same size as Scandrick and McCann give or take a pound or 2, smaller than Ball. As for moving to Safety, all our safeties (except Ball) have 3-4 inches and 15-30 pounds on Newman.

By comparison, the Giants CB's are all 6'0" and range from 184 to 202, and their safeites are all 6'0" to 6'2" and range from 208-215.

Bsides, it's not just about size - it's also about physicality and attitude, and while Newman is a decent open field tackler, he is not a physcial guy who will do a good job taking on big RB's or TE's head on.

Two players people mention that could benefit from switching to safety:

Antoine Winfield 5'9 180. Very physical.
Champ Bailey 6' 192. great in coverage. Not that physical.

If those two can do it size wise, why couldnt Newman? Newman is a better coverage corner then Winfield and more physical then Bailey.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I would also posit that you know little about how weight is gained and lost. Going into the gym is not going to put on muscle weight if you do not have the protein and caloric intake to add mass. Newman is a very diligent individual from what I can tell and I can guarantee you that he is just as diligent in his diet.

He increases his caloric intake and he will put on mass. There has never been any claim that he has had an issue maintaining weight. He has maintained his same weight since he got here despite your baseless assertion.

Is there anyone on this board more arrogant than you, Fuzzy? Anytime anyone disagrees with you, they are ignorant, uneducated, or not worldly enough.

Why would you posit that I know little about how weight is gained and lost?

Thanks for letting me know that you need protein and a calorie surplus to gain weight, though. I had no idea! :laugh2:

 

[Idgit]

Is there anyone on this board more arrogant than you, Fuzzy? Anytime anyone disagrees with you, they are ignorant, uneducated, or not worldly enough.

Why would you posit that I know little about how weight is gained and lost?

Thanks for letting me know that you need protein and a calorie surplus to gain weight, though. I had no idea! :laugh2:

I'm more arrogant than Fuzzy is. But in a cool way, that makes everyone who's not ******** love me.

 

[Stautner]

Two players people mention that could benefit from switching to safety:

Antoine Winfield 5'9 180. Very physical.
Champ Bailey 6' 192. great in coverage. Not that physical.

If those two can do it size wise, why couldnt Newman? Newman is a better coverage corner then Winfield and more physical then Bailey.

Re-read my post - I didn't say he couldn't do it because of his size, I just disputed that he was a big CB and pointed out he would be an undersized safety. In fact, I further went on to say it isn't just about size and that being able to make the move from CB to safety has a lot to do with attitude and physicality.

As for the difference between Newman and Winfield and Bailey - I don't know Winfield as well, so I don't have a strong opinion on whether it's even fair to say he can do the job at Safety, but like you said, he is very physical, so that's a plus even though his size is a bit of a detriment. As for Bailey, obviously there is a tradeoff in that some physicality would be sacrificed in favor of coverage skills, which you are correct in pointing out is the problem I have with Newman, but Bailey is one of the truly great coverage guys in the last decade or so, and he has about 4-5 times as many Pro-Bowls as Newman, so his coverage skills go a lot further in making up for the lost physicality than with Newman. In other words, if there has to be a trade off, the skill the player has better be great enough to make the tradeoff worthwhile. I'm much less sure of that with Newman than I would be with Bailey.

 

[TwoDeep3]

No, he cannot.

 

[Rack]

No, he cannot.

Exactly. If all he had to do was cover then sure, he can do it. He'd d have to tackle way more often and he'd have to play between the tackles at times. He wouldn't last half a season.

 

[Stautner]

Exactly. If all he had to do was cover then sure, he can do it. He'd d have to tackle way more often and he'd have to play between the tackles at times. He wouldn't last half a season.

Well, he could last longer if he played like Ball and just stayed away from the middle of the field and as far from the line of scrimmage as possible.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Well, he could last longer if he played like Ball and just stayed away from the middle of the field and as far from the line of scrimmage as possible.

Jerry Jones plays closer to the line of scrimmage than Ball.

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Jerry Jones plays closer to the line of scrimmage than Ball.

 

[jobberone]

Newman is pretty physical. He can play safety. The problem I see is his staying healthy enough to play well and stay on the field. I'm not saying he will get hurt but it is an issue of concern.