Can we all agree that Dak is at least a decent QB?

[CowboyoWales]

short run. its painfully obvious that Foles is nothing special. he just had a nice little run, surronded by strong coaching, strong team that made him any good.
you can't mistake a good run surronded by strong team with a top tier QB, which Foles is not.

Again you miss the point....I'm not saying he's anything but average, however, he showed the top level play (over 100 rating in every play-off game). That's what Dak will need to do, keep to that top level performance throughout the play-offs (regardless of what's happening around him).

 

[blueblood70]

Dak was great against Tampa in the playoffs.
But what a stinkeroo against SF. And then even worse against WA to end the season, and Tampa to start it.

The great Tampa game was even at Tampa, while the stinker was at home.

It's not just pressure. It's not even a particular team.

So what's the pattern?

Not surprising that he looks bad in the playoffs. No SB win, and your last game was a loss to a good team. Usually, a QB will look bad in that situation.

But it was just weird how up and down he was to end the season this year. The bad games weren't even in the ballpark of decent. They were *bad*. That's the kind of bad a team can't overcome.

Pttern

the OL gets beat up by a better defense and DL
No run game
penalties
no run game
OL cant pass protect or open holes
Penalties
No run game.
OC not respecting the run game calls 16 doesn't use malik.
OL cant block or open holes against best Dls
No run game.

thats the pattern forcing and or expecting a QB to overcome a huge part of a teams deficiency's by himself. you can not play one dimensional football in the playoffs

event eh chifs falling behind and looking like they could lose to the eagles found way to run the dang ball and take away the eagles run game.. the eagles became pass happy , the chiefs became physical and ran rth ball =WIN!
did troy ever have to win game in the playoffs with a RUN game or the OL struggling? or have to overcome 14 penalties or overcome defense giving up 300yards rushing? or have OC call only 16 runs..

you all that blind to see 3 of the playoff losses all had NO RUN GAE AT ALL, OL wasn't good, they rarely could block and weren't opening holes or worse coming 11 penalties./.

how about Schultz 2 mental mistakes on the last drive or Diggs not elevating his game , Gallup being out hustled for the pick??yes all that led to loss, not back qb play..

right , blame the QB!! why because he the most paid biggest contract an is supposed to be able to overcome all that Ive never seen game with Dak that when he had run game even a respectable one, and the oc stick to the run and the OL did decent job he losses a game.

So we all know hes not top 5 not Elite not special BUT most do know he above averge.. not many qbs that are top 5 in wins and has td-int rtaio and been th thepayoffs 4 out of 6 seaosn hes ben healthy are that croiticzed..its the fanbase..blae romo and dak vs break down the gaes and see many fatcors in thse close one score losses. thers fine line to a win or loss agajnth eual teams.. we as team are simply not making enough pays that flkip the loss to a win.

 

[nate dizzle]

Sure, he's decent. Can we all agree that decent QB's need lightning in a bottle or a superstar team around them to have a chance of winning or even reaching a SB?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

What?

He was SB MVP in his third year, after leading the team to the playoffs in his first and second years as a starter.

I'm not saying Eli was all that and a bag of chips, but to say "nobody expected anything" from him is just...... ridiculous.

Nobody expected him to live up to his draft status. He had a great SB run. Nobody said Eli would have more rings than Peyton at any point in his career.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Again you miss the point....I'm not saying he's anything but average, however, he showed the top level play (over 100 rating in every play-off game). That's what Dak will need to do, keep to that top level performance throughout the play-offs (regardless of what's happening around him).

I am not disagreeing, but like I said and you missed the point, you need to have the right team around them to do that. Foles did it, not because of Foles (we already agree on that), but because of talent that surronded him. as well as the rest of the team (i.e. defense). Philly had a top 5 defense and #1 against the rush when they won it with foles. they were I believe 11-2 before Wentz got hurt, so they were already a good team.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I am not disagreeing, but like I said and you missed the point, you need to have the right team around them to do that. Foles did it, not because of Foles (we already agree on that), but because of talent that surronded him. as well as the rest of the team (i.e. defense). Philly had a top 5 defense and #1 against the rush when they won it with foles. they were I believe 11-2 before Wentz got hurt, so they were already a good team.

Foles did it period. None of the incessant excuses, he did it and his rating showed he stepped up.

 

[kskboys]

I am not disagreeing, but like I said and you missed the point, you need to have the right team around them to do that. Foles did it, not because of Foles (we already agree on that), but because of talent that surronded him. as well as the rest of the team (i.e. defense). Philly had a top 5 defense and #1 against the rush when they won it with foles. they were I believe 11-2 before Wentz got hurt, so they were already a good team.

Foles also got very lucky that it was the Patriots in the super bowl that year, as it was one of the very few years that their D sucked. 29th.

And also a great example of why yards matter when evaluating a D. Pats were 5th in points allowed. Here's what happens. Pats D giving up a ton of yards suddenly mattered vs a playoff team when those yards turned into points.

 

[kskboys]

Foles did it period. None of the incessant excuses, he did it and his rating showed he stepped up.

If Foles would've had to face Jax, who got screwed out of that super bowl in the champ game, he would've curled up into a little ball and cried.

 

[CowboyoWales]

If Foles would've had to face Jax, who got screwed out of that super bowl in the champ game, he would've curled up into a little ball and cried.

Who else did they face in the play-offs mmmm

 

[5Stars]

No one expected anything from Eli either. He ended up having a good career but nobody thought one ring let alone two. His teams would have to go on steaks just to barely sneak into the playoffs.

And baked potatoes...

 

[kskboys]

Who else did they face in the play-offs mmmm

ATL and MINNY.

Foles was very mediocreish against ATL as his D took over. 15-10.
Foles was then fine vs MINNY as his D was completely dominating, 38-7.

I'm not understanding the point of your question, though.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I thought Eli had talent from the beginning. Not elite, but good talent. He was certainly overshadowed by his brother, that didn't help.

I thought he’d be better than what he was. Never thought he’d be Eli but I thought he’d be a perennial top 5 guy and I just never saw it.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Foles did it period. None of the incessant excuses, he did it and his rating showed he stepped up.

then you are again focusing on something for the purpose of pointing fingers?

how did foles did it? why wasn't he able to do it before when he was given the starting position on the same team? end results matter. but how did you get to the end results is important to know. its not an accident.

these are not excuses, but questions to ask and get answers too. otherwise do you think you could have thrown Foles onto the Jets and get similar results?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Sure, he's decent. Can we all agree that decent QB's need lightning in a bottle or a superstar team around them to have a chance of winning or even reaching a SB?

no. the right team. not super stars. Foles did it. Goff did it. Grapolo did it. they weren't full of super stars. they were build the right way. we are not.

for example, all Jones has done is get lucky on Parsons, as they were targetting CBs in that draft and in fact they were so sold on Parsons, they traded down. else if they knew Parsons was all that why take a chance, you go grab the guy and not take a chance. you trade up in fact.

and since then, they are running parsons to the ground, playing him at DE where he never played before. they kind of got lucky on Diggs. but they haven't spent on fortifying the DL, the rest of LB group (going cheap with LVE) and not going into FA and adding more pieces to build a dominant defense. a defense that's good enough, but often by end of the year they are gassed and figured out.

you need to build the right team. not a team of superstars.

 

[Vtwin]

Nobody expected him to live up to his draft status. He had a great SB run. Nobody said Eli would have more rings than Peyton at any point in his career.

Lol
That's quite a walk back from "nobody expected much" to "nobody expected he would have more rings than Peyton".

There hasn't been a #1 overall drafted QB that didn't come in with high expectations. High expectations is literally why he was drafted first overall by one team and why another team gave up a ton to trade for him.

Saying not much was expected is a huge reach, even for you.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Nick Foles has thrown 6 interceptions and Eli threw….safe to say they’ve thrown some picks….

fair enough. In one game? Bad timing?

I think turnovers are not all created equal. But we'll abuse stats when it serves us.

But your point is taken. Playes have turnovers and miscues. It happens.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

You don’t sadly have to agree you consistently have been going at Rockport for years to the point you got upset at posters who wouldn’t do it.

"me going at rockport for years".

As if rockport doesn't come at other people. Dude.....please. Just stop that. VERY stupid take. You know full well he goes after people. You are practically lying about it now.

And yes...I do sadly agree. It's sad we got bullies.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

You get what you dish. You can’t get upset that people attack you the way they want. That’s social media for you.

Take your own advice. YOU...also get what YOU dish. A real man would admit it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Lol
That's quite a walk back from "nobody expected much" to "nobody expected he would have more rings than Peyton".

There hasn't been a #1 overall drafted QB that didn't come in with high expectations. High expectations is literally why he was drafted first overall by one team and why another team gave up a ton to trade for him.

Saying not much was expected is a huge reach, even for you.

Maybe I’m having revisionist history. I for sure didn’t think he’d live up to his draft status.

Actually I’m wrong on him people were high on him coming into the league. I guess I’m speaking more so the championship years. Nobody predicted Eli would be a SB champion the years he won because he wasn’t playing particularly great.

 

[Mr_437]

No. We don't agree on much of anything on this site.