Can we all agree that Dak is at least a decent QB?

[TheMarathonContinues]

I sadly have to agree. That man claims his vet card....yet runs around bullying everyone. I want to give him a big hug, my sincere and deepthanks for his service...and one more hug for good measure. He's devoid of hugs.

You don’t sadly have to agree you consistently have been going at Rockport for years to the point you got upset at posters who wouldn’t do it.

 

[Rockport]

Delusion in full effect………they really shouldn’t let everybody vote

I agree. 2016.

 

[buybuydandavis]

The Dak haters and Dak stans have their talking points, but what it seems to boil down too is this: Dak is an excellent regular season QB that simply fails in the playoffs. Nothing more, nothing less. It is his track record. Not winning enough in the playoff’s doesn’t mean he sucks. It means that he isn’t good enough when the stakes at highest. He is our Kirk Cousins.

Although I have supported Dak in the past, perhaps it’s time to move away from “good but not good enough.” But in reality, I see no options for this year other than stay the course and hope. I‘d like to see us draft a QB next year.

Dak was great against Tampa in the playoffs.
But what a stinkeroo against SF. And then even worse against WA to end the season, and Tampa to start it.

The great Tampa game was even at Tampa, while the stinker was at home.

It's not just pressure. It's not even a particular team.

So what's the pattern?

Not surprising that he looks bad in the playoffs. No SB win, and your last game was a loss to a good team. Usually, a QB will look bad in that situation.

But it was just weird how up and down he was to end the season this year. The bad games weren't even in the ballpark of decent. They were *bad*. That's the kind of bad a team can't overcome.

 

[Cowboys5217]

was trent dilfer a superbowl calibur QB?
was Goff a superbowl calibur QB, and who are the HOF caliber offensive players he was surronded with?
Was grapolo a superbowl calibur QB? and who are the HOF caliber offensive players he was surronded with?
Was Nickfoles a superbowl Calibur QB? and who are the HOF caliber offensive players he was surronded with

there is more if you want me to list it.

based on your statement, if you are not elite then you are surely not going to play in superbowl unless you are surronded by HOF caliber players...and if that's the case, then these other teams did it, with less than elite QBs. so its feasible.....its been done.

your premise falls apart....very quickly

Once again you cannot plan on being the outlier. To have your best chance you need a top tier QB.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Rocky is just a bitter low self esteem person mad at anyone that does not worship the QB (forgot his name). You can try and be nice to him but to no avail because that is in his nature to be grumpy all the time. I feel sorry for him and wish he could or would get some professional help.

It isn't professional help he needs. He needs to come and get in the ring with some of us to teach him some respect.

 

[noshame]

Dak was fantastic in the right system in 2016
Ever since they've moved him into the pocket his flaws have been discovered
I no longer feel he's NFL material, and it's going to kill this team
He's had a cakewalk through the NFCE for 2 seasons but that's over
So decent? Not anymore.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Nick Foles has thrown 6 interceptions and Eli threw….safe to say they’ve thrown some picks….

To be fair, no one expected much from Nick Foles. Eli is a different story.

 

[GINeric]

Yep. He's a mid tier QB and that is very rarely good enough to win a SB. You can't plan on the outlier. To realistically have a shot at a SB win you need a top tier QB. That is just the way the game is right now.

I have to respectfully disagree. Here's why.... Nick Foles, Trent Dilpher and Mark Rypien all have the same amount of Superbowl rings as a man who's considered to be the second best quarterback of all time.... Aaron Rodgers.

According to many, elite/top tier quarterbacks should be able to lead their teams to more than one Superbowl victory, correct??

Well here's my point. Having a top tier quarterback doesn't guarantee you Superbowl success. History has proven that with Dan Marino, Jim Kelly and many other top tier quarterbacks who've never won a Superbowl, while at the same time, there are quarterbacks who weren't top tier and won a Superbowl.

It's definitely great to have a top tier quarterback, but unless you have top tier coaching and management, you won't win anything of significance. Too much emphasis is placed on finding an "elite" quarterback. That doesn't guarantee success because he's only one of 53 players responsible for what happens in a team game.

This isn't tennis, golf or boxing.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Once again you cannot plan on being the outlier. To have your best chance you need a top tier QB.

you need a good QB. not a top tier.....that was the point. does having a top tier QB help? yes. is it easier path? yes. but find me a top tier QB. 4 out of 5 first round picks fail. and in the past 10 years 2 elite QBs and one on the fringe (Allen) have been selected in the first round out of 30 1st round QBs. perhaps 2 more are top tier.

if the only chance any team has of superbowl is with an elite or top tier QB, then only 3 or 4 teams a decade go to superbowl. the other 27 should just pack their bags in.

its about building the right team.

 

[CowboyoWales]

you need a good QB. not a top tier.....that was the point. does having a top tier QB help? yes. is it easier path? yes. but find me a top tier QB. 4 out of 5 first round picks fail. and in the past 10 years 2 elite QBs and one on the fringe (Allen) have been selected in the first round out of 30 1st round QBs. perhaps 2 more are top tier.

if the only chance any team has of superbowl is with an elite or top tier QB, then only 3 or 4 teams a decade go to superbowl. the other 27 should just pack their bags in.

its about building the right team.

Yes, but you still need the QB (of whatever to standard) to have an excellent play-off run ....unless you're built on a supreme Defense or Running game.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

I think Dak is a serviceable QB. I just think he is consistently inconsistent and has a propensity to make mistakes at crucial points in the game. Dak needs a strong supporting cast playing well to be successful; when the RBs cannot run the ball and the WRs can’t win their match-ups…well, Dak struggles. Dak is unable to put the team on his back…unlike Mahomes, Burrow and Allen.
I think he is playing under the pressure of his contract; I am sure he hears his detractors and is trying to prove he is worth his contract. Jerry did Dak no favors by paying him like an elite QB, which he clearly is not, but that is how the FO sees him. If Jerry paid Dake $20MM per year, would we fans even be talking about him?

A Bus Driver. A backup if you will. Can win you games during the regular season. But when it matters most, don't count on him.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

To be fair, no one expected much from Nick Foles. Eli is a different story.

No one expected anything from Eli either. He ended up having a good career but nobody thought one ring let alone two. His teams would have to go on steaks just to barely sneak into the playoffs.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

A Bus Driver. A backup if you will. Can win you games during the regular season. But when it matters most, don't count on him.

How is he a backup lol? Cooped Rush is a backup. What are you guys watching or is it tough for you to gauge the position? I’m honestly asking.

 

[Vtwin]

No one expected anything from Eli either. He ended up having a good career but nobody thought one ring let alone two. His teams would have to go on steaks just to barely sneak into the playoffs.

Nobody expected anything from the #1 pick?

A bold take.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yes, but you still need the QB (of whatever to standard) to have an excellent play-off run ....unless you're built on a supreme Defense or Running game.

which has been done. as I think we both agree, better QB play helps. but its not the only pre-requisite to having a great team.

 

[CowboyoWales]

which has been done. as I think we both agree, better QB play helps. but its not the only pre-requisite to having a great team.

Agree, but go look at Foles stats in 2017 play-offs, they were top draw.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Nobody expected anything from the #1 pick?

A bold take.

He was the number one pick but by year 3 or 4 it was evident he’d never live up to that status. But he has two rings so it was worth the trade up.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Agree, but go look at Foles stats in 2017 play-offs, they were top draw.

short run. its painfully obvious that Foles is nothing special. he just had a nice little run, surronded by strong coaching, strong team that made him any good.
you can't mistake a good run surronded by strong team with a top tier QB, which Foles is not.

 

[Vtwin]

He was the number one pick but by year 3 or 4 it was evident he’d never live up to that status. But he has two rings so it was worth the trade up.

What?

He was SB MVP in his third year, after leading the team to the playoffs in his first and second years as a starter.

I'm not saying Eli was all that and a bag of chips, but to say "nobody expected anything" from him is just...... ridiculous.

 

[StarOfGlory]

No one expected anything from Eli either. He ended up having a good career but nobody thought one ring let alone two. His teams would have to go on steaks just to barely sneak into the playoffs.

I thought Eli had talent from the beginning. Not elite, but good talent. He was certainly overshadowed by his brother, that didn't help.