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dbair1967;3215540 said:
But Jerry looked in the mirror and made the change he needed to, and hired Parcells and let him make the decisions. He deserves credit for that.

Absolutely, 100%.

My point is that Jerry was floundering and brought in Bill to right the ship.

Bill laid the foundation, and to his credit Wade has taken that and gone to the next level.

But to dismiss what Parcells means to where we are tonight is myopic.
 

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Jerry deserves credit. He deserves credit for bringing in Jimmy Johnson. He deserves credit for poor drafts afterwards. He deserves credit for bad head coaching hires, i.e. Campo. He deserves credit for bringing in Bill Parcells. He deserves credit for being a vital part in the drafts that Bill Parcells was here. He deserves credit for bringing in Terrell Owens. He deserves credit for hiring Wade Phillips. He deserves credit for getting rid of Terrell Owens. He deserves credit for everything that has happened to the Dallas Cowboys since he bought them. This is his team. He is the owner AND general manager. Has me made some mistakes? Yes. But who hasn't. I'm sure Bill Parcells has a 100% hit rate with his picks. Skyler Green, there's a future hall of famer. Jerry has made some great decisions too. I'm guessing that those of you who think you can't learn from mistakes keep touching the hot stove to see if it burns. Doug Gottlieb said it best on the Scott Van Pelt radio show earlier this week. Jerry is a gambler, but he takes educated, researched gambles. Give him the credit he deserves.

Bill may have bought some of the groceries, but Jerry got some of his own ingredients, and found the right chef to cook up a playoff victory.
 

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I've been down on Jerry as much or moreso than anyone here but I give him mega kudos for listening to whomever got in his head last offseason and convinced him to release TO & co as well as the myriad of other changes and for seeing the value in the continuity of keeping Wade and the other coaches.

I'm so thrilled he was rewarded for this because maybe he'll have the courage to not swing for the fences with blockbuster trades and risky free acquisitions and continue to build a team first mentality, build through the draft, empower coaches, etc, etc.

If Jerry has finally figured it out then we will be the luckiest fans on the planet.
 

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iceberg;3214471 said:
bullcrap.

parcells missed as much as he hit. he did turn the boat around but his being here was a jones pick.

wade being here was a jones pick.

who won a playoff game in their 3 years here?
Pure unmitigated ownage.
 

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wileedog;3215416 said:
If Jerry is left on his own after 3 years of Campo do you really think we are where we are today?

Bill re-built the foundation of what was a terrible football organization. Jerry is reaping the benefits today.
Parcells definitely changed the culture at Valley Ranch. I'll give him that much, but his tenure with the Cowboys was a failure and he quit. He weasled an extra million out of Jerry, then he quit in the following offseason. I'm still a little bitter toward him to be honest. I do recognize and appreciate what he did for the Cowboys. I just don't think his contribution was as great as some people make it out to be.
 

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Boyzmamacita;3215645 said:
Parcells definitely changed the culture at Valley Ranch. I'll give him that much, but his tenure with the Cowboys was a failure and he quit. He weasled an extra million out of Jerry, then he quit in the following offseason. I'm still a little bitter toward him to be honest. I do recognize and appreciate what he did for the Cowboys. I just don't think his contribution was as great as some people make it out to be.

was in some way parcells a part of tonights win?

sure.

but so was jones. so was wade and so was every mutha in the cowboys nation tonight.
 

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iceberg;3215658 said:
was in some way parcells a part of tonights win?

sure.

but so was jones. so was wade and so was every mutha in the cowboys nation tonight.

No doubt. None at all.
 

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elcocinero;3214398 said:
With an assist from Bill Parcells.

true to an extent. i think bill helped jerruh with the nauances of what kind of players to look for in the draft.
 

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wileedog;3215735 said:
No doubt. None at all.

all i'm saying is stop crediting the piece.

the team won today and if you wanna get right down to it, landry and pops helped too.

i don't wanna figure it out tonight, just appreciate it.
 

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Gee. All these pro jerry responses.


It only took 13 years. That's ALL on jerry. He'll tell ya as much. NOTHING gets approved without HIS final say. Hmmm? I don't know who else to point the finger at.

I'm as estatic as the next playoff starved fan. Numb actually, after such a long drought. But I also realize that this drought falls directly in the lap of jerry jones. We stood shoulder to shoulder with the likes of the Lions and the Chiefs in the absentee ballot of victory circle. To deny that and pull the 'look what we have now' card is utterly just as absurd as a 13 year playoff drought.
 

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I don't know why it's so taboo to say, but we're one of the best-run organizations in football right now. Whoever helped Jerry nudge T.O. out of town started the process. His departure and overall improved focus on chemistry and continuity has allowed for this team to rise to a whole new level.

Jenkins, Spencer, Austin, Romo, Witten, Ware, Ratliff ... holy cow look at some of the players we have brought up through our system.
 

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I'm thrilled with the playoff win and Jerry has made some good decisions lately (and bad trading a 1st and 3rd for RW).

All I'm saying is that if Jerry the owner and Jerry the GM weren't the same person Jerry the owner would have fired him a long time ago. Hell, he fired Chan after going to the playoffs two years in a row.
 

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dbair1967;3215381 said:
At some point, people have to start agreeing that whoever is helping with our drafting and free agent decisions, is doing one helluva job.

Its easy to criticize Jerry for some things back in the 90's. But this isnt the 90's anymore. He definitely made changes after the Dave Campo debacle, and we're a better team today because of it.
good point.
 

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iceberg;3214471 said:
bullcrap.

parcells missed as much as he hit. he did turn the boat around but his being here was a jones pick.

wade being here was a jones pick.

who won a playoff game in their 3 years here?

And where we would the Boys be with out that? We have over a decade of proof.
 

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Boyzmamacita;3215645 said:
Parcells definitely changed the culture at Valley Ranch. I'll give him that much, but his tenure with the Cowboys was a failure and he quit. He weasled an extra million out of Jerry, then he quit in the following offseason. I'm still a little bitter toward him to be honest. I do recognize and appreciate what he did for the Cowboys. I just don't think his contribution was as great as some people make it out to be.

Was it a failure? Care to tell me how many QBs were actually groomed between Jimmy and Parcells?

I can tell you, ONE. He won a playoff game last night. Care to argue that little fact? I wonder how many more Carters, Hutchinson or Hensons we would have been through with out Parcells.

Any coach that wasn't desperate would have quit. owens, tank and Rain man
would have been enough to drive any one with sense out of here.

Parcells worked very hard to bring change to this organization. Jones worked very hard to get back to where we were in short order. I'm really happy that Stephen was able to reel daddy in. Because if any thing he more than likely had more to do with this recent turn around than Jerry did.

I'm finally giving Phillips some credit. Brooking was an excellent addition to this team, not just the defense. I doubt Jerry went to Phillips about signing Brooking. To me it's still not mission accomplished, not until we have six rings.
 

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Seven;3215910 said:
Gee. All these pro jerry responses.


It only took 13 years. That's ALL on jerry. He'll tell ya as much. NOTHING gets approved without HIS final say. Hmmm? I don't know who else to point the finger at.

I'm as estatic as the next playoff starved fan. Numb actually, after such a long drought. But I also realize that this drought falls directly in the lap of jerry jones. We stood shoulder to shoulder with the likes of the Lions and the Chiefs in the absentee ballot of victory circle. To deny that and pull the 'look what we have now' card is utterly just as absurd as a 13 year playoff drought.

It is not so easy and it takes time to rebuild and get back to an elite level particularly in the age of free agency and salary cap. Jerry indicated his key shortcoming was contributing to the coaching carousel.

I think there a good number of owners and GMs who have made mistakes over a 20 year span.
 

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Don't forget when judging Jerry Jones' and the difficult time after the 3rd superbowl win that the Cowboys were in serious cap hell. Aikman's salary was killing the team. Emmitt's salary was hurting, also. During that time, the cap was pretty low. And the injuries piled up. Haley, Kevin Smith, Novacek, and Irving all had their careers unexpectedly cut short due to injury.

Jerry Jones was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Both Aikman and Emmitt "had" to be paid. I don't think any GM would have cut them even though their play decreased as much as their pay increased during the last few years. Success comes with a hefty price even years later.

Now the cap is pretty high and no team is in salary cap hell.
 

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Dave_in-NC;3216426 said:
And where we would the Boys be with out that? We have over a decade of proof.

dunno, dave. but again, i give parcells full credit for that but *this* is not a parcells team 3 years later.

this is wades team. this is jones team.

this is our team.
 

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Dave_in-NC;3216465 said:
Was it a failure? Care to tell me how many QBs were actually groomed between Jimmy and Parcells?

I can tell you, ONE. He won a playoff game last night. Care to argue that little fact? I wonder how many more Carters, Hutchinson or Hensons we would have been through with out Parcells.

Any coach that wasn't desperate would have quit. owens, tank and Rain man
would have been enough to drive any one with sense out of here.

Parcells worked very hard to bring change to this organization. Jones worked very hard to get back to where we were in short order. I'm really happy that Stephen was able to reel daddy in. Because if any thing he more than likely had more to do with this recent turn around than Jerry did.

I'm finally giving Phillips some credit. Brooking was an excellent addition to this team, not just the defense. I doubt Jerry went to Phillips about signing Brooking. To me it's still not mission accomplished, not until we have six rings.


Great post.
Everyone seems to forget Stephen's the little bird in that ego-maniac's ear. Thank god.
 

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Dave_in-NC;3216465 said:
Was it a failure? Care to tell me how many QBs were actually groomed between Jimmy and Parcells?

I can tell you, ONE. He won a playoff game last night. Care to argue that little fact? I wonder how many more Carters, Hutchinson or Hensons we would have been through with out Parcells.

Any coach that wasn't desperate would have quit. owens, tank and Rain man
would have been enough to drive any one with sense out of here.

Parcells worked very hard to bring change to this organization. Jones worked very hard to get back to where we were in short order. I'm really happy that Stephen was able to reel daddy in. Because if any thing he more than likely had more to do with this recent turn around than Jerry did.

I'm finally giving Phillips some credit. Brooking was an excellent addition to this team, not just the defense. I doubt Jerry went to Phillips about signing Brooking. To me it's still not mission accomplished, not until we have six rings.

so jerry jones has done nothing to help the team and we won in spite of him?
 
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