Can we really go into the season with two change of pace backs as our top two runningbacks

[BlindFaith]

I sort of agree....Pollard has zero issues running between the tackles, but last year when he got goal line opportunities over Zeke it wasn't pretty. He got stuffed often. Maybe that had more to do with the Oline than the back, without pulling up the tape and really breaking it down I can't say for sure, but it seemed to be a pretty consistent issue for Pollard. Plus I wouldn't hate limiting Pollards touches and having that short yardage specialist to make sure Pollard is close to 100% come December.

I don't recall Pollard having glaring issues in short yardage. Zeke just got the bulk of the tries.
That is a legit question. Can Pollard handle the load for a full season. Im sure he wants to play as much as he can. He will be looking to get paid next year. And it probably won't be by us. So we should work him as much as possible.
Next year we will draft our new lead RB.
Dowdle and Davis can be fine backups and core special teamers, they have good size, but neither have that breakaway speed.

 

[TwoDeep3]

True....I'd say this is less crucial of an item to worry about though. You can typically find a stop gap short yardage back anytime of the year.

So defensive coordinators will not see that Dallas struggles with moving the chains in short yardage situations and move their pieces to stifle getting outside while beating the weakest link on the Dallas line to stop progress? As it stands, this team is relying on a less than 100% Steele, and Tyron, who hasn't played a full season of games since 2015, per his stats.

 

[conner01]

I don’t think you need a 25 carry guy in todays game. Get pollard about 15 a game and spread the others around. Use them also in the passing game
The idea short yardage requires a big back is not really true. As in all running plays it’s mostly about the oline. If they don’t block you don’t get yards. It’s also about running smart more than power. Zeke wasn’t as much about running over guys as splitting them, turning at the right time to get extra yardage. It’s about being smart more than just power

 

[conner01]

I don't recall Pollard having glaring issues in short yardage. Zeke just got the bulk of the tries.
That is a legit question. Can Pollard handle the load for a full season. Im sure he wants to play as much as he can. He will be looking to get paid next year. And it probably won't be by us. So we should work him as much as possible.
Next year we will draft our new lead RB.
Dowdle and Davis can be fine backups and core special teamers, they have good size, but neither have that breakaway speed.

Just use Duece
They can’t find him to know which hole to coverup lol

 

[TequilaCowboy]

We need a grinder to get the tough yards and goalline carries. I love Duece and Pollard but they are smaller backs. Can we give Luepke some more opportunities to see what we have

You don't need a grinder....what you need is an OL to open up small enough gaps for backs that are quick, explosive and elusive to get through or bounce outside....like Pollard or Deuce. Both can run inside the tackles. Also need to be more creative in play calling on short yardage or goal line and not just try to ram it into a pile up in the middle of the field. Luepke seems to be more of a Moose type of back to me, it is early but we shall see.

Pollard and Deuce are not grinders, they are game breakers....even better. Keep the overpaid grinder in Cabo.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

I love conversing with fans who are watching pro football for the first time.

Please tell me grinder who gets you 3 yards the Chiefs and Eagles had last year.

I love conversing with fans who stopped watching pro football in 1994.

 

[Teague31]

Unleash the Hunter

 

[TwoDeep3]

Please tell me grinder who gets you 3 yards the Chiefs and Eagles had last year.

I love conversing with fans who stopped watching pro football in 1994.

Oh, now all teams are exactly the same. I see the Eagles with this scrum maneuver and the league actually discussed making it illegal. The league are idiots at times, and this was one of those moments when they made the wrong decision.
But this is more than just a big running back. It is also the offensive line that has been on a downward trajectory for a few years. And this point is applicable since this team made decisions in the off season which adversely effect specific areas of the offense. The Eagles had one of the best offensive lines in the game last year. The Chiefs were not far behind. And both of those franchises are way ahead of this make shift line of Dallas.

 

[BlindFaith]

I don’t think you need a 25 carry guy in todays game. Get pollard about 15 a game and spread the others around. Use them also in the passing game
The idea short yardage requires a big back is not really true. As in all running plays it’s mostly about the oline. If they don’t block you don’t get yards. It’s also about running smart more than power. Zeke wasn’t as much about running over guys as splitting them, turning at the right time to get extra yardage. It’s about being smart more than just power

Heres the rub. You want to play your best players. Those players are your highest paid players. The more you sit them, the more the backups play. And if, lets take our situation, you pay Pollard 10+ mil a year, then we pay our backups peanuts. RJ was penciled in as RB2 and he signed for only a mil.
Flip side is you dont pay 1 guy 10mil. You have two guys each at 5mil. But now you dont have that true, elite type back.
Theres a reason why Robinson and Gibbs went in the first.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Oh, now all teams are exactly the same. I see the Eagles with this scrum maneuver and the league actually discussed making it illegal. The league are idiots at times, and this was one of those moments when they made the wrong decision.
But this is more than just a big running back. It is also the offensive line that has been on a downward trajectory for a few years. And this point is applicable since this team made decisions in the off season which adversely effect specific areas of the offense. The Eagles had one of the best offensive lines in the game last year. The Chiefs were not far behind. And both of those franchises are way ahead of this make shift line of Dallas.

So do they have them? No.

Therefore you don't need them.

 

[KJJ]

Dowdle is 218. Pollard is 218. They are the exact same size. Not sure why everybody thinks Pollard is small. Hes probably right up there size wise with other starting backs across the league.

Pollard is listed at 209, unless he’s put on weight this offseason, which may not be good.

 

[doomsday9084]

I'm still looking for all of the teams that have this SYB specialist. Regardless:

Bills: 203lb 5'7" singletary and 5'9" 190lb cook
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2022.htm

Chiefs: 5'10" 216lb Pacheco and 201lb McKinnon
49ers: 205lb McCaffrey and 183lb wilson
Philly: 203lb Scott and 210lb Sanders

I could go on. Basically most good teams have two speed guys. Having 180lb Vaughn and 210lb Pollard is more the rule than the exception. The number of teams who have a 230lb bruiser as one of their two top rushers is really small actually.

 

[Hawkeye19]

I'd go with the tush push at the goal line over handing it to any back.

This is a good idea. We have the size at QB to make it work well. The league doesn’t know how to stop it yet— so copycat away.

Give the Iggs some of their own medicine lol

 

[TwoDeep3]

So do they have them? No.

Therefore you don't need them.

Does Dallas have Hurts and Mahomes? See, this game you are suggesting we play is endless because those teams are \not in the situation Dallas is. They have top flight lines. Dallas is playing with one wounded tackle that is in the first year back from a serious injury. And a player who was once one of the greatest tackles but has not finished a season playing in all the games since 2015.

So hold on to your belief Dallas is like those teams, thus not needing a bull dozer back to move the chains.

 

[BlindFaith]

There is no chance Duece is practice squad he would get snipes in 5 minutes.

Give me one team that adds Duece to their 53.
Roughly 12 teams drafted RBs prior to us picking Duece. If any of them wanted him, they could have picked him.
Go look at the rb depth charts for all teams. I have. Duece doesnt make the 53 for any of them.

 

[BlindFaith]

Pollard is listed at 209, unless he’s put on weight this offseason, which may not be good.

He was 215 last year. 218 this year.
Weight listings are notoriously off/out dated.

Turpin said last year that he was getting back up to 175. He was light when he first joined us. But was getting his weight back. My guess is that hes right around 175 now. They still have him listed at 153. Thats just not close to correct.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Does Dallas have Hurts and Mahomes? See, this game you are suggesting we play is endless because those teams are \not in the situation Dallas is. They have top flight lines. Dallas is playing with one wounded tackle that is in the first year back from a serious injury. And a player who was once one of the greatest tackles but has not finished a season playing in all the games since 2015.

So hold on to your belief Dallas is like those teams, thus not needing a bull dozer back to move the chains.

Do they have them? No.

Therefore, you don't need them.

 

[Big_D]

Zeke won't be back, that would be moronic!

 

[KJJ]

Zeke won't be back, that would be moronic!

Would rather have him than Malik Davis and Rico Dowdle. It’s not like either one of them lit it up the other day.

 

[BlindFaith]

I'm still looking for all of the teams that have this SYB specialist. Regardless:

Bills: 203lb 5'7" singletary and 5'9" 190lb cook
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2022.htm

Chiefs: 5'10" 216lb Pacheco and 201lb McKinnon
49ers: 205lb McCaffrey and 183lb wilson
Philly: 203lb Scott and 210lb Sanders

I could go on. Basically most good teams have two speed guys. Having 180lb Vaughn and 210lb Pollard is more the rule than the exception. The number of teams who have a 230lb bruiser as one of their two top rushers is really small actually.

More like having a 218lb Pollard and a 218lb Dowdle.
Vaughn is closer to 175 than 180.