Can't wait to pay Zeke

[Alexander]

To be faaaaiiiirrr....


Gurley did post 1300 yards and 17 TDS his first season after signing the new deal. While battling injuries.

Using Gurley as a cautionary tale about Elliott is idiotic.

There is no way the Rams win like they did with some lump like Anderson as a sixteen game starter.

Anderson killed our defense mainly because we had a weak gameplan and some personnel issues.

Gurley got them where they ended up.

 

[Tussinman]

I know how math works. Being a condescending douchebag doesn’t strengthen your argument.

Was going to contribute to this thread but with TC's attitude I think I'll pass (don't really know what his problem is)

 

[Nightman]

And that's before you remember that we can/have/will again run effectively without Zeke

Who is that?

And please don't insult us and say AMorris or DMC..... that would be a joke post

 

[Nightman]

You’re right that they’ve included his $5M salary for 2019 in the dead money.

But it doesn’t change the analysis directionally. If he’s on the roster March 15 his cap hit will be $9.2M (comprised of the $5M base + $4.2 of prorated signing bonus) If he’s cut today they won’t incur that cap hit but the full remaining 4 years of prorated signing bonus, or $16.8M, accelerates onto the cap.

So cutting him today would result in a net cap loss of $7.6M (16.8 - 9.2) They can designate him a June 1 cut, such that $8.4M (half of the remaining prorated signing bonus of $16.8M) accelerates onto the cap this year and another $8.4M accelerates onto the cap next year.

That means they would have a cap savings this year of $0.8M ($8.4M against the cap as opposed to $9.2M if he were kept) but a net cap loss next year of $8.4M. Combined the net cap loss over the two years is still $7.6M. It’s just spread out differently.

The cap economics still dictate that he WILL NOT be cut before March 15. They’d be wasting $7.6M of cap space, however they choose to spread it.

Next year’s cap hit and dead money are irrelevant if he’s cut today. The contract ceases immediately, the remaining prorated signing bonus accelerates immediately (though it can be spread over two years by designating it a June 1 cut) and you back out this year’s cap hit (which you don’t incur since you cut him) in order to determine the net cap hit. Again, in this case it would be a net cap loss of $7.6M.

June 1st pro-ration doesn't work like that...... it doesn't split it 50-50

It only counts the Dead Money from the current year against the cap
All remaining years hit the next season....even if it is 3 to 1

And of course next year matters....... cap savings in the future are just as real as in the present
If a 17.2m cap hit becomes a 12.6m Dead Money hit that is still a 4.6m savings

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Using Gurley as a cautionary tale about Elliott is idiotic.

There is no way the Rams win like they did with some lump like Anderson as a sixteen game starter.

Anderson killed our defense mainly because we had a weak gameplan and some personnel issues.

Gurley got them where they ended up.

Using a rb who got paid big and now has to be managed is dumb to compare to our rb who we will pay big and have to manage?

Hey question when we won that meaningless game 17 why did Dak play the entire game but Zeke sat? Asking for a friend.

And pretending that Gurley is the only reason the Rams were good is kind of silly.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

June 1st pro-ration doesn't work like that...... it doesn't split it 50-50

It only counts the Dead Money from the current year against the cap
All remaining years hit the next season....even if it is 3 to 1

And of course next year matters....... cap savings in the future are just as real as in the present
If a 17.2m cap hit becomes a 12.6m Dead Money hit that is still a 4.6m savings

Again, you're right that it won't be a 50/50 split if he's designated a June 1 cut. The $16.8M acceleration of the bonus will hit the cap as follows: $4.2M cap charge in 2019 and $12.6M cap charge in 2020.

But again, that doesn't change the analysis directionally. Designating Gurley a June 1 cut would result in a $5M cap saving this year ($9.2M less the $4.2M cap charge) and a $12.6M charge next year. It still nets out at a $7.6M net cap loss over the two years.

It remains incorrect to look at next year's numbers. The $12.6M dead money hit they'll take next year relates to this year: the June 1 designation simply allows the team to defer that dead money hit for a year. You can't claim there is a cap savings next year because he would have been a $17.25M charge against the cap if he were on the roster on March 15, 2020. Once he's cut in 2019, the cap hit implied by his contract for all subsequent years becomes irrelevant. The contract terminates and the team takes a dead money hit equal to the amount of the remaining pro rated bonus (which they can choose to spread over two years by designating him a June 1 cut).

If next year's hypothetical cap charge matters after he is cut, why don't subsequent years? Why not claim a cap saving of $13.2M for 2021 (the cap hit had he been on the roster) or a cap saving of $14.2M for 2022?

 

[Macnalty]

This is not true. Zeke has faced a stacked box a league average amount of time..

Stop repeating an obvious untruth.

That has nothing to do with my point, the wr group is below average you get a group that keeps them honest and I think zeke is a major headache. You are wasting your energy on this theory.

 

[Risen Star]

I'd extend him today.

 

[boysfanperiod]

That’s including the 600 receiving yards but not the extra 4 TDS.


So 1300 yards 21 TDS in 14 games.
Not worth the money?

That's worth it! To have 21 TDs combined in rushing and passing. We only had 35 TDs last year as a team. So basically Gurley produced 60% of our TDs alone!

Anderson was insane as well. He's a very good backup and should be starting on a team. The Rams have it made at their RB position.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I'm tired of "Zeke is a generational talent" nonsense to be honest. He isn't even the best running back in the division.

And while I agree he's on a hall of fame trajectory that has as much or more to do with the team he was signed to as his own talent.

Is Zeke league leader in rushing if he's on the Jets and on a team that's constantly being blown out? Say what you will about pass blocking but we've been a do ant run blocking unit for years.

Frankly, he is not indespensable. He plays a position that is fungible. We've shown when he is out we run as effectively (actually more so when you look at the admittedly small sample size numbers). We know rushing efficiency is not correlated with winning. And to top it all off we know he's more likely than not to face injury right when he's on a monster contract. Also speaking of contracts he never even represented savings on his rookie deal like... EVERY OTHER POSITION...because he came in as a top 5 paid rb due to the in the toilet rb salary market (which is in the toilet be ause most organizations understand that rbs are cheap assets).

Why exactly does this board feel the need to go against all common sense for this player and position? Historical because of Smith's legacy? Is it because of fantasy football (no I'm serious... Cooper and Zeke have overwhelming support for big extensions while the more important Lawrence does not)?

Look neither of us have any influence over if (when) Zeke is signed. But we don't have to be idiots and close our eyes to self evident truths either.

I'd trade Zeke right now for a 3rd and the Cowboys would be better off for it.

Trade Zeke for a third.........LOL

Tell them we will pitch in LVE if they make it a second......LOL

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Trade Zeke for a third.........LOL

Tell them we will pitch in LVE if they make it a second......LOL

It's get a 3rd AND avoid giving Zeke the most guaranteed money in a deal in history.

That's a massive win.

 

[DIAF]

Never pay running backs.

Even Zeke.

A lot of guys are "durable" until they are not.

Zeke's got a LOT of miles on those legs already. Heck, just last year he led the NFL in carries by 40+ and also had 70+ receptions. Nearly 400 touches.

1003 touches in 40 reg season games played in the NFL for an average of 25 touches a game. That's crazy usage.

We can all agree, Zeke is a special back but right now we are getting the best of him and we shouldn't pay for what will likely be decline years of the late 20s. RB is the most replaceable position on the field. When his deal is up, we should let him walk and simply draft a replacement and use all of that money elsewhere at positions where it's harder to find elite caliber talent.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Trade Zeke for a third???


Trade Zeke for a Jourdan Lewis type player brehs

 

[BigCatMonaco]

Toruk_Makto said: ↑
This is not true. Zeke has faced a stacked box a league average amount of time..

Stop repeating an obvious untruth.



Except, wait for it.


He faced the highest percentage of stacked boxes in the league last year. On considerably more carries, meaning considerably more times, he faced the stack box.


It’s not fake news just because you don’t want to hear it.

 

[BigCatMonaco]

76 of his 304 carries came vs a minimum of an 8 man box.

Find one RB who faced more.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Zeke has been durable. Gurley hasn’t.

 

[TwentyOne]

I'm sure it'll be awesome.



*sticks fingers in ears*

So you want to pay him ?
Have fun!

 

[TwentyOne]

Gurley has a history of injury even dating back to Georgia, Zeke has been pretty much injury free. It is not the carries as much as it is mounting injuries that hurt careers at RB.

Who cares about a RBs career ?!

I need a RB for his 4 rookie years to produce at the highest rate. After that i will draft another one.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Running backs should get paid an rb salary AND a WR salary.

L. Bell is this you?

 

[Beast_from_East]

Who cares about a RBs career ?!

I need a RB for his 4 rookie years to produce at the highest rate. After that i will draft another one.

You don’t draft guys 4th overall for just 4 years.

That would be monumentaly stupid.

Top 5 guys are expected to be 10 yr cornerstone players for your franchise.