Can't wait to pay Zeke

[HungryLion]

When "use your highest pick in 2 decades pay top dollar every year and get 6 years from said player" is your argument.... Yikes.


When "we already made a bad decision why not make another" is your secondary argument.... Double yikes.

Again with the condescending attitude.

My posts prove that re-signing Zeke would NOT be a bad decision, and you’ve been unable to refute that with a valid argument, so you then resort to posts like the one you just made. Nowhere in my post did I say a poor decision justifies another poor decision, it proves you don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to high level RB production.

If you resign Zeke now. You can get possible another 5 years out of him at peak production, without much risk of long term cap problems down the line because by the time he is wearing down, you’ll be able to cut him. It’s actually lower risk to re-sign him now or next off-season, than to wait.

 

[HungryLion]

I’m gonna add Thomas Jones to the list of RB’s to play well past the age of 28. His workload wasn’t as high as his early years. But he was playing at a high level into his young 30’s. Admittedly, he was a late bloomer.

 

[Jake]

And though it isn’t much, zeke is over an entire year younger.

Zeke also has never torn an ACL. That same knee was giving Gurley problems late last season.

 

[Nightman]

I'm sure it'll be awesome.



*sticks fingers in ears*

A 5 year extension will pay Zeke less than going year to year for the next 3 years against the cap

But the team gets 3 team options with the extension since there will be no guaranteed money after year 3

Zeke gets 25m in gtds and the team gets control(at a high base salary) but an easy out if he falls off

 

[vlad]

Emmitt was a machine

 

[Rogerthat12]

I'm sure it'll be awesome.



*sticks fingers in ears*

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Again with the condescending attitude.

My posts prove that re-signing Zeke would NOT be a bad decision, and you’ve been unable to refute that with a valid argument, so you then resort to posts like the one you just made. Nowhere in my post did I say a poor decision justifies another poor decision, it proves you don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to high level RB production.

If you resign Zeke now. You can get possible another 5 years out of him at peak production, without much risk of long term cap problems down the line because by the time he is wearing down, you’ll be able to cut him. It’s actually lower risk to re-sign him now or next off-season, than to wait.

What do you mean I have been unable to refute why that's a bad idea?

Making Zeke the highest paid rb in history is a bad idea. Why?

Because we run effectively when he's gone?

Because he's more likely than most positions to get injured? Because paying top dollar for what you can get cheaply is bad?

Because we can cut him at 27 on a contract that takes him to 29 is stupid and unrealistic?

And to address your "if we sign him we can get 5 years of production with no cap problems" shows a misunderstanding of the cap. It's finite and carries forward. Every dollar that is paid to Zeke for production you can get cheaper literally I'd taken away from someone else.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

A 5 year extension will pay Zeke less than going year to year for the next 3 years against the cap

But the team gets 3 team options with the extension since there will be no guaranteed money after year 3

Zeke gets 25m in gtds and the team gets control(at a high base salary) but an easy out if he falls off

Gurley got $45M in guaranteed money. Stephen has already conceded that Gurley's deal will be the starting point for negotiations. A contract that pays $25M in guaranteed money is probably not realistic in the circumstances.

At any rate, we'd be taking a dead money hit of $10M for years 4 and 5 (likely $5M per year, assuming he became a June 1 cut), if we don't exercise our options past year 3. That should be factored into any analysis of whether the 5-year extension really would pay Zeke less than going year to year for the next 3 years. What we all care about is the cap charge. Pushing it off into future years (when you no longer have the player) isn't really saving you the cap charge. It's merely deferring the cap charge.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I get your point but Zeke is probably the most durable back I can remember in the last 15 years.

His bowling ball build is usually the type of build that keeps a player at his position on the field.

Gurley has that long lean frame that constantly has nagging injuries at that position.

Earl Campbell was a bowling ball too.

3 great seasons. 3 more still as the lead back, but not breaking 4ypc. Couple more seasons of meh.

Zeke plays more like Earl than Emmitt.

 

[Pompey-Cowboy]

Ride him into dust for 5 years then cut him loose and draft the next one.

 

[HungryLion]

What do you mean I have been unable to refute why that's a bad idea?

Making Zeke the highest paid rb in history is a bad idea. Why?

Because we run effectively when he's gone?

Because he's more likely than most positions to get injured? Because paying top dollar for what you can get cheaply is bad?

Because we can cut him at 27 on a contract that takes him to 29 is stupid and unrealistic?

And to address your "if we sign him we can get 5 years of production with no cap problems" shows a misunderstanding of the cap. It's finite and carries forward. Every dollar that is paid to Zeke for production you can get cheaper literally I'd taken away from someone else.

That’s all true if it were in fact “easy” to find RB’s as good as Zeke.

But since it isn’t easy, that makes your argument wrong.

Odd how the two Super Bowl teams from last season has running backs drafted in the first round.

But yes, it’s super “easy” to find top notch running backs.

And if you think our running without Zeke is as effective as with him, you clearly don’t watch the games or have any clue about how his presence impacts an opposing defense.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

To be faaaaiiiirrr....


Gurley did post 1300 yards and 17 TDS his first season after signing the new deal. While battling injuries.

Zeke had the same number of rushing TDs as Dak last year. 6 TDs is much different than 17

 

[Doomsday101]

There is a undeniable cumulative effect correlating to the workload of the position. Zeke may be as healthy as a horse, but I doubt he is going to average 300+ carries another four. It's not like a significant toll won't be taken between now and then.

the data of RB with big workloads if you bother to look it was injuries that took it toll. Emmitt Smith took on a big work load yet through out his career did not sustain many injuries on the flip side looking at other RB with big workloads it was a rash of injuries that took it toll. I don't think Dallas is over working Zeke and as long as he can avoid injuries I don't see him slowing down anytime soon.

 

[StuckMojo]

Zeke had the same number of rushing TDs as Dak last year. 6 TDs is much different than 17

Goff doesn't run the ball near the goal line. Once we get near the goal line with a chance to score Dak likes to keep the ball and use Zeke as a decoy. That takes away more TDs from Zeke. But as long as we score TDs I don't care who scores them, I just wish Dak would tuck it and run on other parts of the field instead of going backwards and taking sacks.

 

[Typhus]

I hope Zeke rakes em over the coals.
Hello, Im Zeke, Ima bad mo fo,, you guys, and the nfl have absolutely no clue on what Im about to lay down on your lame arse attempt to put a functional, more appropriate pay structure in place.
So Zeke,, go get your money

 

[Macnalty]

And he couldn't contribute late in the playoffs. He was worse than a back plucked off the street when the games mattered most.

When was the last time a premier pass rusher or DB had to have their "workload managed" in the prime of their career one year into a massive extension?

They sold out to stop Zeke, we could not take advantage of the passing game I guess it is easiest to just see Zeke as the issue. Your argument only works if you believe our passing game was nominal. I have watched cowboys backs since Dan Reeves, and Zeke stands near the top IMO.

 

[scottsp]

the data of RB with big workloads if you bother to look it was injuries that took it toll. Emmitt Smith took on a big work load yet through out his career did not sustain many injuries on the flip side looking at other RB with big workloads it was a rash of injuries that took it toll. I don't think Dallas is over working Zeke and as long as he can avoid injuries I don't see him slowing down anytime soon.

Except that imposing those workloads sort of lends itself to the dings that slow one's career. Not only that, but how many runners do you think have tallied multiple - let's say four seasons - of 300+ carries? Or better yet, how common is that trend in today's NFL? I would respond that only backs who meet this criteria in the past decade is Adrian Peterson and Thomas Jones - and Jones' run of heavy-burdened seasons ended in 2009.

The odds are better that Ezekiel downshifts into a managed load or pitch count early on into his new contract OR that injury or flat-out attrition takes it's toll. But the club will have committed itself to paying him as the top runner in the history of football based on current production.

So you can cite Emmitt Smith or Jerome Bettis as examples all you want. I will refer to trends that are more relevant in the league now.

 

[Doomsday101]

Except that imposing those workloads sort of lends itself to the dings that slow one's career. Not only that, but how many runners do you think have tallied multiple - let's say four seasons - of 300+ carries? Or better yet, how common is that trend in today's NFL? I would respond that only backs who meet this criteria in the past decade is Adrian Peterson and Thomas Jones - and Jones' run of heavy-burdened seasons ended in 2009.

The odds are better that Ezekiel downshifts into a managed load or pitch count early on into his new contract OR that injury or flat-out attrition takes it's toll. But the club will have committed itself to paying him as the top runner in the history of football - based on his current production.

So you can cite Emmitt Smith or Jerome Bettis as examples all you want. I will refer to trends that are more relevant in the league right now.

You are right the more he carries the more chances of injuries but it is the injury that has done in RB not the carries. These RB are not tiring down they have become injured Terrell Davis put up a 2,000 yard season in his 5th year in the league, he would produce over the next 3 season until he torn his MCL and ACL and that was what did him in, not the amount of carries he got. Most RB people throw out there saying he got 300 plus touches and that is why he wore out fail to say everyone of them suffered injuries that had more to do with it than anything.

 

[Verdict]

To me you sign Zeke now so you can walk away by the time he’s 28 if you want or need to
Or you let him play out
Signing a RB after his 5th year is a recipe for disaster

If you plan on keeping Zeke more than 5 years you would be better off paying him now than later for more than one reason.

 

[Verdict]

I think barring major injury Zeke's premium shelf life is about 7 years total. So if you want to extend him, do it now and have the contract end at the end of that 7 year window. Then you can reassess if he is Emmitt Smith and can go several more years or if you want to move on.

The smart move is to probably move on from him at that point, but time will tell.