Cap Implications if Dak is traded pre-June 1?

[Aerolithe_Lion]

He would have a $61m cap hit this year and a $36m cap hit next year.

It's out of the question, no matter how much some people want to pretend it's a legitimate option.

You’re getting pre- and post- June 1st added together

Cutting and trading have the same cap implications except for very specific instances with contract language. No matter when Dak is cut or traded this offseason, it’s a 60m$ cap hit for Dallas. You have the choice of taking it all this year and having him completely off the cap next year(pre-June 1st), or taking only 25m$ of it this year and then taking the other 35m$ in dead cap next year (post-June 1st).

Over the two year span there’s no difference, but for 2024 you can buy yourself some time by freeing up 35m$ in free agent money to go all in, but that means you can’t trade him for 2024 draft assets as June 1st is way after the draft. So it’s a double-edged sword either way.

 

[Whirlwin]

Every team wanting a decent vet QB at the helm has the same problem.

Its not some one off problem for Dallas Cowboys.

Obvious

 

[IceStar-D7]

In a way I hope Dak leaves so I can finally hear people whine about the next quarterback for the next 10 years

 

[Captain-Crash]

smh

Keep driving around in your car with that one balled tire until you wreck and total your car. "well, the tire was getting me where I wanted to go" Instead of just getting a new tire and continuing driving the car.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

You’re getting pre- and post- June 1st added together
.

Nope

 

[Hawkeye19]

Dreaming about trading Dak is a wasted mental exercise.

Too many cap implications
JJ and SJ love him

He is not going anywhere. And neither is this franchise.

Prepare for more disappointment

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Nope

There is no 2025 cap hit if you cut or trade him pre-June 1st. That’s against the rules of the cap

 

[MC8828]

Traded him. Take all 60m this year. Go 5-12 and start over in ‘25

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

There is no 2025 cap hit if you cut or trade him pre-June 1st. That’s against the rules of the cap

Nope.

If this was true, he'd have a cap hit of something like $96 million. You aren't just let off the hook for the remaining pro-rated bonus money in the void years.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Nope.

If this was true, he'd have a cap hit of something like $96 million. You aren't just let off the hook for the remaining pro-rated bonus money in the void years.

The remaining pro rated money all comes to 61m$ total. Whats happening is you’re seeing the 2025 number and adding it in addition to the 2024 number when it’s already in the 2024 number. When you cut a player everything in future years accelerates, so that 36m$ is in the 61m$ number.

 

[HanD]

Over the two year span there’s no difference, but for 2024 you can buy yourself some time by freeing up 35m$ in free agent money to go all in, but that means you can’t trade him for 2024 draft assets as June 1st is way after the draft. So it’s a double-edged sword either way.

wonder if you can do something like the nba teams. agree to trade, that team executes the pick for you and everyone is traded (and their rights) and finalized post june 1. you'd miss some OTAs in may though so less desirable since you can't work with your new team.

 

[HanD]

The remaining pro rated money all comes to 61m$ total. Whats happening is you’re seeing the 2025 number and adding it in addition to the 2024 number when it’s already in the 2024 number. When you cut a player everything in future years accelerates, so that 36m$ is in the 61m$ number.

yep. all you have to do is click the drop down button for trade, cut pre and post june 1 and you can see the numbers change on that link.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

wonder if you can do something like the nba teams. agree to trade, that team executes the pick for you and everyone is traded (and their rights) and finalized post june 1. you'd miss some OTAs in may though so less desirable since you can't work with your new team.

This has happened before, but not with the month long interlude. New York selected Philip Rivers knowing the Chargers wanted him, and that allowed them to trade for Eli Manning. But that was within minutes, not weeks.

All kinds of stuff could go wrong in that span that could jeopardize the future of both franchises. Let’s say it’s Las Vegas. They drafted Jalen Daniels because Dallas wants him. What if Dak has a change of heart and refuses to go to LV? Now LV is stuck with a premier asset QB they don’t want. Or what if in the month between the draft Las Vegas gets to know Daniels and decides they like him. They decline to pursue the trade. Dallas could have made an agreement with someone else before the draft if they knew LV didn’t want to do it, but they stuck with LV and now they’re boned out of 2024 assets.

Way too many human emotions involved for that to ever really work unless they could put it in stone pre-trade, but then that really isn’t much of a post-June 1st transaction if the league allowed that

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

The remaining pro rated money all comes to 61m$ total. Whats happening is you’re seeing the 2025 number and adding it in addition to the 2024 number when it’s already in the 2024 number. When you cut a player everything in future years accelerates, so that 36m$ is in the 61m$ number.

Ah.

Yea you're right

 

[diamonddelts]

Has anyone done the math on the cap implications on trading Dak pre-June 1? I’m not just talking about Dak. I mean how do the Cowboys absorb that cap hit and what would the Cowboys need to do to make the cap acceleration fit this year?

Not like he has a no trade clause or anything.

 

[Sandyf]

It is pretty simple math really. If they should want to cut Dak, they would only do it as a after June 1st designation but they wouldn't do that as the return would be no more than a 3rd round pick in 2025 comp. If they trade him to a team only with Dak approval due to language in his contract then we take the total $61 million cap hit in 2024, there is no provision in the NFL for a trade designated after June 1st so the cap hit is immediately.

Due to the language in his (Dak) contract, we could lower his cap number by some $25 million this year by converting his salary to mostly bonus pushing the money down the road so then he would be a free agent after 2024 and we get hit with the roughly $60 million hit in 2025 as immediate with no chance of a June 1st designation because he wouldn't be under contract. (Side note: If we did this then most likely knowing our luck, Dak takes us to the Super Bowl and Jerry then resigns him to a $70 million a year contract)

We could trade Dak to a team that wants him and frankly I only see that being a team like Atlanta who most likely hires Bill Belichick as coach. Why? Atlanta has the offense core to win now and a pretty good defense already in place. Bill wants 15 more wins to be the coach with the most in a career. Atlanta has crap for a QB and a rookie QB not named Williams, Maye, or Daniels isn't going to be available and none of those teams needing a QB or going to trade down for Atlanta to move up. Plus Bill does not want a rookie QB and he even said that he wants a team with a proven guy. Also, anyone who has watched him over the years, he wants a pocket passer so that would leave out a Justin Fields trade.

If Atlanta wanted Dak, Jerry would probably get, according to the experts and Vegas odds, 2024 1st and 2nd, 2025 1st and 3rd or possibly more. Sure they would have to rely on Trey Lance as the starter but could see that then have two 1st round picks in 2025 in which a good chance to move up and get a QB like Shedeur Sanders or Carson Beck or Quinn Ewers or a few others.

BUT Dallas would have to extend/restructure quite a few contracts like Steele, Lamb, Diggs, Martin, Lawrence and Parsons then cut as June 1st designation like Gallup, Cooks, LVE and Rush in order to have cap space to for 2024. Could it be done? Sure but would we?

I highly doubt we do anything but extend Dak, and extend Lamb with a new contract and probably Parsons, then restructure some guys pushing more money down the road. It is what we do.

 

[FanofJerry]

It is pretty simple math really. If they should want to cut Dak, they would only do it as a after June 1st designation but they wouldn't do that as the return would be no more than a 3rd round pick in 2025 comp. If they trade him to a team only with Dak approval due to language in his contract then we take the total $61 million cap hit in 2024, there is no provision in the NFL for a trade designated after June 1st so the cap hit is immediately.

Due to the language in his (Dak) contract, we could lower his cap number by some $25 million this year by converting his salary to mostly bonus pushing the money down the road so then he would be a free agent after 2024 and we get hit with the roughly $60 million hit in 2025 as immediate with no chance of a June 1st designation because he wouldn't be under contract. (Side note: If we did this then most likely knowing our luck, Dak takes us to the Super Bowl and Jerry then resigns him to a $70 million a year contract)

We could trade Dak to a team that wants him and frankly I only see that being a team like Atlanta who most likely hires Bill Belichick as coach. Why? Atlanta has the offense core to win now and a pretty good defense already in place. Bill wants 15 more wins to be the coach with the most in a career. Atlanta has crap for a QB and a rookie QB not named Williams, Maye, or Daniels isn't going to be available and none of those teams needing a QB or going to trade down for Atlanta to move up. Plus Bill does not want a rookie QB and he even said that he wants a team with a proven guy. Also, anyone who has watched him over the years, he wants a pocket passer so that would leave out a Justin Fields trade.

If Atlanta wanted Dak, Jerry would probably get, according to the experts and Vegas odds, 2024 1st and 2nd, 2025 1st and 3rd or possibly more. Sure they would have to rely on Trey Lance as the starter but could see that then have two 1st round picks in 2025 in which a good chance to move up and get a QB like Shedeur Sanders or Carson Beck or Quinn Ewers or a few others.

BUT Dallas would have to extend/restructure quite a few contracts like Steele, Lamb, Diggs, Martin, Lawrence and Parsons then cut as June 1st designation like Gallup, Cooks, LVE and Rush in order to have cap space to for 2024. Could it be done? Sure but would we?

I highly doubt we do anything but extend Dak, and extend Lamb with a new contract and probably Parsons, then restructure some guys pushing more money down the road. It is what we do.

Really says something that the Best Coach Ever wants a vet. Which means...Bill sees no problem with paying QB Market Rate for a vet.

Really goes against this whole boards thinking.

Pretty much proves that most posters would not last long as GM's. A few would get lucky being trail blazers...but would it be sustainable? Doubt it.

 

[HanD]

This has happened before, but not with the month long interlude. New York selected Philip Rivers knowing the Chargers wanted him, and that allowed them to trade for Eli Manning. But that was within minutes, not weeks.

All kinds of stuff could go wrong in that span that could jeopardize the future of both franchises. Let’s say it’s Las Vegas. They drafted Jalen Daniels because Dallas wants him. What if Dak has a change of heart and refuses to go to LV? Now LV is stuck with a premier asset QB they don’t want. Or what if in the month between the draft Las Vegas gets to know Daniels and decides they like him. They decline to pursue the trade. Dallas could have made an agreement with someone else before the draft if they knew LV didn’t want to do it, but they stuck with LV and now they’re boned out of 2024 assets.

Way too many human emotions involved for that to ever really work unless they could put it in stone pre-trade, but then that really isn’t much of a post-June 1st transaction if the league allowed that

well imo it'd be just like nba. it's an agreed upon trade and documented but not executed until a certain date. i'm not sure if that is allowable and maybe that's why we don't see it in the nfl.

 

[fivetwos]

There doesn’t appear to be a way around having to take a season or two to eat the dead money, and likely not be competitive on the field.

But TAKE your shot first at least. My goodness.

That ship may have already sailed, but it’s a shame that they refuse to understand that the way most teams go about things….ya know, the ones you’re competing against…is plan to win within open windows and don’t worry about the cap three years from now because you know you’ll be in a down/rebuild cycle regardless.

I believe they desperately want to win, but they refuse to do what’s necessary to get the over the top because they want to avoid a situation that’s not avoidable. Maddening.

It’s really the exact opposite approach that an 82-year old risk taker would take.

Tells us all we need to know about who runs things and that change is very unlikely even when the big man is gone.

 

[Creeper]

He would have a $61m cap hit this year and a $36m cap hit next year.

It's out of the question, no matter how much some people want to pretend it's a legitimate option.

We take $62 million in dead money in 2024. He is off the books in 2025. Basically it increases his CAP hit by $2.5 million in 2024 if they trade or cut him pre-June1.